The Atomic Ski Boot Thread

[Gate11]

Great info in this thread and the podcast. Thanks Matt.

On the Backland XTDs, one question I haven't seen answered yet - BSLs. I have CAST/Pivot bindings with a very small adjustment range, and def do not want to redrill. So boot swaps are fraught with BSL fear. Any specs ready to share?

[Eluder]

Great info in this thread and the podcast. Thanks Matt.

On the Backland XTDs, one question I haven't seen answered yet - BSLs. I have CAST/Pivot bindings with a very small adjustment range, and def do not want to redrill. So boot swaps are fraught with BSL fear. Any specs ready to share?

That would be an odd combo.

[Gate11]

That would be an odd combo.

Odd in what way?

[Eluder]

Odd in what way?

EDIT: They have ISO 9523 touring soles, Pivots (and CAST) work with DIN and Gripwalk. They make both 9523 and GW versions of this boot

Also, they are a light boot for such a heavy and burly binding setup.

[Eluder]

They have ISO 9523 touring soles, Pivots (and CAST) work with DIN and Gripwalk.

Also, they are a light boot for such a heavy and burly binding setup.

I just remembered they are making a GW version of this boot sorry. The second point still exists, but I get it if that is what you got.

[Gate11]

They have ISO 9523 touring soles, Pivots (and CAST) work with DIN and Gripwalk.

Also, they are a light boot for such a heavy and burly binding setup.

Cast has ISO 9523 (https://casttouring.com/products/fre...39368883929165) . Also, the Backland XTDs will have a Gripwalk version, so...doesn't seem odd to me.

[aguo5520]

Is it possible to get actual replaceable soles installed on redster club sport 130s, like most non-racing downhill boots have? If so, what's the process?

[Eluder]

Cast has ISO 9523 (https://casttouring.com/products/fre...39368883929165) . Also, the Backland XTDs will have a Gripwalk version, so...doesn't seem odd to me.

I didn't realize they were selling the WTR AFD as 9523 now. It won't release consistently as they state but the GW option is there for sure. I personally can't find a reason why I would use my light weight touring boots on either of my CAST setups but You should do you.

[Eluder]

Is it possible to get actual replaceable soles installed on redster club sport 130s, like most non-racing downhill boots have? If so, what's the process?

Have a boot shop Install these, then router the toe and heels back to DIN

I think they are called Dual Compound Soles. You could just use some standard Lifters if you didn’t need/want rubber

[Gate11]

I didn't realize they were selling the WTR AFD as 9523 now. It won't release consistently as they state but the GW option is there for sure. I personally can't find a reason why I would use my light weight touring boots on either of my CAST setups but You should do you.

Yeah. I've used my Cast system with both GW and 9523. I can attest that, with the 9523 setup, it's not perfect. I'd like to shift back to GW without adding a pound to each ankle. Huge kudos to the Atomic team for slotting this boot in-between the Hawx ltd and the Backland.

[Eluder]

Yeah. I've used my Cast system with both GW and 9523. I can attest that, with the 9523 setup, it's not perfect. I'd like to shift back to GW without adding a pound to each ankle. Huge kudos to the Atomic team for slotting this boot in-between the Hawx ltd and the Backland.

I agree it is an intriguing boot.

[aguo5520]

The only ones I could find online don't ship to the US: https://www.xspo.com/atomic-dual-component-lifter-kit

Anyone know of a way to get my hands on a pair of these?

Have a boot shop Install these, then router the toe and heels back to DIN

I think they are called Dual Compound Soles. You could just use some standard Lifters if you didn’t need/want rubber

[bennettc14]

The only ones I could find online don't ship to the US: https://www.xspo.com/atomic-dual-component-lifter-kit

Anyone know of a way to get my hands on a pair of these?

Not sure where you’re based. Got mine at the Boot Pro in Ludlow, VT. They ship so might be worth calling to see if they have any left in stock.


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[nyskirat]

Really wish that Backland XTD was a 98mm last. Love my Hawx Ultra 130s and want a touring boot with a lil more oomph than the Backland Carbon or something similar. Really limited in 98mm lasts at that weight.

[onenerdykid]

Great info in this thread and the podcast. Thanks Matt.

On the Backland XTDs, one question I haven't seen answered yet - BSLs. I have CAST/Pivot bindings with a very small adjustment range, and def do not want to redrill. So boot swaps are fraught with BSL fear. Any specs ready to share?

