Wildfire 2023

[XXX-er]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ysis-1.6944412

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...swap-1.6946420

"They make everybody look like a bunch of bad people. They're not stealing that shit. They're using it," said Avery Shoaf, a Shuswap resident and host of the TV show Rust Valley Restorers.

locals messing with the firefighters, throing garbage at FFers, stealing FF gear, defying evac orders and genraly acting like dick heads

I believe they are leftover Fuck Trudeau freedumb types

they had to withdraw FFers becuz of these jokers

" The convoy of truth & freedom" is the name coming up on the radio

[bennymac]

deplorable behavior from deplorable people

[oldnew_guy]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ysis-1.6944412

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...swap-1.6946420

"They make everybody look like a bunch of bad people. They're not stealing that shit. They're using it," said Avery Shoaf, a Shuswap resident and host of the TV show Rust Valley Restorers.

locals messing with the firefighters, throing garbage at FFers, stealing FF gear, defying evac orders and genraly acting like dick heads

I believe they are leftover Fuck Trudeau freedumb types

they had to withdraw FFers becuz of these jokers

" The convoy of truth & freedom" is the name coming up on the radio

We had a really good example of how to actually put these people to work down in the US.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020...tts-mills.html

Much better to organize and put people to work if you can. We were trained back in the day that if you couldn't get them to leave to point them at some relatively safe task and assign someone with a radio.

[XXX-er]

you got the RCMP, local property owners , the convoy of truth and freedom AKA the fuck Trudeau people, a whole shwack of voly town structure FFers and wildland FF'ers all on really short notice

[BCMtnHound]

I do wonder why all these ‘qualified’ and ‘trained’ members of the public didn’t become part of the local voly firefighter dept before the fires began. Would have solved a lot of the organizational and resourcing aspects they are faced with now. But as usual, during peacetime no one wants to join up and contribute. Then when the shit hits the fan, this kind of shitstorm results. Lots of various community wildfire forums have been going on since 2017 as well. Why were they not at those tables influencing the conversation and resourcing.

[oldnew_guy]

I do wonder why all these ‘qualified’ and ‘trained’ members of the public didn’t become part of the local voly firefighter dept before the fires began. Would have solved a lot of the organizational and resourcing aspects they are faced with now. But as usual, during peacetime no one wants to join up and contribute. Then when the shit hits the fan, this kind of shitstorm results. Lots of various community wildfire forums have been going on since 2017 as well. Why were they not at those tables influencing the conversation and resourcing.

We all know why, and it's the same story down here when the ranchers/farmers show up with their bulldozer or whatever. You can spend time arguing with them or assign them something safe and marginally productive that makes them feel validated so you can do your job.

"Why aren't you guys doing anything!" "Well, our D6 is about to show up so there isn't much point digging line right now but if you want to start digging over there with your shovel have at it."

*10 mins later the D6 blows by ....*

[XXX-er]

I do wonder why all these ‘qualified’ and ‘trained’ members of the public didn’t become part of the local voly firefighter dept before the fires began. Would have solved a lot of the organizational and resourcing aspects they are faced with now. But as usual, during peacetime no one wants to join up and contribute. Then when the shit hits the fan, this kind of shitstorm results. Lots of various community wildfire forums have been going on since 2017 as well. Why were they not at those tables influencing the conversation and resourcing.

yeah people phone in on the CBC noon show who say the BCWF and the fire depts are all fucked and they could do it cuz they had training

Ya when and so how old are you ... uh 60

so lets steal eqiupment and threaten people on the fire which is something very new

this artical where they were hoping to overwhelm RCMP is beyond fucked up

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...anagan-regions

[BCMtnHound]

70% of municipal firefighters in Canada are volunteer, and the rates of recruitment to replace retiring members are declining.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/climate/volu...ting-1.6947097

Kudos to folks like LHutz Esq for their contribution and dedication.

[Meadow Skipper]

Evacuations in Louisiana. I don’t remember hearing about those kind of fires there before.
https://apnews.com/article/louisiana...48b7108ac2c3ed

Usually during this time of year, the Deep South state is addressing threats of imminent hurricanes, tropical storms and flooding. But this summer Louisiana has been plagued by record-breaking heat and extreme drought, which have made the wildfire risk unusually high. This month alone, there have been 441 wildfires in the state.

