2023 College Football Thread

[altacoup]

But every school that left is going to make more than that. Now the PAC4 who have minimal TV value, could’ve agreed to unequal distribution and that would’ve saved the PAC. But they said no and now OSU and WSU will be getting about 4 million in TV money.

[dunfree]

Did Floridaman create that meme? Do people think the PNW in winter is warm or something?

FWIW, ive played in all the conditions and by far the worst to play in was the nasty 39 degree rain games. The ball and field are slippery AF, everything is totally soaked and just miserable. Playing in snow is actually pretty fun because everything slows down, and the ball actually has some grip.

Also, it’s not like any of those Big10 teams actually practice outside in inclement weather- they all practice in indoor facilities because it’s more productive. And they also have have their roster coming from warm weather states.

Minnesota vs Iowa was 17F at kickoff last year, 1F with windchill. Things are different when everything is frozen.

[fatnslow]

Oof, apparently Pac10 chancellors tuned down a $30MM per school deal with ESPN last year.

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/top-st...e-its-collapse

The real sad thing is Oregon State was really turning the corner as a decent football program but the essential relegation will stop their progress in their tracks.

[BmillsSkier]

But every school that left is going to make more than that. Now the PAC4 who have minimal TV value, could’ve agreed to unequal distribution and that would’ve saved the PAC. But they said no and now OSU and WSU will be getting about 4 million in TV money.

Sure, but it wouldn’t it have been nicer to get $30MM a school and keep the PAC together?

Sounds to me like the PAC presidents got greedy and it bit em in the ass.

[phatty]

Confusing now with a 2nd PAC thread but let's tally up how many post WW2 Nattys the upcoming Big12/15 teams have combined.. I count ONE.

BYU 1984

[SumJongGuy]

BYU 1984

We got Baylor 1, BYU 1, CU 1. So I stand corrected..

Post WWII Big12 Football Nattys

[dunfree]

Sure, but it wouldn’t it have been nicer to get $30MM a school and keep the PAC together?

Sounds to me like the PAC presidents got greedy and it bit em in the ass.

covid put big holes in a bunch of budgets. If you are $20-30 million in the hole, $100million to play in the B1G is nice math for USC & UCLA

[SumJongGuy]

It's a pretty common belief that Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma because he didn't want to have to compete in the SEC. B1G's definitely more competitive than PAC was. He's run out of easier gigs to run away too hahahaha..

[SumJongGuy]

Sorry not sorry LOL.. And Dallas to Big12..

[The Reverend Floater]

It's a pretty common belief that Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma because he didn't want to have to recruit in the SEC. B1G's definitely more competitive in recruiting than PAC was. He's run out of easier gigs to run away too hahahaha..

FIFY

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[The Reverend Floater]

San Jose State hangs 21 on USC. How many points will Utah/Oregon/Washington/OSU put on the board against Lincoln Riley?

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[SumJongGuy]

San Jose State hangs 21 on USC. How many points will Utah/Oregon/Washington/OSU put on the board against Lincoln Riley?

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Oklahoma's defense sucked under LR

[This End Up]

Why can't the PAC-12 find a TV audience on the west coast? Have all the football (American football anyway) fans left the west coast?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...gnment/674930/

[Woodsy]

College sports as a whole will implode in the next 5-10 years where schools start eliminating a bunch of non revenue sports. Only thing left will be football, basketball and enough women's sports to offset the scholarship count of football to meet tital 9 requirements. Travel costs associated for non revenue teams/sports will cause serious financial issues rather quickly.

Disagree.
Go to a womans gymnastics meet in Utah or a wrestling match in Iowa or Penn State.

[fatnslow]

Disagree.
Go to a womans gymnastics meet in Utah or a wrestling match in Iowa or Penn State.

Take the total gate and divide by the number of schools there and estimate the travel costs of each program BEFORE they actually pay the staff.

This is slightly outdated from 2020 but numbers don't lie.


Institution Name Gymnasts Revenues Expenses Profits
Louisiana State University 15 $609,398 $3,308,030 -$2,698,632
University of Oklahoma-Norman Campus 18 $343,671 $2,971,978 -$2,628,307
Auburn University 21 $296,117 $2,449,418 -$2,153,301
University of Florida 16 $466,351 $2,509,306 -$2,042,955
University of California-Los Angeles 22 $1,305,225 $3,347,748 -$2,042,523
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 18 $273,267 $2,151,356 -$1,878,089
University of Utah 15 $893,606 $2,726,607 -$1,833,001
Stanford University 18 $162,029 $1,840,848 -$1,678,819
University of Arkansas 15 $370,671 $2,047,163 -$1,676,492
University of Kentucky 19 $297,482 $1,971,606 -$1,674,124
University of Iowa 20 $174,224 $1,760,781 -$1,586,557
The University of Alabama 17 $1,120,208 $2,688,481 -$1,568,273
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 19 $172,185 $1,659,754 -$1,487,569
University of Nebraska-Lincoln 18 $191,172 $1,652,432 -$1,461,260
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities 20 $56,321 $1,408,205 -$1,351,884
University of Washington-Seattle Campus 14 $598,030 $1,916,618 -$1,318,588
Ohio State University-Main Campus 18 $156,798 $1,443,724 -$1,286,926
Iowa State University 21 $227,898 $1,443,090 -$1,215,192
Arizona State University-Tempe 18 $198,742 $1,380,804 -$1,182,062
Michigan State University 18 $79,609 $1,159,112 -$1,079,503
University of California-Berkeley 18 $285,270 $1,364,019 -$1,078,749
University of Oregon 34 $137,275 $1,197,226 -$1,059,951
University of Maryland-College Park 14 $297,006 $1,337,786 -$1,040,780
University of Georgia 18 $1,507,302 $2,494,910 -$987,608
University of Arizona 17 $601,748 $1,529,805 -$928,05

