Alpine bindings - current best?

[pfluffenmeister]

I think that was a reference to an update to the CAST Pivot conversion (?).

[connersw]

Yes, and...

along with a p15/p18 redesign to allow for more adjustability.

Whaaaaaat? Updated Pivot?

New horseshoe design.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So I was looking at over 250$ for a new binding at the ski shop instead I found a set of Salomon rocker 2's with STH 14's for 125 $ at the ski swap, pretty much exactly what I was looking for

The ski and binding look to be in really good shape, I have no idea what a rocker 2 is like but I will probably swap the STH14's over to my Lotus 120's,

Which Rocker2? There’s a couple different widths.


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[XXX-er]

Which Rocker2? There’s a couple different widths.


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These are 122 so the brakes are wide enough for my lotus 120's ,

Not sure how old but the bases/ topsheet/ binding in fact the whole setup is in really nice lightly used shape

hot tip: I always go to a ski swap with a tape measure

[whambat]

I love my Pivots also. I think they are the best binding although STH2s are pretty fucking good also. The only thing I hate about Pivots is getting back into them in deep snow or at any kind of an angle. With the STH2 you kinda aim for the heel and everything usually lines up and you're in. With Pivots if there is any angle to your ski or snow in the heel (or toe) system it's a pain in the ass.

in powder, just put your tail of the ski in the snow at about 15-30 degree angle for the ski, up to almost the heel piece, gravity lines the heel piece into place. Put your toe in and step in to the binding. With any binding in powder, I never have my ski flat on the snow. Learned that ski patrolling 25 years ago when having to get in and out of gear to do work while doing trail work or loading a PT in a toboggan. Never fails, doesn’t matter the binding.

[Shorty_J]

So I was looking at over 250$ for a new binding at the ski shop instead I found a set of Salomon rocker 2's with STH 14's for 125 $ at the ski swap, pretty much exactly what I was looking for

The ski and binding look to be in really good shape, I have no idea what a rocker 2 is like but I will probably swap the STH14's over to my Lotus 120's,

They are heavy if you are used to a lotus build... but rocker2s in all the widths were and are underrated skis.

You might want to try to ski them first... just for fun.

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[XXX-er]

Yeah they look pretty good I am tempted to ski them, i'm not even sure why they didnt get grabbed cuz I was late to the swap

honsetly I am not even sure I can tour anymore ( illiopsoas bursa issue) let alone shlep my beloved Hybrid lotus 120/ vert/ G3 skin combo up the piste (which might be so 10 years ago) and i have lots of light BC rigs so setting the Lotus up alpine is the plan

and then post ACL surgery I've had trouble just stepping into my barons SO i been i wanting to go to a salomon binding (which i know is easier) to use with my alpine boots and so I'm 99% sure this will work well

If i can get 75$ for the Rockers or anything to defray the 125$ cost of the ski/binding combo that is way better than paying 250-300 for a new binding

[SupreChicken]

I am struggling to find consolidated info on alpine binding ramp delta.

2 questions.

1) I have an old pivot 18. If I swap to gripwalk afds, do I make the ramp delta zero?

2) does the Salomon strive have a 6mm delta like the sth2 or is it less?

3) is there anything other than a toe shimmed pivot that is actually zero ramp out of the box?

[normie17]

I am struggling to find consolidated info on alpine binding ramp delta.

2 questions.

1) I have an old pivot 18. If I swap to gripwalk afds, do I make the ramp delta zero?

2) does the Salomon strive have a 6mm delta like the sth2 or is it less?

3) is there anything other than a toe shimmed pivot that is actually zero ramp out of the box?

good question

[tupp_]

I am struggling to find consolidated info on alpine binding ramp delta.

2 questions.

1) I have an old pivot 18. If I swap to gripwalk afds, do I make the ramp delta zero?

2) does the Salomon strive have a 6mm delta like the sth2 or is it less?

3) is there anything other than a toe shimmed pivot that is actually zero ramp out of the box?

I just measured my 2015 pivots (the ones that shipped with toe shims to adjust the delta) and strives last week.

Pivots of that vintage are 5mm with alpine AFD.

Strives are the same as STH2 MNC, ~3.5mm. I measured closer to 3mm.

[gregL]

I am struggling to find consolidated info on alpine binding ramp delta.

2 questions.

1) I have an old pivot 18. If I swap to gripwalk afds, do I make the ramp delta zero?

2) does the Salomon strive have a 6mm delta like the sth2 or is it less?

3) is there anything other than a toe shimmed pivot that is actually zero ramp out of the box?

1) Unsure, haven't tried it. Current Pivot 15/18 with the GW AFD is 2.5mm or 2mm depending on who is measuring.
2) I get 5mm with the Strive 14 GW and 4mm with the Strive 16 MN (I get 5mm with the STH2 16 WTR)
3) Measuring current model bindings, the closest I've seen is the Tyrolia Attack 14 GW @ 1mm

[DarthMarkus]

I am struggling to find consolidated info on alpine binding ramp delta.

2 questions.

1) I have an old pivot 18. If I swap to gripwalk afds, do I make the ramp delta zero?

2) does the Salomon strive have a 6mm delta like the sth2 or is it less?