“This is unprecedented. We’ve never had to fight this many fires simultaneously and at this duration. We’re fighting between 25 and 30 (wildfires) today,” Mike Strain, the commissioner for Louisiana’s Department of Agriculture and Forestry, said during a news conference Friday.

[TBS]

yeah people phone in on the CBC noon show who say the BCWF and the fire depts are all fucked and they could do it cuz they had training

Ya when and so how old are you ... uh 60

so lets steal eqiupment and threaten people on the fire which is something very new

this artical where they were hoping to overwhelm RCMP is beyond fucked up

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...anagan-regions

And I thought this was only a USA phenomenon…
Does Fox News broadcast in BC?

And has anyone heard from el hefe? There were evacs in Vernon

[TBS]

Closer to home, the Lookout fire 30 air miles from me is now 16000 acres.

The west flank is seeing containment as it runs into the east flank of the Holiday Farms fire in 2020 where 140k acres burned in three days

Things may get real on the east side. The fire line on Deer Creek Road is under pressure. Beyond that a couple of miles is a hydropower plant. The lines are inactive at present but the equipment loss would be expensive.

This comment about UAVs is interesting

UAS (Unmanned Aerial Systems) or drones are flying through the smoke to provide Infrared imaging to locate additional threats to control lines. Drones are also supporting firing operations, especially in areas that are difficult to reach on foot.

[The AD]

And I thought this was only a USA phenomenon…
Does Fox News broadcast in BC?

My wife told me she was reading about B.C. fires on Reddit and there were numerous comments saying that the government started the fires to promote their climate change myth, so yeah, there are dumbfucks everywhere.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Closer to home, the Lookout fire 30 air miles from me is now 16000 acres.

The west flank is seeing containment as it runs into the east flank of the Holiday Farms fire in 2020 where 140k acres burned in three days

Things may get real on the east side. The fire line on Deer Creek Road is under pressure. Beyond that a couple of miles is a hydropower plant. The lines are inactive at present but the equipment loss would be expensive.

This comment about UAVs is interesting

I seem to recall hearing they use drones dropping basically gas filled ping pong balls to do firing operations in areas that are inaccessible.

[Bunion 2020]

Actually ping pong balls with Potassium Permanganate and then injected with anti freeze just before they get dropped.

[oldnew_guy]

Closer to home, the Lookout fire 30 air miles from me is now 16000 acres.

The west flank is seeing containment as it runs into the east flank of the Holiday Farms fire in 2020 where 140k acres burned in three days

Things may get real on the east side. The fire line on Deer Creek Road is under pressure. Beyond that a couple of miles is a hydropower plant. The lines are inactive at present but the equipment loss would be expensive.

This comment about UAVs is interesting

Lucky for you they have a few new large fires to the SW (Umpqua) of you so with that nice SW flow we usually get you'll be sitting in smoke for sure.


UAV ignitions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFUzXB2c8g

Replaces/complements a helicopter with three people doing the same thing at low altitude.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Actually ping pong balls with Potassium Permanganate and then injected with anti freeze just before they get dropped.

Couldn’t think of how they were igniting the gas in my recollection, so that makes more sense.

[PB]

So .... improvised cluster bombs????

[TBS]

Lucky for you they have a few new large fires to the SW (Umpqua) of you so with that nice SW flow we usually get you'll be sitting in smoke for sure.


UAV ignitions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFUzXB2c8g

Replaces/complements a helicopter with three people doing the same thing at low altitude.

Yeahhh, thanks for that weather update…something like 1600 lightning strikes across the state Thursday. Besides the ones you mentioned theres a bunch of new ignitions on west side of three sisters Wilderness. Wish you guys on the wet side of the hill would do a better job of raking the forest. I see smoke levels higher right now in the valley vs here

At least it’s reasonable now (AQI = 60-80) and there’s rain in the forecast. Until Thursday, I was able to ride my MTB a total of three days in the last 30, and I had to turn around early on one due to smoke.

And yeah, they used helicopters to drop dragons eggs on Millie fire, but using UAVs was new to me. Very cool innovation. Can operate when helos can’t, way cheaper and way safer.

