Smith vs Oakley googles for pnw

[MarsB]

Oakleys must come inside for the night in the nw or the will be fog fucked the next day. You can't leave them in your car overnight .who cares if you can see ad long as you look core brah

Or set 'em on the dash for like 2 minutes with your windshield defogger blowing on high. C'mon, this is Skiing 101-level stuff.

[ExPowderSnob]

The Best google comes from the same manufacturer as your helmet...

ALso... 250 bucks for goggles?? WTF? Do the work? I'm very exothermic and sweat a lot while riding.... not $250 googles worth of sweatyness... but close..

[CHAIR_97]

Or set 'em on the dash for like 2 minutes with your windshield defogger blowing on high. C'mon, this is Skiing 101-level stuff.

You can't do that with oakleys, it forces the moisture between the lenses immediately and they are fucked for at least 12 hours.

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[east or bust]

The Best google comes from the same manufacturer as your helmet...

ALso... 250 bucks for goggles?? WTF? Do the work? I'm very exothermic and sweat a lot while riding.... not $250 googles worth of sweatyness... but close..

Shit has gotten out of control for sure. I wonder what the manufacturing costs are for the “flagship” models. I’d be shocked if it were more than $60.

[CHAIR_97]

Shit has gotten out of control for sure. I wonder what the manufacturing costs are for the “flagship” models. I’d be shocked if it were more than $60.

Can't be that high . When shops sell at cost they're around 80 bucks

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[jackattack]

Goggles are wear items. The foam degrades and the elastic stretches. Lens seals fail.

Go the cheap route or invest in the best and rotate the stock annually, buy in the spring and sell in the fall.

[wasatchback]

I have some Julbo Photochromic goggles, they stay dark out in winter temps even in low light conditions, so pretty much unusable a lot of the time. I bought these to use on storm days this season https://www.levelninesports.com/prod...-m-goggle-2022

Which Julbo goggles/lenses do you have? In my experience this has not been the case. The only time I’ve ever experienced this is with the 0-4 lens on a very cold day. Started skinning in full sun and was completely dark when headed down. Put the goggles inside my coat for 5 seconds and they instantly went clear. This wouldn’t happen with a 1-3 lens which is better for every day skiing anyways but the 0-4 is a different compound and is a bit slower when it’s below zero.

Not all Photochromic lenses are executed the same way. Drastic difference between how Julbo makes them and brands like Smith, Zeal, Glade, etc… they use cheap Polycarbonate lenses with a Photochromic film. The films degrade as soon as they’re applied, they can be rubbed/scratched off, they don’t have the ability to adapt to a wide range of light, they are more temperature sensitive,etc, and they take about 30 seconds to make. Julbo (and a few other manufacturers) use a different material (trivex, NXT) that is not only better optically than Polycabonate but it allows you to integrate the Photochromic tech into the lens when the lens is made (Each lens takes 6 hours to manufacture). It’s guaranteed for life, you can’t scratch it off, it’s less temperature sensitive, and you can make a lens that offers the full 0-4 VLT range. Not just 2-3 or 1-2, 3-4, etc.

[climberevan]

I have had the stay dark when it's cold (below freezing, but not frigid) phenomenon happen with 3 different Julbo sunglass models (new 0-4 & older Zebras) as well as Smiths. I would really like for photochromic lenses to work for winter, but IME they just don't.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Smith Squads for $50-60 bucks. They are notably better than the cheap Chinese goggles, but you aren't paying $$$$$ for the small improvement you get from high end face jewelry. And when you smash them or scratch them it's no big deal.

[Qilimanjaro]

Julbo photo chromic options are pretty awesome too…


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julbo aerospace is really good and it vents, so no fogging

[auvgeek]

I’ve also had issues with various Julbo photochromic lenses staying dark when it’s cold. If you live the mountains, an easy test is to just leave them in your car overnight in the case. If they’re dark in the AM, they’re affected by the cold.

[snakepirate]

Remember smith had a lifetime warranty too. My foam started to degrade and fall off on an old pair of phenoms and they sent me some new squads.


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[dunfree]

Shit has gotten out of control for sure. I wonder what the manufacturing costs are for the “flagship” models. I’d be shocked if it were more than $60.

think you missed a zero