23 Smugg - Imminent!!!

[smartyiak]

OH MY!!!!

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-...comment-297961



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How about 150/140 and 28.5#????

[Andeh]

https://www.transitionbikes.com/Bikes_Smuggler.cfm

[toast2266]

I am of the opinion that the old smuggler was one of the best bikes of the modern era. Hopefully they didn't screw it up. The new one certainly looks pretty rad.

[smartyiak]

I am of the opinion that the old smuggler was one of the best bikes of the modern era. Hopefully they didn't screw it up. The new one certainly looks pretty rad.

That's why I am so interested. The SBG geo was the first time a bike actually fit...that 500 reach seemed soooo long on paper...then I demo'd one. As soon as I sat on it I was like: ohhhhh....this is how a bike is supposed to fit. Everyone's doing it now, but it still holds a place in my heart for leading the way.

[Andeh]

Yeah, the old Smuggler was a riot. My only complaint was my alloy one had limited seatpost insertion.

[Eluder]

It looks pretty good for sure, my first thoughts were that it's a pretty steep seat tube for this class of bike and PIKE>34.

Old Smuggler had shitty tire clearance, other than that it was pretty solid.

[Dantheman]

Slightly lame to not offer a Alloy GX build, though the actual spec difference between Alloy NX and Carbon GX isn't very significant. Also weird that the GX build gets a 36 but the fancy pants AXS builds get a 34.

[Eluder]

Slightly lame to not offer a Alloy GX build, though the actual spec difference between Alloy NX and Carbon GX isn't very significant. Also weird that the GX build gets a 36 but the fancy pants AXS builds get a 34.

I'm not seeing a 36 anywhere. (edit: VitalMTB has a typo on their copy) I can confirm 34s across the board.

[smartyiak]

I'm not seeing a 36 anywhere. (edit: VitalMTB has a typo on their copy) I can confirm 34s across the board.

I kinda thought that was weird. When I saw 140, I immediately thought: Pike. And then I thought: how many are gonna upfork to a 150 36? (The video talks about how good the 34 is and why he didn't go bigger).

[Dantheman]

I'm not seeing a 36 anywhere. (edit: VitalMTB has a typo on their copy) I can confirm 34s across the board.

I was definitely looking at the Transition site. I must have caught it just before someone at Transition fixed it. If I had to guess, I'd bet Transition called up Vital this morning to tell them their copy was wrong and Vital pointed them back to their own typo.

[toast2266]

I was definitely looking at the Transition site. I must have caught it just before someone at Transition fixed it. If I had to guess, I'd bet Transition called up Vital this morning to tell them their copy was wrong and Vital pointed them back to their own typo.

It's all the same copy. Transition sends a file to all the media sites ahead of the launch with specs, pics, descriptions, etc. I'm sure portions of that file are the same copy that's used to build their website.

Having spent a bunch of time on the 34, it's a great fork. That said, I'd still want a 36 on a smuggler.

[stuckathuntermtn]

OH MY!!!!

https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-...comment-297961



Updated with FRAME review:


How about 150/140 and 28.5#????

Not with that piggyback shock [emoji849]

[Sandbox]

That is a solid looking bike, I like the colour as well but maybe that's just me. I haven't been on a Pike in a couple of years but i do find my new 34 better but a 36 i think makes a lot of sense. I'd be really interested if i didn't get a Tallboy last season.

[stuckathuntermtn]

It looks pretty good for sure, my first thoughts were that it's a pretty steep seat tube for this class of bike and PIKE>34.

Old Smuggler had shitty tire clearance, other than that it was pretty solid.

The builds are weird. Fox suspension and Sram drivetrain/brakes? Um, ok.
Pike + Shimano ftmfw. I'm also liking my Magura brakes. The Centerline rotors not so much.


Oh, and good job to Transition for not routing cables through the headset. GG still had the best cable management solution.

It's really cool that a small brand like Transition also still offers alloy frames.

[zion zig zag]

It looks cool, but I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade my 2020 Smuggler with 36 Grip 2.

[Eluder]

Having spent a bunch of time on the 34, it's a great fork. That said, I'd still want a 36 on a smuggler.

I agree the 34 is a good fork for 120-130mm, I personally think 140mm is a bit much for the chassis.

