Anyone have a kid skip a grade?

[MarcusBrody]

This is helpful, thank you.

Also, I believe your changed your Avatar which is two demerits.

I don't think I did? Is it not still the dapper cheetah with the eye patch? You might have confused mine with something more striking. Ha

[schuss]

In this situation - sounds fine. My son is an August birthday and a lot of the parents hold back their kids here to give them advantages later, so he was barely 5 in a class of half 6 year olds. He sometimes struggles emotionally, but academically is totally fine.

[riser4]

I understand the frustration with the extra steps on things you can do other ways, but I do believe in it. It's pretty akin to how most people who are good at mental math do it and there is a body of research that suggests it leads to a better understanding of what's going on down the line.

I sometimes teach college math classes and both the mental math and the ability to break things and recombine them are good to start learning from the get go.

Fine teach both. They both have their useful applications. And when a kid gets it, let the kid move on, don't take years out of his life going over the same thing. How many years do they need to draw out carrots and peas??? That's how kids get bored. I don't have a problem with mental math. It's the eclusivity. And it's the insistence on using a MENTAL technique on paper. WTAF? The execution in our school sucked.

[The Reverend Floater]

I don't think I did? Is it not still the dapper cheetah with the eye patch? You might have confused mine with something more striking. Ha

My bad. I'm on the lookout for rogues.

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[Mazderati]

On early mathematics, I think it was 60 Minutes that had an episode on how children instinctually add and subtract much differently than what is generally taught and what we know as adults; essentially unlearning to relearn different - perhaps no better- processes. Fascinating piece but can't seem to find it.

[subtle plague]

So whose kids had to do severeal Grades twice and turned out to be high school drop outs, strippers and rappers?

[Atrain505]

There is a revisionist history podcast episode that is pretty much about this exact topic. Season 7 episode 7. Outliers revisited. Worth a listen for any parents considering their kids skip a grade. Basically he argues not to do it. But takes it further about the month of the year you were born for everything from athletics to school to jobs. The conclusion is that kids who are slightly older even by mere months have every advantage and succeed more often at every stage of life. Food for thought. I maybe mis remembering. Been a while since I heard it.


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[Rapleflug]

I would tend to agree that it's not a great idea. I think it could create social issues due to the difference in age, athletics as was mentioned, and other things like dating. If your kid is really bright, there's usually some advanced classes or program you could put them in to challenge them more anyway. School can be tough enough for a lot of kids with any additional social pressure.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

So whose kids had to do severeal Grades twice and turned out to be high school drop outs, strippers and rappers?

Do you want details or are you just being snarky?

[MarcusBrody]

There is a revisionist history podcast episode that is pretty much about this exact topic. Season 7 episode 7. Outliers revisited. Worth a listen for any parents considering their kids skip a grade. Basically he argues not to do it. But takes it further about the month of the year you were born for everything from athletics to school to jobs. The conclusion is that kids who are slightly older even by mere months have every advantage and succeed more often at every stage of life. Food for thought. I maybe mis remembering. Been a while since I heard it.


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The academic research on schooling shows very weak evidence for age effects. It mostly looks at age of entry rather than grade skipping as there are more observations and more opportunities for quasi experiments (e.g. students falling just before/after the cutoff). They find relatively few effects at all and almost none after the first few years of elementary school.

Sports is a totally different story.

[Adolf Allerbush]

There is a revisionist history podcast episode that is pretty much about this exact topic. Season 7 episode 7. Outliers revisited. Worth a listen for any parents considering their kids skip a grade. Basically he argues not to do it. But takes it further about the month of the year you were born for everything from athletics to school to jobs. The conclusion is that kids who are slightly older even by mere months have every advantage and succeed more often at every stage of life. Food for thought. I maybe mis remembering. Been a while since I heard it.


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This one from Freakonomics sort of touches on this subject but I do remember the pod you're talking about as well. It may have been one of those episodes where he does a summary of a bunch of topics at the end of the year...but I can't find it: https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the...-later-replay/

[subtle plague]

Do you want details or are you just being snarky?

Actually.....I'd like to hear the story if it'snot too depressing and still kind of fun. Im not here to thrive on people's misery. Rapper would be great [emoji3]

Still wondering how my little ones are going to turn out. The oldest will get into 1st grade this Fall.

