The Atomic Ski Boot Thread

[SnowMachine]

I have a pair of Remedy. I am hurt right now, but feeling better by the day. I will get into them later this week. I am hearing really great things from friends that have skied them.

[SnowMachine]

ONK, can I drop some observations on the Remedy? I have not skied them yet, but they are on my feet right now.

[onenerdykid]

More info coming this week.

[SnowMachine]

More info coming this week.

I will hold my thoughts for now. Really a move in the right direction!! I picked them up and immediately put them on the scale. Woof!! Substantial boot.

[radam]

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Alright, got a question. I have a pair of Redster Pro 120s, 2014/15 era. These ones https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&amp;amp;...AAAAAdAAAAABAE I&#39;ve been running them with Intuition wrap liners (made for Dalbellos, so softer than a power wrap, but I think stiffer than an alpine model). These work well for my skinny ankle and heel, but wider forefoot, or at least my preference for more open toeboxes due to Raynaud&#39;s. I am in a 27.5, fit that way by a good bootfitter, so I think I&#39;m in the right size, or at least the right shape boot for me. I have Masterfit Instaprint Snow, foot is well supported, fit seems good, although I do get some instep pinching especially if I don&#39;t get the wrap to lie super neatly. ANYWAYS.. The boots had been feeling great this year until yesterday when I was out in single digits temps. I&#39;ve only done mild days in them so far and forgot how much I hate them when it&#39;s cold. I felt like I just could flex them or get forward, was constantly in the backseat, didn&#39;t quite ruin the day but made it tough to do what I wanted. So my question is... Is it worth having a fitter soften the boot a bit, but maybe ending up with something I dislike in normal/warmer temps? Or what boot should I look to for a replacement? FWIW They feel plenty stiff enough until getting to 60deg+ spring skiing, and that&#39;s not a typical use case for me, I usually switch to bikes when we get to that weather.</div>
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Edit to add: I also spent some time last season in a pair of older Hawx Ultra 130S boots. They were used when I got them, I believe they made have had a full mold at some point, and I also did a a gentle heat mold to get a little more toebox volume. I only had half a day on them before doing this, and then ran them both with stock liners as well as with a pair of Intuition Pro Tongues, and found them to perform fairly well but 1) I really missed the dampness of the Redsters and 2) They would feel very stiff and responsive but then just blow through all their flex at times if I hit a pile of snow at speed, smashed into a mogul, etc. I know others have reported this and I had hoped that as a lighter skier I wouldn&#39;t run into it, so whether its just too different from the Redster or the heat molding f&#39;d them up, I don&#39;t know.</div>
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[onenerdykid]

The forums really seem to be acting up and not letting me quote nor attach images. Not sure what the deal is... If I'm being dumb, someone please let me know what I seem to be missing. Here are some of the product highlights of the new Redster TX and Remedy boots.

Redster TX (Team Cross) series: 130, 120, 110 and 100 LC, 80 LC
• Made using the Redster TR (the full World Cup race boot) outer mold but with a wider last for increased comfort and a more manageable flex. This replaces the CS.
• 96mm last (26.5) – retains much of the outgoing CS fit but with more toe space.
• 0.0° sole canting – no longer sole canted.
• New Formula plastics that are more temperature stable. Still PU, just more consistent, more predictable across a wide range of temperatures. Every globe won by Atomic athletes in the last 3 years has used this plastic. Found in the 130 flex model (F4 material). 120 & 110 are "regular" polyurethane (ether) materials.
• The World Cup race boots use a new flex hierarchy: 1-6 (lower the number, softer the boot). TX uses a traditional 3-digit flex index as this will be compared to more “normal” boots, even though there is not much “normal” happening here…
• Anatomic Toe Box – more squared out and longer than before. Allows the foot to sit more naturally in the shell. The tip sealing has been moved forward 9mm vs. TI which allows for better forefoot wrapping and improved fit, comfort, and responsiveness.
• Power Chassis – the toe and heel of the sole are connected with a powerful bridge that increases torsional stability by 30%.
• Grind Grid – a 1.5cm grid pattern is laser etched into the last providing boot fitters with grid on the inner shell wall for more accurately making stretching and grinding modifications.
• New Depth Guide boot board has 2mm deep grooves in it allowing boot fitters to accurately gauge grinding modifications. 0.0° canting angle, no varus/valgus built into it. 4° ramp angle. Securely screwed into shell at the heel.
• New cuff alignment hardware that is backwards compatible with older boots. Same 4° of total motion but now with indicators every 0.25°.
• Metal Power Control from our aftermarket “Speed Cuff” on the cuff spine. Adjusts forward lean angle 16°-18°. Add the upper screw to lock your forward lean and cuff alignment settings in place.
• New Magnesium Elite buckles that are lower profile and better at deflecting impacts & gate strikes.
• New microfiber and memory foam liner construction that is made following athlete specification. Uniquely built for the TX last shape.
• Ankle Retention System – Borrowed from mountaineering boot lacing patterns, this simple yet incredibly effective lace guide generates more mechanical advantage around your ankle when lacing up the liner.
• True size 21/21.5, featuring a 256mm BSL.
• 130, 120, 110 models can use our TX-specific RTX Alpine Norm ISO 5355 or GripWalk ISO 23223 pads. Both are Cantology compatible for those shops looking for the ability to sole cant boots.

