What did I do wrong on a pow day?

[SoVT Joey]

Were you using pole straps? Releasable? Top culprit.

[eSock]

Another vote for skiing style. My bents love light powder. But they want balance. Just stand on them. You’re surfing, not leaning into the front of your boots

+1, just stand on top of em and let em rip, you don't really need to force anything or press into them with how centered they are, even -2 from mount

[gaijin]

I forced myself to skim this entire thread before typing this— wax. Dry, shitty bases.

The only reason anyone on a modern ski to not be enjoying new snow is wax.

Your skis are fine. Your skill is fine. Everything is fine.

Except your bases. They’re dry and staticky as fuck. Your tips dive, you barely slide, so you lean back and your legs are exhausted.


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[SnowMachine]

Were you using pole straps? Releasable? Top culprit.

I definitely think you're onto something here.

[SnowMachine]

Hard to say, OP. I have the newer Bents and have had a day on them where I couldn't get them to float. I chalked it up to snow conditions. There have been a ton more days where they floated and slashed all over the mountain. Usually they are very surfy.

Kinda depends on your skiing style, too. If you want to drive the front of the ski, you're on the wrong stick. The Bents turn from right under your feet in powder.

I do find the huge quiver guys interesting. I'm always trying to pare down. The more I ski a ski the more I feel at home on it.

[crashidy]

Fwiw i would not consider the snow at Targhee from Monday until now dry or light. It is deep high density snow. Came in warm with a shit ton of wind and finished cold. I'm guessing it was the forward mount and you are a traditional mount skier. My atomic automatics had a traditional and a centered mount point with various lines. I went traditional. Older brother to your current ski. Remount further back andnyou likely be happier.

[BeHuWe]

I forced myself to skim this entire thread before typing this— wax. Dry, shitty bases.

The only reason anyone on a modern ski to not be enjoying new snow is wax.

Your skis are fine. Your skill is fine. Everything is fine.

Except your bases. They’re dry and staticky as fuck. Your tips dive, you barely slide, so you lean back and your legs are exhausted.


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This. Also, did you wax with an appropriate temperature wax?

That is usually my first question when trying to figure out why someone is struggling with a progressively mounted ski.


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[Core Shot]

I tried sinking the tips on my Lotus 120's by just leaning forward all the way in pow , there did not seem to be a limit cuz they never sunk, I figured it had something to do with the 600mm of early rise

When released the 120 was designed for ball of foot and shin pressure. It’s awesome. Super floaty tip and pin tail.

Bent 120 has great reviews. But as has been said it might be the mount.

Remount and try again. Not sure how much back. There must be a bent thread here.

PS. Had a similar sufferfest on a Nordic enforcer 100 in 24”. I think it is just too stiff in front for my taste in deep pow. Then again it’s also skinny. Had flashbacks to skiing rc4 before the explosive was invented.

PPS. 14” on firm you shouldn’t worry about going over the handle bars. If the tips dive they’ll hit the bed surface.

[Dee Hubbs]

Should have used this anti tip dive technique:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co-lT...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[skaredshtles]

Should have used this anti tip dive technique:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co-lT...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I laffed.

[2FUNKY]

Should have used this anti tip dive technique:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co-lT...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Asym is so 5 years ago….


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[RadSkier_]

I forced myself to skim this entire thread before typing this— wax. Dry, shitty bases.

The only reason anyone on a modern ski to not be enjoying new snow is wax.

Your skis are fine. Your skill is fine. Everything is fine.

Except your bases. They’re dry and staticky as fuck. Your tips dive, you barely slide, so you lean back and your legs are exhausted.


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I agree about the wax. I was out on a 50CM day with shitty bases and it sucked in anything that wasn't steep. great lesson on keep those bases in prime shape for the monster days.


I'll add a slightly different take on balance as well: I find the best way to approach progressive mounts on pow skis it is to imagine your trying to bend the front and back of the ski evenly by pushing down evenly on the middle of your ski as you approach each turn. When you bounce on a tramp you don't lean forward or back, just nice and centered.

