Can Zipfit cure my issue???

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Been on Lange RX 130LV for the past two seasons. 26.5. Intuition power wraps. The last pair of wraps lasted about 75ish days. Got too packed out. I'm a good 1.5-2 fingers on shell fit.

I recently started skiing some real stiff skis (FL113s) and immediately the slight boot deficiencies magnified. So I molded up brand new power wraps and after 5 days of hard skiing they already feel loose/packed out again. Using custom masterfit insoles FWIF.

I've had this same issue in the past with very stiff long skis. For most people power wraps are enough, but skiing burly skis at mach looney they still can feel too soft.

The little quiz on the Zipfit site claims it can cure boot slop, but does it work with a large-ish shell fit?

Do I need to drop a shell size?

[Bamski]

Sounds like your boot is too big. Dropping 600 bucks on a liner that’s the wrong size is not the right call.

Go to a bootfitter, aim for a precise shell fit. Liners, shims, etc are useful to dial the fit to get it over the finish line. From the sound of it you’re starting from the wrong basis.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Sounds like your boot is too big. Dropping 600 bucks on a liner that’s the wrong size is not the right call.

Go to a bootfitter, aim for a precise shell fit. Liners, shims, etc are useful to dial the fit to get it over the finish line. From the sound of it you’re starting from the wrong basis.

I know this is the correct answer.....ughhh.

This seems like a great deal. Non-related but why the fuck do these boots come with grip walk soles? The fuck?

https://thebootpro.net/shop/alpine-s...ki-boots-2022/

[XXX-er]

IME intuition liners last a lot longer than 75 days if the shell size is correct, I often wonder how many people are trying to use an intuition liner in a shell that is too big ?

It sounds like your shell is too big, 26 and 26.5 are the same shell so you probably need to go down to 25.5 or even 25 (which is the same shell ) at which point maybe your foot will no longer fit in that model of shell

I use a piece of wood or sft instead of fingers to measure a true 9-15mm (Scarpa gauge) space behind the heel, a sharpie felt marker is 15mm

[arild]

Gara HVs, probably, and a couple of tubes of cork, but really, agree with the others. Too big a shell.

I've skied my FLs in both my lupos, which exhaust me, but are comfy, and my Dobermanns, which are tolerable at best, but super precise. I prefer the discomfort when going balls out.

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[toast2266]

Aside from the shell fit issue, my zipfits are in a whole different league than any intuition I've ever owned (which is quite a few). Waaaay better heel hold and fit. I get better heel hold in my zipfits with the boots unbuckled than I did with most of my intuitions with the buckles cranked. Only regret with the zipfits is putting off buying them because they're expensive. Wish I'd done it years earlier.

I'm about to throw down $500 for the zipfit touring liner even though I've got fairly new intuitions in my touring boots. Because now I'm used to my alpine boots having an awesome fit, and the intuitions in my touring boots feel insanely sloppy.

[XXX-er]

curious how the Zipfit fill up a shell compared to a stock liner and/ or an Intuition ?

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

I think I'm gonna go all in here. Sell a few pairs of skis to make it feasible. I just ski too damn much and too hard to have slop. New properly fit shells and zipfits. Fuck.

[Bushwacka]

you probably go to a plug when you drop as well...

[RAB3]

Aside from the shell fit issue, my zipfits are in a whole different league than any intuition I've ever owned (which is quite a few). Waaaay better heel hold and fit. I get better heel hold in my zipfits with the boots unbuckled than I did with most of my intuitions with the buckles cranked. Only regret with the zipfits is putting off buying them because they're expensive. Wish I'd done it years earlier.

^ this.

The cheapskate in me says buy Gara HVs and see if they fill up your current shells and if they don’t downsize boots and use them in the new ones (might have to remove some cork).

The correct answer has already been given and received, though. New shells and Zipfits.

[RAB3]

curious how the Zipfit fill up a shell compared to a stock liner and/ or an Intuition ?

I have the Freerides (lots of cork) and they fill the shells better than the stock liners and 1/4” foam on both sides of the ankle

[FlimFlamvanHam]

I'm in agreement with toast and rab3. The same ZF gara HV's I am in now I was using in same boot model as I currently ski but next size up and, had I not been totally familiar with how the smaller shell skied from using it for years prior,, I'd still happily be using those larger shells with none of the slop I had in years of Intuitions and models.

