Airbag Thread

[muted reborn]

I couldn't find one - is there one?

If not - what's the best airbag out there that is big enough to fit avie gear, puffy jacket, first aid kit, etc?

[Stuntmonkey]

Theres a bag thread somewhere. I like the Mammut Pro 35. Avy gear pocket in the front, pull out helmet net, a-frame and diagonal straps for carrying skis. Light enough, doesn't chafe.

[summit]

Fan of my Scott Patrol 40 E1

[skis_the_trees]

I'm a fan of the capacitor bags, currently use an Osprey Soelden 32 for a good balance of size, weight, downhill performance. I also have an older Mammut canister bag and used the original Black Diamond battery bags. The Alpride capacitor system seems awesome for the weight/functionality. Luckily I have never had to deploy any in the field.

[tang]

Second on Scott 40 e1. Fan. Enough space - have minimalist hut tripped with it. Works well as a pack - hugs close.

[Blaster]

I have and like the mammut light 30, now tour 30. It’s light, carries well, and held up to a lot of use. About 27l of usable volume so on the smaller side. I’ll use a helmet sling if I’m also bring crampons or other bulky stuff. The outdoor gear lab review of airbag packs offers a pretty decent comparison of several models.

[ktoor]

i have the jetforce pro tour. bought for my wife for hut trips and makes me feels better that she has it. priority was having one with a battery so could do multiple pulls on one charge (have gotten up to 10). space isnt that great but helmet carry is decent, and i got it used with all the bag sizes so can be 15, 25 or 35 L (though -7/8L in each case for practical packability). so far been a fan though the break zipper thing can sometimes start to open while touring if not repacked well (easy to rezip in this case).

i still dont use it when im going out without her no matter conditions which is weird; i think thats mostly ego thing. i think to myself "it will be really dumb to get caught and have had an avy pack sitting in the gear room..."


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[doebedoe]

Fan of my Scott Patrol 40 E1

Also pretty happy with it after a couple of seasons. Have the 30L as well I swap to sometimes, but 40L is the better design.

New BCA E2 bag is pretty nice from handling and wearing for a day.

[PNWbrit]

i have the jetforce pro tour. bought for my wife for hut trips and makes me feels better that she has it. priority was having one with a battery so could do multiple pulls on one charge (have gotten up to 10). space isnt that great but helmet carry is decent, and i got it used with all the bag sizes so can be 15, 25 or 35 L (though -7/8L in each case for practical packability). so far been a fan though the break zipper thing can sometimes start to open while touring if not repacked well (easy to rezip in this case).

i still dont use it when im going out without her no matter conditions which is weird; i think thats mostly ego thing. i think to myself "it will be really dumb to get caught and have had an avy pack sitting in the gear room..."


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This answer confused me.

[ktoor]

This answer confused me.

its a good pack imo but my experience is limited (only a few tours).


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[cat in january]

I think it was your second paragraph that was confusing.

[bennymac]

I had the Mammut 35L pro - didn’t really like it from a pack usability standpoint and I found it heavy.

Switched to the Scott Patrol 40. Feels lighter. Better design. I still think it leaves me wanting in the usability department but I all airbags are gonna be a compromise with regards to interior space and access to that space in the field.

I’m planning on making some minor modifications this fall. I’ve no regrets as I think it’s probably the best if what’s available. The Arcteryx one will be interesting to see once it gets released and tested by early adopters.

[Shorty_J]

i have the jetforce pro tour. bought for my wife for hut trips and makes me feels better that she has it. priority was having one with a battery so could do multiple pulls on one charge (have gotten up to 10). space isnt that great but helmet carry is decent, and i got it used with all the bag sizes so can be 15, 25 or 35 L (though -7/8L in each case for practical packability). so far been a fan though the break zipper thing can sometimes start to open while touring if not repacked well (easy to rezip in this case).

i still dont use it when im going out without her no matter conditions which is weird; i think thats mostly ego thing. i think to myself "it will be really dumb to get caught and have had an avy pack sitting in the gear room..."


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The question that popped up to me is, why do you need 10 pulls on 1 charge?

Like... you take a ride, and then climb back up for 9 more rides before deciding it's not safe anymore, but mostly because your battery is dead?

Does not compute with my risk tolerance.

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[PNWbrit]

I think it was your second paragraph that was confusing.

The first one too.

[PNWbrit]

The question that popped up to me is, why do you need 10 pulls on 1 charge?

Like... you take a ride, and then climb back up for 9 more rides before deciding it's not safe anymore, but mostly because your battery is dead?

Does not compute with my risk tolerance.

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Yep.

[cat in january]

Kinda skimmed it, that first paragraph is a bit confusing too

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If I had to deploy my airbag I’d probably tuck tail and head home.


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[PNWbrit]

If I had to deploy my airbag I’d probably tuck tail and head home.

By the time you've needed to use an airbag in anger 10 times it's way beyond time to find a new hobby. Or in this case a new husband.

[summit]

Avoidable airbag failure to activates often come from users not being hard wired to pull and wait and miss the trigger or the opportunity. Gotta grab quick before you get pummeled.

Huge deal for fan bags is semi-regular practice pulls to build muscle memory, instinct, and zero hesitancy to activate. Biggest reason to have multiple activations is so that you are very disposed to pulling early rather than trying to be "sure" with a single use cannister. But 10 times... I figured that was at normal temps on a battery system so you'd have 3 or 4 pulls at stupid cold.

Trying to figure out a hypothetical for 4...

Maybe you clutz it and accidently activate.
Maybe you then actually use it.
Then maybe you are shaken up and accidently activate it again trying to get out.
Well you got one more just in case.

Capacitor E1 can do 3+ and is not affected by cold.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

^^so skiing terrain that you have no confidence in regarding your decision making?


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[PNWbrit]

Trying to figure out a hypothetical for 4...

I meant 10 times in a lifetime of skiing.

[summit]

^^so skiing terrain that you have no confidence in regarding your decision making?

Yea man. Totally exactly precisely what I was saying.

Just like your personal motto: Be confident! That way you don't need a beacon or an airbag!

Hey, maybe we could use all that battery juice in the BD pack to rig up an e-touring ski setup to get more laps in? It could power a tow rope!

[summit]

I meant 10 times in a lifetime of skiing.

Got it.

I think 10 slides and you are probably getting hurt even with a bag unless you are a pro-rider straight lining AK faces.

10 needed pulls? Well, there are riders out there who can afford that many new pairs of ski pants...

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yea man. Totally exactly precisely what I was saying.

Just like your personal motto: Be confident! That way you don't need a beacon or an airbag!

Hey, maybe we could use all that battery juice in the BD pack to rig up an e-touring ski setup to get more laps in? It could power a tow rope!

What did you mean?


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[summit]

What did you mean?


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I discussed the rationale to have an air bag capable of multiple activations without going to the store or paying a refill cost. The point being then people would be practiced and wouldn't delay activation out of unfamiliarity or hesitance over "using up" their one airbag deployment.

I then poked fun at the overkill of 10 activations on a charge and tried to come up with a reasonable hypothetical use case for 4, of which one would be a needed activation.

I struggle with how you reached your reply... I assume you used a million dollar invention like so?