[dunfree]

Sports are less than 2% of Stanfords budget. Get a fucking grip dude, the money at stake is peanuts to universities, and in sone cases the funds for the team don’t even come from the general fund. Football and basketball are gonna go somewhere else, but the others will somewhat stay because they get asses paying tuition. Fuck this place has way too many dads trying to get their kids (girls) into schools who don’t get how the sports work

without shit filler sports on the B1G/SEC networks that yes, sone people actually watch, you are left with a PPV sports model that is substantially different

[MarsB]

Disagree.
Go to a womans gymnastics meet in Utah..

Only when LSU & Livvy Dunne are in town.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/olivia...ng-tv-analyst/

[Woodsy]

Only when LSU & Livvy Dunne are in town.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/olivia...ng-tv-analyst/

Things must have changed as Red Rocks used to sell out the building on the reg 90- 2015

[The Reverend Floater]

Sports are less than 2% of Stanfords budget. Get a fucking grip dude, the money at stake is peanuts to universities, and in sone cases the funds for the team don’t even come from the general fund. Football and basketball are gonna go somewhere else, but the others will somewhat stay because they get asses paying tuition. Fuck this place has way too many dads trying to get their kids (girls) into schools who don’t get how the sports work

without shit filler sports on the B1G/SEC networks that yes, sone people actually watch, you are left with a PPV sports model that is substantially different

Tell that to all the state schools whose enrollment has skyrocket since football relevance. You think Alabama or Georgia are drawing folks from their academics alone?

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[lowsparkco]

Tell that to all the state schools whose enrollment has skyrocket since football relevance. You think Alabama or Georgia are drawing folks from their academics alone?

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Georgia and Alabama are very different academic environments. Not the same tier. Georgia has had very competitive admissions since 1995. Georgia had no problem fulfilling full enrollment and turning thousands of applicants away when the football team was awful. So, yes, Georgia’s academics alone are plenty of a draw.

The Board of Regents were aggressively expanding enrollment for the last 25 years at UGA and it coincided with success in football for the last two years. Not related, but interesting theory.

[lowsparkco]

I think college football should have been a minor league professional sport for thirty or forty years, it’s finally happening organically with the portal and NIL money. Basketball is kinda moot with the 1 and done environment and G League. It will always be a little different because a 17 year old can feasibly compete in the NBA. Not so much in the NFL.

Ironically, the College Football playoffs probably sped up the transition. All of the inaccuracy in naming a National Champion probably increased interest.

[Timberridge]

Georgia and Alabama are very different academic environments. Not the same tier. Georgia has had very competitive admissions since 1995. Georgia had no problem fulfilling full enrollment and turning thousands of applicants away when the football team was awful. So, yes, Georgia’s academics alone are plenty of a draw.

The Board of Regents were aggressively expanding enrollment for the last 25 years at UGA and it coincided with success in football for the last two years. Not related, but interesting theory.

There has been a significant uptick of kids from NY/NJ applying to SEC schools in the last decade or so. I don't know if football is the only reason (weather or the common app might be others) but I do think it's a factor. Walk onto an SEC campus and with the $$ football brings in (win or lose) you'll see beautiful new facilities and buildings that lesser sports schools can't compete with. This is attractive to kids.

[SumJongGuy]

I think college football should have been a minor league professional sport for thirty or forty years, it’s finally happening organically with the portal and NIL money. Basketball is kinda moot with the 1 and done environment and G League. It will always be a little different because a 17 year old can feasibly compete in the NBA. Not so much in the NFL.

Ironically, the College Football playoffs probably sped up the transition. All of the inaccuracy in naming a National Champion probably increased interest.

Naw, without the alumni and especially student support it's just another USFL/XFL failure. Jeanie's out of the bottle but I would have preferred it be pushed back to stricter "amateur" requirements. It's more important for these kids to graduate (with a legit EARNED degree) than it is for them to get drafted in to the NFL. It's more important to me that we have a clean program than it is to get a new Nattty shirt to wear to work mid January and rub it in to the other fans..

But, I'm sure I'm in the minority on both those positions.

[dunfree]

Tell that to all the state schools whose enrollment has skyrocket since football relevance. You think Alabama or Georgia are drawing folks from their academics alone?

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Tell them what? They both know their plans for expansion and skyrocketing enrollment began well before their football programs were winning championships again. However big the draw of those programs are for non participants are <10% of NCAA athletes play D1 football or basketball.

[Woodsy]

Sorry to break it to you gents but " college" football is a scam and has been for years.

They prey on your pleasant memories, ecout rhe kids and make a lot of old white dudes rich.

Find another passion