What did I do wrong on a pow day?

[Shorty_J]

That’s cool. L3 is hard to obtain.

What does PSIA instruction manuals says about “why ankles need to be able to flex?”

Looks like the professional organization you are a member of says that “ankles play a key role in for and aft balance”

https://www.psia-nw.org/ankle-awareness/

Oh snap again.

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[pfluffenmeister]

Critique my POV bushguy

WOOFFUCKINGCITY!
That's some good shit.

Looks more fullsend than fullstop.

[tuco]

there’s np with psia and it’s regimented for a reason. but regimented aspects of an “art” are always funny to me.
He enjoys that aspect of it though and I can appreciate learning anything that improves or enhances things you love doing.
Thanks for the compliment DJ- I can’t say I will pass it on though because he would be annoyed with me if he knew we were typing about him. hope to ski ya tomorrow

Just tell him to post moar vids instead

[Bushwacka]

That’s cool. L3 is hard to obtain.

What does PSIA instruction manuals says about “why ankles need to be able to flex?”

Looks like the professional organization you are a member of says that “ankles play a key role in for and aft balance”

https://www.psia-nw.org/ankle-awareness/

I think the PSIA is wrong on so many things.

They cite hips behind feet as bad yet you can not find one video of a elite skier with hips over feet. Please find me a video of this because it does not exist and IMO that discount this article entirely.









All good skiers ski with hips behind feet basically all the time, and the upper spine is rounded forward to keep for and aft balance and movement.


If you follow their 5 fundamentals of good skiing that describe and not prescribe good skiing there is a ton of open room for interpretation and room for people like Whiteford's skiing.

Control the relationship of the Center of Mass to the base of support to direct pressure along the length of the skis

· Control pressure from ski to ski and direct pressure toward the outside ski

· Control edge angles through a combination of inclination and angulation

· Control the skis rotation (turning, pivoting, steering) with leg rotation, separate from the upper body

· Regulate the magnitude of pressure created through ski/snow interaction

To be complete honest i basically think someone with dialed for and aft boot/binding alignment can get enough flex out of the liner and flesh compressing to ski basically all terrain. I really think having softer flexxing boot is bad for many skiers and that the ankle joint barely has to move for good skiing. The issue when people do not pay attention to their equipment alignment and they are in 130+ flex plug or strong freeride boot they suddenly cry foul that their boots are too stiff when the reality is they just lack sufficient forward lean.

[JayPowHound]

the ankle joint barely has to move for good skiing.

Whoa whoa whoa.

Full stop.

Barely moving is definitely moving.

I believe the conversation started talking about mere degrees of flexion.

That sounds an awful lot like barely moving to me, and quite different from not moving.

[XXX-er]

Consider you are either pregnant or not pregnant, there is no barely pregnant

[AK47bp]

Consider you are either pregnant or not pregnant, there is no barely pregnant

That’s not what yer mum tells me

[Bushwacka]

Whoa whoa whoa.

Full stop.

Barely moving is definitely moving.

I believe the conversation started talking about mere degrees of flexion.

That sounds an awful lot like barely moving to me, and quite different from not moving.

you realize this was my actual stance but people put ankles do not move in my mouth again so I just went with it.

If you go back and see the last time this happened I said it months earlier. I do think ankles flexxing is vastly overblown and the rounding of the spine is the real driving factor in controling the COM over the BOS.

[pfluffenmeister]

Consider you are either pregnant or not pregnant, there is no barely pregnant

He's mostly dead.

[toast2266]

He's mostly dead.

No need to bring abortion into this.

[Dee Hubbs]

If you go back and see the last time this happened….

Why does this keep happening….

[Vt-Freeheel]

Why does this keep happening….

[Core Shot]

Back to op.
I’ve come to realize that my pow turns have become steer and slarve. Fat ski fun.

Struggled a bit on narrower and trad skis this trip until my brain fog cleared and I remembered the bouncy bouncy turn. Weird. But true. Every ski has its style. Adapt

Sorry for the thread drift
Have we solved ankle flex?
And why does he pull his hand behind his body?

[Bushwacka]

Back to op.
I’ve come to realize that my pow turns have become steer and slarve. Fat ski fun.

Struggled a bit on narrower and trad skis this trip until my brain fog cleared and I remembered the bouncy bouncy turn. Weird. But true. Every ski has its style. Adapt

Sorry for the thread drift
Have we solved ankle flex?
And why does he pull his hand behind his body?

Do you have video example of that happening?

[gaijin]

Dropping in to comment about hips behind feet. I'm not a PSIA technician, but all those pics posted are still shots of people hauling ass. Their hips are above/in front of their feet relative to their fall line. It may look like, from a still shot, that they are leaning back, but the center of their driving-point (fall line) from their base to their target actually places their hips above, or in front of their feet.