[TBS]

Current fire situation from OR to NorCal
The gray areas on the map are fires within last five years


Sent this AM by Shralpmachio

8-26 WILLAMETTE NATIONAL FOREST FIRE
UPDATE 10:45 AM
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The lightning that passed through Oregon the night of the 24th, left a mark on the Willamette National Forest. New reports of smoke continue to be called in and resources are being assigned as they become available
The region is feeling a shortage of resources, and these new fires are being staffed based on the values that are at risk and the potential for growth.
Those fires with communities, homes and other private property nearby are receiving resources first. The Lookout Fire, which has taken the Horse Creek Fire and one other, continues to have priority for available resources as well as the Bedrock Fire.

Lightning caused fires:
The Windy Pass Fire, 3,5 miles due east of Tire Mountain is 50% lined. There are two crews and one engine on scene and lines put in yesterday are holding and the crews will finish lining it today.

The Pothole Fire, about 6 miles southeast of McKenzie Bridge, is 50 acres. There are 2 crews, 2 engines and a water tender on it and a Type 3 IC has been requested.
The Warner Fire, ½ mile east of Warner Mountain Lookout, is 100% lined and secure. Mop up continues.

The Staley & Little Dome Fires, on the Middle Fork northeast of the Boulder Creek Wilderness, are staffed today with engines from the Middle Fork. In addition, jumpers were dropped last night and are hiking into the fires to assess needs today.

Fire 407 is in the 3 Sisters Wilderness and remains unstaffed.
Fire 409, 4.25 miles from the 3 Sisters Wilderness, is reported at 10 to 15 acres in timber and showing moderate rates of spread. Jumpers were delivered late last night and will assess the fire today.

Fires 410 and 411, also west of the 3 sisters Wilderness could not be located.

Fire 422, west of Horse Mountain and the 3 Sisters Wilderness, has jumpers enroute.

[yeahman]

My wife told me she was reading about B.C. fires on Reddit and there were numerous comments saying that the government started the fires to promote their climate change myth, so yeah, there are dumbfucks everywhere.

The government wouldn't do that but I certainly wouldn't rule out the monkeywrench gang.

[Clownshoe]

September 29 @1000.

A lightning storm passed through the Vancouver/Squamish/Whistler/Pemberton area overnight.

1 new spot fire on Whistler Mountain in the Symphony Chair area, and 3 new fires north of Pemberton.

[BCMtnHound]

Watching that front carefully here. Precip keeps being downgraded and lightening potentials increasing. Not real thrilled with that forecast.

Hope those spots up the Birken and the meadows don’t become something serious. I’ve got operations impacted by both the Casper and Downton Lk fires, and wife has friends at Tyaughton Lk under evac order. So far family and friends impacted by the Shuswap and Kelowna fires haven’t lost any homes, but the total numbers are still being tallied for those that have.

At least we seem to be getting a bit of overnight recovery now. Previous years I could rely on waking up to a couple cm of snow on the tent above tree line sometime over the Labour Day weekend. But the fire season is far from over down at valley bottom.

[Clownshoe]

It came through Whistler with a brief period of heavy rain, but it only totalled 2 mm on the Whistler Mtn rain gauge. Lots of lightning.

[bodywhomper]

I’ve been reading a bit and watching the maps of the SRF Lightning Complex fire in Del Norte Co, CA. Last weekend, they began a large firing operation from ridge lines using UAVs, basically large (landscape level) backing low severity rx burns as part of their management/suppression strategy. Not sure this has been done in CA in a long time. I think they’re getting through a lot of red tape by doing this under the umbrella of their emergency operations. And they have the people, equipment, and $$ resources available to get it done.

Here’s the watch duty post right before they lit it off.
“Conditions are looking favorable to use Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS) for strategic firing operations on the top of several ridges in the interior area between the Mosquito and Bluff #1 Fires. This strategic firing would reintroduce lighter intensity ground fire into the ecosystem as well as reduce the amounts of available fuels which otherwise have the potential to create higher intensity fires in the future. These ridges are within the established control lines that have been improved and secured with recent firing operations”

[Meadow Skipper]

^Good for them…as long as it doesn’t get away. But they’re kind of a long ways from anywhere - lower risk.