[skinipenem]

There is a revisionist history podcast episode that is pretty much about this exact topic. Season 7 episode 7. Outliers revisited. Worth a listen for any parents considering their kids skip a grade. Basically he argues not to do it. But takes it further about the month of the year you were born for everything from athletics to school to jobs. The conclusion is that kids who are slightly older even by mere months have every advantage and succeed more often at every stage of life. Food for thought. I maybe mis remembering. Been a while since I heard it.


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Surprised this is the first time the economist Malcolm Gladwell was mentioned, yet not by name, in this thread. Or I am completely unsurprised that I missed it earlier given my stripper career.

Outliers is an excellent read. The chapter about the NHL and birthdays makes a strong argument for holding kids back for sports success. I think he extrapolated the data for academics, but I don't remember. I read the book years ago.

One is judged against their peers in school. Extracurricular activities exist. Where i grew up, the game was to have your kid be one of the older ones in the class. Take it how you will.

However, as a very successful male bod stripper, what the hell do I know.

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[Obstruction]

One of mine skipped a good part of junior year of high school but still managed to graduate the following year. Go figure.

[HobieTony]

As a data point on the other side, my parents thought I showed signs of genius and started me in kindergarten at age 4 - October baby, could have gone early or late. I spent all my school years being smaller and less mature than my peers, probably a bit smarter than my peers, but that doesnt really help a kid in school. Still didnt have hair on my balls when I graduated high school. Late bloomer, started early, not a good combo. So, yeah, wait a bit.

On the good side, all those fuckers are old and fat now. I'm slightly less old and not fat. So I've got that. Fuckers.

[Cono Este]

We used to skip a 1/2 grade, forward or back, moving south of the equator.

[DBdude]

This thread has been absolutely fantastic. Thank you all. I'll keep you updated.Yes, we already have done some stuff in the past, as she truly enjoys it. She was doing basic multiplication and division and also knows her orders of operation. Nothing crazy but math is pretty easy for her, generally speaking.

What I've learned since starting this thread is that they have specific processes to do math. My daughter can do the actual problem in her sleep but she doesn't know the processes they are using and is frustrated. Here's an example called the "benchmark strategy". She can do the problem with no issues but isn't familiar with the processes they use. So now I have to learn all these so called tools just to get her where she already is.







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That would be difficult in a language you weren’t conversant in

I was able to understand the new math because it really isn’t new math

It’s just a different way of using the basic laws of math in techniques

My kids got it each way but I used to shake my head because it seemed a way in some instances to get the right answer through a trick versus understanding

That said my kids were introduced to sets and tables much before I was and I found that interesting because a program a set driven programming language

The truly depressing thing is that teachers here in VT and I am sure else where are of the opinion that the early gifted should stay with there class and they will quickly revert to the mean

My boys were gifted in math and the oldest was allowed to skip a year in math which was a good call

I am glad he stayed with his class

His senior year he took calc one and two at university and the rest of his classes in high school


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[Adolf Allerbush]

Surprised this is the first time the economist Malcolm Gladwell was mentioned, yet not by name, in this thread. Or I am completely unsurprised that I missed it earlier given my stripper career.

Outliers is an excellent read. The chapter about the NHL and birthdays makes a strong argument for holding kids back for sports success. I think he extrapolated the data for academics, but I don't remember. I read the book years ago.

One is judged against their peers in school. Extracurricular activities exist. Where i grew up, the game was to have your kid be one of the older ones in the class. Take it how you will.

However, as a very successful male bod stripper, what the hell do I know.

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If we're talking sports there's the other extreme that I see a lot of lately around my parts...that's parents red shirting their kids. It's insane if you ask me. My oldest is on the older end of his class with a fall birthday...there are kids 6-10 months older than him in his class. for sports like baseball it doesn't help because it's based on your age (age as of May 1 each year, why that date who knows)...but other sports, hoops for example, some big dudes he goes up against. It's no shock because they're about a year older than him yet playing in his grade. then there have been a couple instances of kids basically 2 years older but in his grade playing against them.

It's one thing to build character but another thing to be setting up flat out unfair situations...life's not fair, I know. I guess the idea is that by the time HS rolls around they have established themselves as the premier athletes and they just make teams by default?

[schuss]

Our district is like that too. My son is in the 90s height percentile wise and has consistently been one of the shortest because most of the boys are a year or so older.