I'm not looking to argue with bushy, as he told us he's on the spectrum and perhaps thinking of these technicalities differently than others.

I think the hips-above-feet, or hips-before-feet is in the perspective of the skier, not the viewer. It's supposed to be a nuance that the skier feels, not that of a third party's observation from outside.

Does that make sense?

Imagining that pow skier (is that Hoji) with his hips in front of his feet [in that photograph relative to the slope angle] would have him summersaulting down the mountain.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Yeah, hips over feet is relative to a plumb line, not slope angle. All those skiers have their hips over their feet with the exception of the racer but that skier looks to be in transition between turns. I guess people will see what they want to believe. It’s a common problem these days in all aspects of life beyond skiing.


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[Harry]

why does an ankle need to flex?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CanGC2hJUIZ/ I make my boot have zero flex and I manage but the ramp/forward lean put me in the position I want to be in.

Who is that guy ? I’m a shitty skier but I am way better than him.

[GoldenBC]

I think the PSIA is wrong on so many things.

They cite hips behind feet as bad yet you can not find one video of a elite skier with hips over feet. Please find me a video of this because it does not exist and IMO that discount this article entirely.









All good skiers ski with hips behind feet basically all the time, and the upper spine is rounded forward to keep for and aft balance and movement.


If you follow their 5 fundamentals of good skiing that describe and not prescribe good skiing there is a ton of open room for interpretation and room for people like Whiteford's skiing.

Control the relationship of the Center of Mass to the base of support to direct pressure along the length of the skis

· Control pressure from ski to ski and direct pressure toward the outside ski

· Control edge angles through a combination of inclination and angulation

· Control the skis rotation (turning, pivoting, steering) with leg rotation, separate from the upper body

· Regulate the magnitude of pressure created through ski/snow interaction

To be complete honest i basically think someone with dialed for and aft boot/binding alignment can get enough flex out of the liner and flesh compressing to ski basically all terrain. I really think having softer flexxing boot is bad for many skiers and that the ankle joint barely has to move for good skiing. The issue when people do not pay attention to their equipment alignment and they are in 130+ flex plug or strong freeride boot they suddenly cry foul that their boots are too stiff when the reality is they just lack sufficient forward lean.

I think the issue is people are talking in extremes. If Bush was saying, ski boots barely need to flex, and it’s more important to have a supportive boot than a soft boot, Everyone would agree with him. A soft boot doesn’t help anyone. I think bush feels like he has super stiff boots, but in fact, they actually do flex a tiny bit, including his liners and flesh, as he says.

[Lvovsky]

…

I guess people will see what they want to believe. It’s a common problem these days in all aspects of life beyond skiing.

Sig worthy

[Lvovsky]

Back to OP. Here is an opposing view:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ent-PB-amp-J-s


FWIW I love my BC120. Super easy to float in anything soft. Centered stance feels excellent. I also have BC100 that do well on chopped groomers and in soft. Tried friends BC110 yesterday in 10” fresh and they felt more like 100: more capable on groomed, less flotation obviously. All three version have similar personalities. All three prefer centered stance and, for me, feet closer together.

[skifishbum]

Who is that guy ? I’m a shitty skier but I am way better than him.

once upon an utarded maggot mini summit pudwhacker talked a bunch of shit until it was time to run some nastar gates
then he got his ass kicked by inspector gadget and other mags
then he talked excuse shit.
yes you're a better skier
mostly cause you haz mur fun doing it

[Harry]

Skiing with friends, it’s what it’s all about.

And skiing is a shitload of fun, I love it.

See you & Sheldon on 4/20.[emoji3]



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[Bushwacka]

Yeah, hips over feet is relative to a plumb line, not slope angle. All those skiers have their hips over their feet with the exception of the racer but that skier looks to be in transition between turns. I guess people will see what they want to believe. It’s a common problem these days in all aspects of life beyond skiing.


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Do you have video of people skiing better with more hips more forward?

BTW those pictures are

Andrew Whiteford
Hoji(almost unmistakeble)
Me
Mikela Shiffrin

[Bushwacka]

I think the issue is people are talking in extremes. If Bush was saying, ski boots barely need to flex, and it’s more important to have a supportive boot than a soft boot, Everyone would agree with him. A soft boot doesn’t help anyone. I think bush feels like he has super stiff boots, but in fact, they actually do flex a tiny bit, including his liners and flesh, as he says.

Pretty much was the conclusion of my last troll. I just went with the boots and ankles do not flex because people put the words in my mouth.

Why try to fight the collective, many people are always correct over individuals.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Do you have video of people skiing better with more hips more forward?

BTW those pictures are

Andrew Whiteford
Hoji(almost unmistakeble)
Me
Mikela Shiffrin

Can you read? I thought I gave a pretty concise explanation about where their hips are in relation to their feet. Did the plumb line comment throw you?


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