Remedy 130
• Redster TX but more fun. Developed with our Freeride World Tour and freeski athletes who used a Redster boot. This has the modifications we used to do to a CS in order to make it freeski/all-mountain ready.
• Same exact specifications and build as the TX 130
• ShockStopper boot board & ShockStopper liner spoiler
• GripWalk equipped.
• And of course, Butter.

There will be a Blister Gear:30 episode dropping this Friday (07 February) where we go into a lot more detail. And tangents.

[iriponsnow]

TY / Interesting. I have found the CS to be wide in the forefoot / toes. Is the TX wider still?

[DoubleBogey]

I have a pair of Remedy. I am hurt right now, but feeling better by the day. I will get into them later this week. I am hearing really great things from friends that have skied them.

Ok, lets hear you thoughts

[Jean Poudreuse]

Somebody know what Blisters say about the Remedy in their flash review?

[DoubleBogey]

Their full review is up and not paywalled.

[Jean Poudreuse]

I only have access to the first look.
[Editor s Note : Our &ldquo;First Looks&rdquo; are our way of getting you information sooner on some of the products we re reviewing, including our measured specs and the details from the manufacturer. Once we ve started testing a given product, we detail our on-snow impressions in our Flash Reviews and our annual Winter Buyer s Guide. When we re able to spend extensive time testing a given product, we publish our in-depth Full Reviews and Deep Dive Comparaisons.]

[DoubleBogey]

Yeah, my bad.

[onenerdykid]

@Iriponsnow - same forefoot width at the metatarsals, but more toe space.

[DoubleBogey]

So 28.5 is the largest size in the Remedy for the foreseeable future?

[SnowMachine]

Their full review is up and not paywalled.

Cats out of the bag, so here we go. I will do this before reading the Blister review. I have NOT skied the boot yet. I am nursing an injury and hope to ski it later this week. First thing I did when I picked it up next to my Hawx RS was put it on the scale. It is substantial: 2370 grams to the Hawx 1950. The cuff (all) plastic feels amazing. Thick and workable, very different from the Hawx Ultra cuffs. I love the bootboard. Impact absorbing awesomeness. The liner has a foil layer under the footbed. I am curious if it will be warmer. Kind of a neat feature. The shape of the shell is different. Similar around the ankle and cuff. Looser around the heel. More square around the toes. The jury is out for me. I can ski the Hawx Ultra with zero shell work. The Remedy puts my foot to sleep. I think I would need space on both sides of my foot. Not sure if a grind or punch would be the answer, but it needs something. As is, I can ski it, so I will until my feet hurt. I love the new height of the toe box. I do not need anything to take up space over my toes like in the Hawx. It is definitely lower and longer. The build quality feels great. If I were blind folded I could be convinced it is a race boot with grip walk. Between the plastic and the ridge from to to heel. Matt would have to answer, but the bootboard feels lower in the boot. I suppose I could come up with a way to measure that. The liner feels very similar to the Hawx Ultra RS which is a great thing. With a Ultra RS on one foot and Remedy on the other, the Remedy does not grip the back of my ankle quite as tightly, but still has a very positive feel about the retention. I think it may work for people that could not do the Ultra heal pocket. Claimed forward lean I believe to be 16 degrees. It feels like all of that. In fact, I think it has a bit more lean than my Hawx RS when they are at 16 degrees. It feels fairly aggressive, but I like that. They come with a soft spoiler. I will be curious if it feels any different than a rigid spoiler. At this point the Ultra RS as I have mine set up (orthotic, 2mm spacer under my orthotic, 16 degrees, Booster strap, thin spoiler) is completely dialed as a 8 hour boot. No unbuckling. They just work. It will be hard for me to like the Remedy better, but I will give it a go. I really like a lot about it. I will update after I ski it. Probably this weekend. Edit: this site is FUBAR. Sorry about the giant paragraph.

[XavierD]

I’ll ask the obvious question. Why weren’t these developed with BOA?

[SnowMachine]

Huh... looks like I mostly agree with Jonathon. I'm excited to ski them and see if the liner packs enough to alleviate my crushed feet.

Nice boot, guys!!!

FWIW, the Ultra RS is a badass boot, too!!

[onenerdykid]

Largest size will be a 29/29.5, I'll let the Blister crew know.

[MCskid]

Remedy 110/120 in the future?

[onenerdykid]

Possibly! Until then the Redster TX 120 and 110 are available. Both are non-red and can easily be turned into a "Remedy".

[PeaHead96]

Wondering how the Remedy compares to the Hawx Ultra in fit for the instep, ankle, and cuff.

As a person with super skinny legs and a high attach calf muscle — the Hawx Ultra is the best fitting boot for me I’ve tried so far. I do wish the instep was lower though.


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[MCskid]

[QUOTE=onenerdykid; Both are non-red and can easily be turned into a "Remedy".[/QUOTE]

Why would you make race boots slower by making them ‘non-red’ ?

[SnowMachine]

Wondering how the Remedy compares to the Hawx Ultra in fit for the instep, ankle, and cuff. As a person with super skinny legs and a high attach calf muscle &mdash; the Hawx Ultra is the best fitting boot for me I&rsquo;ve tried so far. I do wish the instep was lower though. Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

See my notes below. I would say that the instep is the same. I added a 2mm spacer under my orthotic to reduce volume ove my toes and instep.

Out of the box the Hawx fits me better. I&#39;ll play with the Remedy a bit.

[normie17]

looks sick, kinda sucks the 110 and 120 have the brokie plastic.

[normie17]

will any of them be available early? remedy or 110-130 tx?