I could never fully remedy a bit of fore/aft movement until getting zipfits.

They are fanfuckingtastic (even if my toes twice as cold as in foam liners).

1.5-2 fingers may not be huge. What does it measure? Get a dowel or an extension with a socket on it (until you find the one the fits behind your heel and shell) and measure it. If you're 20mm (yeah roomy but not end of world) or less you're probably ok. Most can't do the next mondo down if they are at about 18mm now. Unless they go zipfit. But seriously, skiing really hard on stiff skis, i'd be (and was) fukt in a ~10mm shellfit and equally as fukt (but more precision sacrifice and slop over excruciating toe bang) in the ~18mm shellfit using Intuitions.

[soul_skier]

As someone who is also skiing FL113s, dobermanns with zipfits is about as good as it gets in terms of a boot to drive that ski properly. Pain in the ass to get dialed in but once your liners and shells are fit to your feet properly you don't have to think about it for a few hundred days.

[Marshal Olson]

I;'d recommend to trace your foot on a piece of paper. Measure the length. If it's 260-269mm, a 26 shell is the right size!

And the thing with Lange RS/RX boots is they are super nice boots, but do have a relatively roomier ankle that something like a Doberman or R98. And nothing locks your ankle down for skiing big skis fast and with confidence like a zipfit. So, assuming the boot you have is the right size in the first place, and knowing how/where you ski... Zipfit really will make a big positive difference.

If you do get a zipfit, tho, be prepared. They are a PITA the first 5-10 days, not going to lie. Like literally can't even buckle your boots past the first ladder your first day out, and you may only last 3-5 runs. Seriously. But they get super comfortable quickly, as the foam, leather, and cork all form to your foot. They break in amazing and last. My current liner has well over 400 days at this point (8+ seasons), and other than needing to repair the stitching of the sole around the heel a few times, and shooting extra cork in every now and again, they have another few hundred days left I'd bet.

[Name Redacted]

I wonder if a Surefoot injection liner might help with the issue.

[Westcoaster]

I;'d recommend to trace your foot on a piece of paper. Measure the length. If it's 260-269mm, a 26 shell is the right size!

And the thing with Lange RS/RX boots is they are super nice boots, but do have a relatively roomier ankle that something like a Doberman or R98. And nothing locks your ankle down for skiing big skis fast and with confidence like a zipfit. So, assuming the boot you have is the right size in the first place, and knowing how/where you ski... Zipfit really will make a big positive difference.

If you do get a zipfit, tho, be prepared. They are a PITA the first 5-10 days, not going to lie. Like literally can't even buckle your boots past the first ladder your first day out, and you may only last 3-5 runs. Seriously. But they get super comfortable quickly, as the foam, leather, and cork all form to your foot. They break in amazing and last. My current liner has well over 400 days at this point (8+ seasons), and other than needing to repair the stitching of the sole around the heel a few times, and shooting extra cork in every now and again, they have another few hundred days left I'd bet.

Olympic bootworks tapes the heels on seemingly all their zipfits with hockey tape. 60 or so days on mine and no discernable wear on some zipfits garas.

[swissbro]

I'm in agreement with toast and rab3. The same ZF gara HV's I am in now I was using in same boot model as I currently ski but next size up and, had I not been totally familiar with how the smaller shell skied from using it for years prior,, I'd still happily be using those larger shells with none of the slop I had in years of Intuitions and models.

I could never fully remedy a bit of fore/aft movement until getting zipfits.

They are fanfuckingtastic (even if my toes twice as cold as in foam liners).

1.5-2 fingers may not be huge. What does it measure? Get a dowel or an extension with a socket on it (until you find the one the fits behind your heel and shell) and measure it. If you're 20mm (yeah roomy but not end of world) or less you're probably ok. Most can't do the next mondo down if they are at about 18mm now. Unless they go zipfit. But seriously, skiing really hard on stiff skis, i'd be (and was) fukt in a ~10mm shellfit and equally as fukt (but more precision sacrifice and slop over excruciating toe bang) in the ~18mm shellfit using Intuitions.