When skiing deep pow on progressive skis the goal is to bounce with each turn by compressing the snow and launching off of it. I have the 190CM Moment Wildcats (-6CM mount) and while that ski is unreal in chop, it doesn't like anything but a mostly centered stance at my 6ft 180lbs and that makes sense - that is what the ski was designed for!

If you just relax, remember the fundamentals (strong platform, centered stance) you'll crush it!

[Falcon3]

My preferred protocol on a pow day (pay attention, you'll probably find some things you did wrong):

1. Get up to the lot before the parking attendants and park like a total asshat
2. Put your skis down to hold your spot for first chair and then walk to the lodge for a quad goat milk mocha with extra syrup
3. Get back in line, crank up your bluetooth speaker with some bullshit music, take a couple shots of Fireball
4. Take two laps, head to the lodge and get wasted.

Any deviations from this list and you're asking for trouble.

[EWG]

Should have used this anti tip dive technique:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co-lT...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This is why I never worry about wax for powder.

Also, what the fuck is 50CM? Is that closer to 2 inches or 20 feet?

[Shorty_J]

Also, what the fuck is 50CM?

A lot.

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[kootenayskier]

It’s mostly all been mentioned, but all these factors (ski design, mount point, and tune, your physiology and technique, binding and boot ramp angle, forward lean, stiffness, and quality of flex) all come together to make skiing deep powder an effortless dance, or not. If you’re still learning what works, then by all means experiment, but otherwise any big changes have the potential to feel like shit.

[f=ma]

Get a pair of 130+ width skis and surf that fresh like it's corduroy

[californiagrown]

skis plane better when you go faster. straightline for a bit, get up to speed and then when things get in your way, turn.

If you arent used to skiing deep snow, finding the balance zone (its never a point) will take a little time.

[RadSkier_]

This is why I never worry about wax for powder.

Also, what the fuck is 50CM? Is that closer to 2 inches or 20 feet?

it works out to about 1/3 the length of those 6ft long soul 7 skis you rock on pow days!!!

[Bushwacka]

I had a set of dukes with zero ramp angle and they kept me in the back seat feeling like a gaper. I added a shim under the heel and they skied great. Use some calipers to measure the toe vs heel height compared to your other skis. If the bindings are mounted forward of the recommended line that could also be the culprit.

yeah on the flip side...some new side country like the binding like the Shifts are extremely toe low and I have to lift the toes to feel in balance especially in powder.

[EWG]

it works out to about 1/3 the length of those 6ft long soul 7 skis you rock on pow days!!!

Solid smack talk right there. Well done.

What's a Soul 7 in Freedom Units? Soul 2.75?

Also, do I have to physically fight your for accusing me of skiing on Soul 7s? Or is it just a ski-off?

[XXX-er]

When released the 120 was designed for ball of foot and shin pressure. It’s awesome. Super floaty tip and pin tail. .

Yes ! I forgot about that pintail, my Lotus 120 are mounted with Verticals which I think helped to get the tip so far out of the snow you can read DPS die cut in the ptex, of course I was acused of back seating

[XXX-er]

When released the 120 was designed for ball of foot and shin pressure. It’s awesome. Super floaty tip and pin tail. .

Yes ! I forgot about that pintail, my Lotus 120 are mounted with Verticals which I think helped to get the tip so far out of the snow you can read DPS die cut in the ptex, of course I was acused of back seating

I could sink the tips on a ski with 450mm early rise but never the Lotus with 600mm early rise

[BeHuWe]

My preferred protocol on a pow day (pay attention, you'll probably find some things you did wrong):

1. Get up to the lot before the parking attendants and park like a total asshat
2. Put your skis down to hold your spot for first chair and then walk to the lodge for a quad goat milk mocha with extra syrup
3. Get back in line, crank up your bluetooth speaker with some bullshit music, take a couple shots of Fireball
4. Take two laps, head to the lodge and get wasted.

Any deviations from this list and you're asking for trouble.

Isn’t that what we all do??


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[Core Shot]

Isn’t that what we all do??


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Step 5 is missing:
Spray all over the Internet about how awesome the day was.