[smmokan]

How about 150/140 and 28.5#????

It's 140/130mm... plenty of other options in that range and weight class these days. It is a sexy looking bike though!

[g_man80]

They do mention that you can bump the rear travel to 140mm by simply removing a spacer in the shock.

I’m not sure what build is coming in at 28.5lbs, but you’re going to spend some coin to get there starting with a 6.6lb frame.

[toast2266]

I’m not sure what build is coming in at 28.5lbs, but you’re going to spend some coin to get there starting with a 6.6lb frame.

Seems pretty do-able. My Spur was 28.5 with pedals, heavy wheels, a double down rear tire, and various other not particularly light parts. The Smuggler frame is ~1.7 lbs heavier than the Spur, and the 28.5 lb weight is gonna be without pedals. I'd guess any X01-ish build would come in right around that 28-29lb mark without pedals.

[smartyiak]

It's 140/130mm... plenty of other options in that range and weight class these days. It is a sexy looking bike though!

They do mention that you can bump the rear travel to 140mm by simply removing a spacer in the shock.

I’m not sure what build is coming in at 28.5lbs, but you’re going to spend some coin to get there starting with a 6.6lb frame.

Geez Louise...did you guys even watch the video????? Do I have to do all the heavy lifting around here???

While I'm quoting Smmokan: Since you can bump to 140....Smug vs/ Hugene. Who ya got? (Knowing that you've never ridden the Smuggler...just a best guess????)

[cydwhit]

It's all the same copy. Transition sends a file to all the media sites ahead of the launch with specs, pics, descriptions, etc. I'm sure portions of that file are the same copy that's used to build their website.

Having spent a bunch of time on the 34, it's a great fork. That said, I'd still want a 36 on a smuggler.

Yeah, I ordered a frame this morning, torn between a 150 36 or a Lyric. If I still had an Enduro bike, I'd consider running it with the 140 34, but as my one pedal bike, it's gonna be 140/150 with bigger stanchions for sure. Very stoked!

[toast2266]

Since you can bump to 140....Smug vs/ Hugene. Who ya got? (Knowing that you've never ridden the Smuggler...just a best guess????)

I'll play (since I have a Hugene and rode the old Smuggler, and am inclined to idly speculate on the internet about these sorts of things).

I bet the Hugene climbs better on steeper, techy trails - lower antisquat numbers (probably, based on my guesses about the Smuggler) and longer chainstays. I bet the Smuggler feels more efficient on fire road climbs. Stability while descending is probably a wash; Hugene has a longer rear end, but Smuggler sits slightly lower and is a smidge slacker. I find the rear end of the Hugene to feel a little flexy sometimes, and I'd venture a guess that the Smuggler will be a bit stiffer. The "high end" build of the Hugene comes with a 150mm 36 though, so that right there probably bumps the Hugene ahead on descents, at least in terms of stock builds.

[smartyiak]

I'll play (since I have a Hugene and rode the old Smuggler, and am inclined to idly speculate on the internet about these sorts of things).

I bet the Hugene climbs better on steeper, techy trails - lower antisquat numbers (probably, based on my guesses about the Smuggler) and longer chainstays. I bet the Smuggler feels more efficient on fire road climbs. Stability while descending is probably a wash; Hugene has a longer rear end, but Smuggler sits slightly lower and is a smidge slacker. I find the rear end of the Hugene to feel a little flexy sometimes, and I'd venture a guess that the Smuggler will be a bit stiffer. The "high end" build of the Hugene comes with a 150mm 36 though, so that right there probably bumps the Hugene ahead on descents, at least in terms of stock builds.

Thanks mang...solid info!!!!

[toast2266]

Yeah, I ordered a frame this morning, torn between a 150 36 or a Lyric. If I still had an Enduro bike, I'd consider running it with the 140 34, but as my one pedal bike, it's gonna be 140/150 with bigger stanchions for sure. Very stoked!

Lyrik. Cheaper, better small bump sensitivity, stiffer.

That'll be a sick bike. Interested to hear your take on it.

[Dantheman]

Yeah, I ordered a frame this morning, torn between a 150 36 or a Lyric.

Mezzer Pro. Same weight, stiffer chassis, 3-chamber air spring, internally adjustable travel. Mara Pro for the rear, too.