My foot measures 269 so I’m a very close fit in a Tecnica Mach 1 MV 26. I need significant pushes and grinding to accommodate my wide forefoot and toes. What works best for me is using the Gara LV in size 275 in my 26 boot. A bit more room for my toes and more volume than the next sized smaller. I have over 100 days on them without needing any extra cork. This is my second pair. Old ones that I now use in my touring boots have 600 days on them. I wore out a pair of Lange RX 130 with them.


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[DGamms]

I just posted a ZipFit WC 27 with a bunch of extra OmFit added to it in GearSwap. I used it to mitigate the same issue you are describing in my old Lange XT Freetour 130s 26.5.

[gregorys]

+1 on using something more exact than fingers to check shell fit.
Wood blocks cut in 5mm increments, say 5, 10, 15, 20, 25mm. IMO, you'll get way more precise a guage in how much room you have in the shell.
Even closed-cell foam, or cardboard work fine.
But fingers are just hard to fit and really, how thick are your fingers? When squished and jammed funny?

Also, tracing your foot on paper is the very best.
This is the method speed-skaters (ice and inline) use to fit in FG/Carbon shells that make ski boots look positively comfy and full of room.
See: https://shop.bontcycling.com/trace-my-feet/

I do mine without socks, and usually I use some type of square to mark the end of the longest toe. (Like a business card, or other pretty square tool - it's super easy to be off a lot just using a pen/pencil and trying to hold it vertical.)
It's easiest with a second person. (Way easier!)

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I'm in agreement with toast and rab3. The same ZF gara HV's I am in now I was using in same boot model as I currently ski but next size up and, had I not been totally familiar with how the smaller shell skied from using it for years prior,, I'd still happily be using those larger shells with none of the slop I had in years of Intuitions and models.

I could never fully remedy a bit of fore/aft movement until getting zipfits.

They are fanfuckingtastic (even if my toes twice as cold as in foam liners).

1.5-2 fingers may not be huge. What does it measure? Get a dowel or an extension with a socket on it (until you find the one the fits behind your heel and shell) and measure it. If you're 20mm (yeah roomy but not end of world) or less you're probably ok. Most can't do the next mondo down if they are at about 18mm now. Unless they go zipfit. But seriously, skiing really hard on stiff skis, i'd be (and was) fukt in a ~10mm shellfit and equally as fukt (but more precision sacrifice and slop over excruciating toe bang) in the ~18mm shellfit using Intuitions.

So basically buy a smallish boot


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[XXX-er]

I can't find a pict but I will often see the scarpa go-nogo stick hanging in a store, its a rectangular stick measuring 9mm x 16mm and long enough to easily put behind the foot or a sharpie is 15mm, the finger thing doesnt really feel accurate to me

[gregorys]

Get a dowel or an extension with a socket on it (until you find the one the fits behind your heel and shell) and measure it.

Oh! That socket idea is an awesome one!
Somehow I missed it browsing the thread.

[ntblanks]

ZF threads are the best threads.

And, yeah, OP, you need to at least shell fit a 25 boot. But you already know that.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I know this is the correct answer.....ughhh.

This seems like a great deal. Non-related but why the fuck do these boots come with grip walk soles? The fuck?

https://thebootpro.net/shop/alpine-s...ki-boots-2022/

Oh, I’m pretty sure you won’t out ski the gripwalk sole’s capabilities


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[SnowMachine]

Olympic bootworks tapes the heels on seemingly all their zipfits with hockey tape. 60 or so days on mine and no discernable wear on some zipfits garas.

I was in saying hi to the crew today. They just set me up with some RX120’s after I tired of playing with some ZB’s. I haven’t given up on the ZB’s yet, but the RX is plug and play for me.

my Zip’s have the heals taped. Close to 100 days on them at this point and they look perfect. Had a bit of cork put into the tongue last week. The ZB’s are going to get foam liners now that the shells fit. I’m curious how it’ll compare to the RX’s with ZipFit. Zip’s are probably going into any resort boot that is on my feet. I like them a lot and tend to feel that a Zip with a booster strap bumps flex about 10 points for a lot of boots.