BSL for a 26.5 = 297mm (same for 9523 or GW)

Add/subtract 10mm per mondo point size

[onenerdykid]

The only ones I could find online don't ship to the US: https://www.xspo.com/atomic-dual-component-lifter-kit

Anyone know of a way to get my hands on a pair of these?

Right now, we don't sell much online, D2C (especially lifters). You'll have to have visit a shop that stocks them or have a shop order them for you. But, as others have said, you're not done yet - you'll need the toes & heels routered, which not every shop is capable of doing. So, I would start your search with a shop that can perform the routering and then buy/order through them.

[gregL]

You'll have to have visit a shop that stocks them or have a shop order them for you.

As of a few days ago, Amer in Ogden has no dual compound Redster lifters in stock and no re-stock date, so if Boot Pro has them that's probably a good bet.

[bennettc14]

Hey Matt, any notable changes to the Professional liners for next season? Think the Professional Redster CS liners would play nicely with a Head Raptor WCR 140?

[panchosdad]

Apologies if you covered this earlier, but I have the Backlands with the mesh cover under the tongue, which is now both tearing and ripping free. 4 pretty good seasons so not surprising. Is it repairable?

[altacoup]

Another question for Matt. I’ve settled on buying a pair of hawk ultra xtd 130s for my touring boot. They seem to be the lowest volume touring boot on the market. That said there’s still some room in the forefoot I’ll need to take up. Yes I know a touring boot should have more room inthe forefoot but I’m stubborn and love a very precise fit not only in the ankle and heel but also all the way up to my toes. I believe it was stated earlier that next years model is slightly roomier in the forefoot. But I’ve also heard that the boa system compresses the last of the boot better than traditional buckles. Which got me thinking that I could have a roomier fit for the uphill and a precision fit for the down. Or am I over thinking it and should just buy this years boot before the shape changes? I ski a 93 last Doberman with very little work 100+ days a year.

[onenerdykid]

Hey Matt, any notable changes to the Professional liners for next season? Think the Professional Redster CS liners would play nicely with a Head Raptor WCR 140?

Yes - all 23/24 Mimic Professional liners will have a snugger fit from day one and a longer lasting fit. And yes, the Redster liner will play nicely with a Raptor. Depending on your foot volume, you might need to bump up to the Medium Volume tongue thickness given how spacious the new WCRs are.

[onenerdykid]

Apologies if you covered this earlier, but I have the Backlands with the mesh cover under the tongue, which is now both tearing and ripping free. 4 pretty good seasons so not surprising. Is it repairable?

Possible, we do sell the "water sealing" for first generation Backland boots but you will need to find a shop that specializes in gluing (usually those shops that do re-soling of touring, mountaineering, rock climbing shoes, etc.).

[onenerdykid]

Another question for Matt. I’ve settled on buying a pair of hawk ultra xtd 130s for my touring boot. They seem to be the lowest volume touring boot on the market. That said there’s still some room in the forefoot I’ll need to take up. Yes I know a touring boot should have more room inthe forefoot but I’m stubborn and love a very precise fit not only in the ankle and heel but also all the way up to my toes. I believe it was stated earlier that next years model is slightly roomier in the forefoot. But I’ve also heard that the boa system compresses the last of the boot better than traditional buckles. Which got me thinking that I could have a roomier fit for the uphill and a precision fit for the down. Or am I over thinking it and should just buy this years boot before the shape changes? I ski a 93 last Doberman with very little work 100+ days a year.

The new boot doesn't have a different shape toe box or last (it's the same last) but the liner is quite different (more anatomic) and the change from PA plastic to PU plastic results in a less rigid fit. PU is just more forgiving.

If you are just looking for a pure touring boot (i.e. no resort use) in soft snow, then the current model will be sufficient. But if you are looking for the best skiing version that is better suited for resort use, across all snow conditions, then the new 23/24 model will be the way to go.

[altacoup]

^^^
Do you feel that the boa system on next years boot does effectively narrow the last of the forefoot when tightened down vs compressing the foot down like a traditional buckle?

[onenerdykid]

^^^
Do you feel that the boa system on next years boot does effectively narrow the last of the forefoot when tightened down vs compressing the foot down like a traditional buckle?

The better way to describe it is that the BOA version more uniformly & evenly wraps the foot vs. compressing the foot down like a traditional buckle. I don't want to say it "narrows the last" because that treads too closely to what some other brands are saying with regard to BOA can turn a medium volume boot into a low volume boot. That's utter nonsense and simply doesn't happen. But it does wrap the foot better and produce a more comfortable fit vs. buckles.