50 years to the day

[dan_pdx]

I met a senior-ish Korean Army guy while doing an immersion course in Japanese. It was pretty stressful and one day he said "If I was in this bad a mood at home, I'd shoot the prisoners one by one!" He was kidding, maybe.

[RTsucks]

VC's gave us JD, so I get it. But I don’t understand being stressed out in japan what with the famous messages an' shit.

[highangle]

If JC c/p it from CND...it needs corroboration.

[MultiVerse]

Video has been released showing the IDF captain who said aid vehicles approached suspiciously lied about those vehicles not having emergency lights and were without headlights: "The military, which accuses Hamas of embedding itself in civilian infrastructure, had said the vehicles were without headlights, uncoordinated and transporting terrorists. Following the publication of the video, the IDF vowed to “thoroughly” investigate the incident."

The video shows firetrucks and ambulances stopping to check on vehicles on the side of the road presumably according to the IDF the uncoordinated vehicles with Hamas militant Mohammad Amin Ibrahim Shubaki. This, of course, does not absolve Israel from its responsibility to abide by the rules of war and international humanitarian law which includes not shooting at a convoy of ambulances and a fire truck driving down a road with their emergency lights flashing:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/video-...fired-on-them/

[RTsucks]

But October 7th and eggs. Besides, that video is old so it's got to be some sort of smear campaign to advance some terrorist agenda. If it's not live streamed without a teleprompter I refuse to believe it.

[MultiVerse]

Using the talking point "but October 7th" ignores the fact Hamas raped girls & women on October 7, American & Israeli hostages are still being held by Hamas, Hamas & Houthis et.al., are still firing rockets at Israel, Hamas still vows to destroy Israel & rule Gaza with an iron grip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_mVzyK36lA

[RTsucks]

No it doesn't.

[jono]

No it doesn't.

Fact. Polemia is bad enough without projecting it onto everyone else.

Is there any evidence that those ambulances had anything to do with an actual Hamas member from any source besides the people who clearly committed a war crime and tried to cover it up? (And not coincidentally also controlled the scene and all the bodies found there.)

[J. Barron DeJong]

So MV though that reports of 15 aid workers being killed was a Hamas hoax (even though it was reported by the UN, the Red Cross,and the Red Crescent). Anyway, turns out the current Israeli governent/IDF are bad, actually (which has been extremely fucking obvious to anyone with half a functioning brain for a very long time now):

Video obtained by @nytimes.com confirms the IDF fired on and killed clearly identified Red Crescent medics in Gaza. 15 were killed. Satellite pics analyzed by @ckoettl.bsky.social & @sanjanamv.bsky.social show the IDF then buried the medics andambulances. Story ? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/w...smid=url-share

“There is no God but God, Muhammad is his messenger,” the paramedic is heard saying. He asks God for forgiveness and says he knows he is going to die.

“Forgive me, mother. This is the path I chose — to help people,” he said. “Allahu akbar,” God is great, he says.


"The paramedic who filmed the video was later found with a bullet in his head in the mass grave."

https://bsky.app/profile/malachy.bsk.../3lm2qkylfnk2x

[MultiVerse]

Is there any evidence that those ambulances had anything to do with an actual Hamas member from any source besides the people who clearly committed a war crime and tried to cover it up? (And not coincidentally also controlled the scene and all the bodies found there.) .

Unlike Jono and Jong I actually watched the video. In the video two men in the lead vehicle jump out with assault rifles and start firing. After that you can hear what sounds like more Palestinians exchanging fire with the IDF infantry unit. This happened at early morning after the Hamas and Palestinian Jihad terrorist firefight that the ambulances rolled up on. So what you hear narrated in the video before the shooting starts is the aftermath of the actual Hamas fight. So while nothing justifies any subsequent IDF coverup over the mistaken killing of 14 Gazan aid workers, the audio & video shows armed Palestinians, dressed in black, driving to a location in ambulances then getting into a firefight. The IDF unit mistakenly thought the ambulances were more Hamas fighters coming to the aid the initial Hamas fighters

[MultiVerse]

It should also be noted that this was an IDF raid. This incident did not occur in an area under IDF control at the time. The IDF says it gathered the bodies together and covered them with netting leaving them out in the open, then reported their location to the UN. The UN was supposed to pick the bodies up but didn't for some reason. Days later after that, after the UN notification, the IDF came back to area and noted the bodies were still out in the open so they covered them up, buried them, and once again told the UN. That's why it looks like a mass grave. Then, a third time, the IDF told the UN where the bodies were located. Maybe that version of events is a lie. But now that there's an official investigation, if nothing else, whether or not the reported communication with the UN took place should be easily verified

[jono]