[riser4]

That would be difficult in a language you weren’t conversant in

I was able to understand the new math because it really isn’t new math

It’s just a different way of using the basic laws of math in techniques

My kids got it each way but I used to shake my head because it seemed a way in some instances to get the right answer through a trick versus understanding

That said my kids were introduced to sets and tables much before I was and I found that interesting because a program a set driven programming language

The truly depressing thing is that teachers here in VT and I am sure else where are of the opinion that the early gifted should stay with there class and they will quickly revert to the mean

My boys were gifted in math and the oldest was allowed to skip a year in math which was a good call

I am glad he stayed with his class

His senior year he took calc one and two at university and the rest of his classes in high school


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Ya, the pushback in VT against "early gifted". It's fucked up Closing the achievement gap in VT means bringing down the folks at the top of the ability range as much or more than bringing up the scores of those at the bottom. You are doubly fuct if you are "gifted" in math because the new new math curriculum taught in VT seems designed specifically to keep people from getting ahead of their peers. That's why I don't like it. I don't have anything against learning sets as, key word here, part of a well rounded approach to math. We probably wouldn't have skipped a grade with thing #2 if they could have given him harder math. Thing #3 had different teachers and they allowed him to do math a year ahead and somewhat under the radar from the principal when he got to 7th grade. He, unlike #2, was content until then.

Both thing #2 and #3 ended up with AP Calc A/B as a Jr. In HS. Commuting to Burlington was not really on the table especially because they both did after school activities. #2 took online AP Calc B/C his Sr year. #3 is taking AP stats. [#2 took stats at St Mike's the summer between 8th and 9th because he won a free class due to high early SAT scores. #2 is the one that skipped a grade.]

[Timberridge]

On the flip side being from VT does help your college admission success vs. being from a more populated state.

[Bunion 2020]

So whose kids had to do several Grades twice and turned out to be high school drop outs, strippers and rappers or ski industry professionals

Raises hand.Not the kids, me.

[DBdude]

Ya, the pushback in VT against "early gifted". It's fucked up Closing the achievement gap in VT means bringing down the folks at the top of the ability range as much or more than bringing up the scores of those at the bottom. You are doubly fuct if you are "gifted" in math because the new new math curriculum taught in VT seems designed specifically to keep people from getting ahead of their peers. That's why I don't like it. I don't have anything against learning sets as, key word here, part of a well rounded approach to math. We probably wouldn't have skipped a grade with thing #2 if they could have given him harder math. Thing #3 had different teachers and they allowed him to do math a year ahead and somewhat under the radar from the principal when he got to 7th grade. He, unlike #2, was content until then.

Both thing #2 and #3 ended up with AP Calc A/B as a Jr. In HS. Commuting to Burlington was not really on the table especially because they both did after school activities. #2 took online AP Calc B/C his Sr year. #3 is taking AP stats. [#2 took stats at St Mike's the summer between 8th and 9th because he won a free class due to high early SAT scores. #2 is the one that skipped a grade.]

I was told by a guidance counselor my son wasn’t going to be separated out and placed in a higher class in order that the students that didn’t excel feel shame or something to that affect

In VT no kid gets left behind because nobody fails

The classes are geared towards getting the kids to do the work and allow retests

It worked out for my sons as well because if they did fuckup a test / they reviewed it and took it again


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[GiBo]

I was in a 4th grade/6th grade combo class. I was in 4th grade. It was a really stupid idea. On top of that, the district at the time was experimenting with having elementary on a period system. So there were like 5 different teachers- math/english/history etc... I, of course, gravitated towards the older cool kid clique. This was not good for my grades. I got all C's. My mom said fuck that and held me back to repeat 4th in a traditional class. I was pissed at the time, but it worked out well in the end. I was always a little more mature, bigger and a little ahead academically than my classmates. This ended up giving me confidence and I think it contributed to me being more successful in school.

I would think it would not be a great idea to skip. There's no hurry here. I would rather the kid be a little bored than be frustrated and lose confidence.

[riser4]

The cautionary tale from growing up is one of my friends who is dead now. Super smart with a November birthday so already on the young side. Decidedly unchallenged in the slightest and bored in school. All As without trying or caring. Complete alcoholic at age 16. Didn't finish college. Married his coke supplier according to the rumors. Dead at age 46, his heart gave out from years of abuse. Nobody told me and we had been out of touch for 20+ years. Bored kids find ways to entertain themselves. Truly one of those people who might have cured cancer or worked out viable fusion reactors had he been on a different path. So I am not at all a fan of under delivering education to the smart kids.