3) is there anything other than a toe shimmed pivot that is actually zero ramp out of the box?

Weirdly, I have a pair of R16s from Fischer/tyrolia that might actually be zero. Same binding as the mojo I believe. I think there are better bindings, but it's certainly not a bad binding if you don't care about GripWalkTM.

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[Phall]

This year Iswapped two different non-GW afd's to a GW afd. the older rossi FKS 15 race toe pivots (black with orange accents) wouldn't work, but the PX15 Race toes I had lying around did in fact work. No change in how the skis feel on snow.

[XXX-er]

They are heavy if you are used to a lotus build... but rocker2s in all the widths were and are underrated skis.

You might want to try to ski them first... just for fun.

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keeping the Rocker2's was tempting but I've got too many skis

I have since heard the rockers were underrated from the shop dude whom I scammed binding plugs from, its always good to have pre-emptively bought shop dude a beer

I assume the adj screw sticking out from the black housing is how pre-load is set but how much of the screw should show ?

as far as the knurled part?

[arild]

Weirdly, I have a pair of R16s from Fischer/tyrolia that might actually be zero. Same binding as the mojo I believe. I think there are better bindings, but it's certainly not a bad binding if you don't care about GripWalkTM.

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I really like tyrolias(fischer,head,etc). And it's true for the Mojos I currently have, damn near zero delta.

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[oltrepiave]

how bad are griffons? i have already asked you guys about Wardens and Attacks in other threads but apparently in the dark corner of Italy where i live there's no shop with any jig/mounting knowledge that isn't the Griffon/Jester clan.

tbh it was never my first choice since i know it used to have a bad rep (poor releasing and heelpiece "biting" boot heels if i remember correctly) but i wouldn't be using it a lot anyway (old bentchetler 120 for big inbounds pow action) and maybe i'm just reminiscing about gossip. I have also heard about recent improvements to their design.

[gregL]

how bad are griffons? i have already asked you guys about Wardens and Attacks in other threads but apparently in the dark corner of Italy where i live there's no shop with any jig/mounting knowledge that isn't the Griffon/Jester clan.

tbh it was never my first choice since i know it used to have a bad rep (poor releasing and heelpiece "biting" boot heels if i remember correctly) but i wouldn't be using it a lot anyway (old bentchetler 120 for big inbounds pow action) and maybe i'm just reminiscing about gossip. I have also heard about recent improvements to their design.

Any Griffon after the '19-'20 model year is fine. That's when they redesigned the heel roller to require less step-in force and less forward pressure (still not as easy to get into as a Salomon or a Tyrolia, but not bad). This dark corner is Oltre just outside of Rome? Still possible to download mounting templates and "mount your own fucking skis" anywhere with an Internet connection, too.

[oltrepiave]

thanks Greg.

Ha! to be honest i left out one detail: i need to rely on shops since i have a gift voucher and was looking to use that for the whole binding+mount package.

Funnily enough it's not that much of a dark corner of italy skiing-wise (even though i find it funny that my favorite best-fitting boot ever is one of the very few which is not manufactured in Asolo) but "mechanised" freeride skiing is still frowned upon here.

I'll go with the Griffon, thanks!

[Muggydude]

Worth it to swap Warden 13 to sth2 13 toe pieces? For a lighter female skier who skis hard and is getting into freeride comps

[jakezee]

Sick colors on the SPX!

Good price but no green:
https://sundanceskishop.com/products...40396023955554

I'm in the market for a non-pivot (for bsl adjustment), and this is where i'm leaning.

[jakezee]

Sick colors on the SPX!

Good price but no green:
https://sundanceskishop.com/products...40396023955554

I'm in the market for a non-pivot (for bsl adjustment), and this is where i'm leaning.

Hmmm...this is in the description:
"Its only compatible with R22-plate-equipped skis and ISO 5355 A boots."
That's not cool.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Hmmm...this is in the description:
"Its only compatible with R22-plate-equipped skis and ISO 5355 A boots."
That's not cool.

Arild had been looking at mounting those on flat skis. Apparently some guys on SkiTalk have done it.

[shank]

Is there a reason that you specifically settled on SPX rockerace? Pretty sure there are DIY fixes to both of those problems, but the juice probably isn’t worth the squeeze when there are solid stock options that would work just as well at a similar/better price point (and some of them even come in green)


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[arild]

Arild had been looking at mounting those on flat skis. Apparently some guys on SkiTalk have done it.

True! Looked at it, decided the pivot and 916/-20 pile was too large and abandoned the thought. Now you reminded me, and the pile is mostly mounted. Damn. [emoji16]

So, it's been done, and there are brakes available for it (PX racing, I think), but it's obviously not sanctioned by look/rossi, and there are no templates/jigs available, as far as I know.

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[Shorty_J]

The rockerace should be available to the masses with normal brakes.

I actually prefer the spx heel to the pivot and the toe is the same.

That being said, I don't care enough to buy a rockerace and make it work since I'm an 8 din skier and the normal spx works fine for me. I'm also ok with the 12/14 toe as much as the 15 toe.

I have numerous pairs of skis with spx toes and there is no play in any of them. I can't say the same for solly sth.

The rockerace colour options are nice, however, and if it were easy I would go that route.

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