Unlike Jono and Jong I actually watched the video. In the video two men in the lead vehicle jump out with assault rifles and start firing. After that you can hear what sounds like more Palestinians exchanging fire with the IDF infantry unit. This happened at early morning after the Hamas and Palestinian Jihad terrorist firefight that the ambulances rolled up on. So what you hear narrated in the video before the shooting starts is the aftermath of the actual Hamas fight. So while nothing justifies any subsequent IDF coverup over the mistaken killing of 14 Gazan aid workers, the audio & video shows armed Palestinians, dressed in black, driving to a location in ambulances then getting into a firefight. The IDF unit mistakenly thought the ambulances were more Hamas fighters coming to the aid the initial Hamas fighters

Post a link. The videos I've seen linked here absolutely contradict your description and I'm at a loss as to how militants in the lead vehicle could have been edited out of what I watched. Attaching your description to this video reads like AI hallucinating. Again.

[MultiVerse]

Watch it again. The Hamas fighters are not edited out. At around the 24s mark pause it and look at the plain clothed (Hamas) Palestinians. They are holding rifles. It's easier to see with second following fighter, he's clearly holding a rifle vertically in one hand and drops to the ground when the shooting starts. Also, while most may not be able to differentiate, you can clearly hear incoming and outgoing rounds. The firefight lasts for about six minutes.

This isn't just the IDF shooting at unarmed medics. This is Hamas embedding itself among civilian rescue workers. What's more, one of the medics was wounded but survived. The IDF treated his wounds and let him go. He says it was dark and couldn't see what happened, only that he heard a lot of shooting. So how do those facts square with Jono's and Jong's belief that the IDF randomly shot at unarmed medics, zip tied the survivors, executed them, and then tried to cover it up? In that scenario, why would they help and then release a surviving witness?

[J. Barron DeJong]

Post a link. The videos I've seen linked here absolutely contradict your description and I'm at a loss as to how militants in the lead vehicle could have been edited out of what I watched. Attaching your description to this video reads like AI hallucinating. Again.

MV thinks seeing a shadow justifies killing 15 aid workers.

Like I said, anyone with half a brain...

[MultiVerse]

That's not a "shadow", that's a rifle. If I had a dollar for every brain Jong doesn't have, I'd have one dollar!

[jono]

I believe anyone who is willing to claim to know what someone else believes should be regarded as probably having too much ego where his analytical tools should be. But you're welcome to GFY if that's easier to understand.

Your apparent bias justifies asking for proof. How about a link? Links are easy. Which part of the screen at this 24s point you mention?

[MultiVerse]

Asking for proof? There are multiple links on this page. I posted a Times of Israel article with links. Jong posted a NYtimes article with an embedded video. The 24-second mark is from the lower video quality NYTimes article. There are links to longer videos on X in the other article. In the longer vid the Hamas fighters show up around the 1:10-second mark.

Also, you may not know this, Hamas is armed with black M-16 rifles that use the same caliber as the IDF. Here's an article with pictures so you can see what those types of rifles look like:

https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-c...article-722721

[summit]

'Hamas must have no role' in ruling Gaza, says Macron

[J. Barron DeJong]

'Hamas must have no role' in ruling Gaza, says Macron

And to achieve that I am going to...?

Everybody who wants anything good in the world wants Hamas to have no role in ruling Gaza. How is that going to be achieved is the big question.

[MultiVerse]

The big question for Israelis is whether to try and end the Hamas threat now or delay, leading to an even bloodier conflict later.

Before you go begging, why not untie the hands before hiding the bodies?

It appears to you that those weren't aid workers whose names were just released?

According to the initial reporting and also the IDF's initial statement there were eight Red Crescent medics in the responding vehicles. One of them survived and was released. According to Hamas, the remaining six were members of the Palestinian Civil Defense (an organization affiliated with Hamas), whereas the IDF said at the time they were Hamas fighters.

A subsequent recent initial IDF probe acknowledges the ambulances' lights were on, says that six of the dead are positively identified as Hamas fighters, the shooting did not take place at close range, the troops did not carry out any executions, and the IDF notified the UN of the burial location.

For their part, the armed factions in Gaza/UN should also release the report & audio for the incident response, (if) any communications to deconflict with the IDF, and the full length cell phone video found on one the medics. Those details are important because Hamas has a long history of using civilians & Ambulances for non-humanitarian military purposes.

[Cisco Kid]

Wait!! You mean war has rules where the bullets fly? How naive.

[jono]

And apparently medics can't be members of a force involved in the fighting. Better start adjusting the names on The Wall.

[Cisco Kid]

Wait!! You mean war has rules where the bullets fly? How naive.

[MultiVerse]

Perfidy and the use of ambulances is also a war crime. Ambulances are regularly used by Hamas to carry out attacks, transport militants, and also transport weapons.

[jono]

Assuming perfidy results in collective punishment, which is also a war crime. So it goes.