Base Bevels Beyond 1 Degree

[ZomblibulaX]

Bushy has entered the chat!

For blending the bevels after filing, all you do is rub the transition area with a diamond stone right? Or is there a better way to do it?

You can do it while your filing if you pay attention to what you're doing and where. But yeah, a 400 grit diamond will blend it in with a couple freehand strokes.

[SoVT Joey]

Do some of that. Bring inside hand up. Break at hips. Bring shoulders level. Less pole flailing. Ski on downhill ski.

but definitely flex ankle.

[Core Shot]

Do some of that. Bring inside hand up. Break at hips. Bring shoulders level. Less pole flailing. Ski on downhill ski.

but definitely flex ankle.

Heh. This thread has lulz.

But yeah. What he said.
You’re making high speed athletic turns with a wider stance, which is fun. but you’re on your uphill ski. And your body needs to be upright. And your hands should match the slope.

Once you learn to ski I will respect your edge bevel opinions.

Come to think of it, maybe skiing the uphill ski is why you like more bevel. That has to be super awkward edge change going into the next turn.

Getting back on point. 0.5 degrees is fun. But a bit more hooky. I’m stuck on 1 degree. No need for more. Don’t need less.

[chewski]

That is helpful. I am quick to address people on here as possibly, probably, or definitely better than me. But I know the differences of trying things back to back. I definitely don't add base bevel FOR carving, but rather it allows me to ski faster and smoother off trail. My point was simply that it hardly PREVENTS getting a ski to hook up. With that said I am always open to getting better so will keep these things in mind

[old goat]

Probably. I do not have any formal training and am open to pointers

My pointer is to never post a picture of yourself skiing on TGR unless you're almost totally obscured by flying powder.

The main reason not to increase the base bevel is that you'll lose of base if you don't like it and have to grind it flat to reset it.

[m2711c]

meh, skis are a consumable item. grind away, they ain’t gonna last forever anyway…

[SoVT Joey]

meh, skis are a consumable item. grind away, they ain’t gonna last forever anyway…

Bingo.

I think about how many times I grind a race ski and can’t even start to comprehend where normal people worry about that.

[rod9301]

you really are not that good and are using your inside ski as an in rigger.

With that said I use 1.5 on some of my wider ski and they still carve well on ice and eastern firm snow.

Rod do you have video of yours skiing?

No, i don't, but believe me that i know how to carve and I'm a pretty good skier.


And you're right, he uses the inside ski as z crutch, he would be much better off to keep his skis closer together which will put more weight on the outside ski

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[rod9301]

That's an interesting idea on how to check a skis performance without a re-drill... nice.

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If you're saying 2 degrees base, careful, it's very hard to go from 2 degrees back to 1 degree base. You may not have enough ptex to do it.
This was my case, there was no way to go from 1.5 to 1, because i didn't have enough base material

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[Core Shot]

That is helpful. I am quick to address people on here as possibly, probably, or definitely better than me. But I know the differences of trying things back to back. I definitely don't add base bevel FOR carving, but rather it allows me to ski faster and smoother off trail. My point was simply that it hardly PREVENTS getting a ski to hook up. With that said I am always open to getting better so will keep these things in mind

Off piste you don’t need edges.
On piste out west, you don’t need edges.
Doug Coombs quick and dirty tune cracked me up. I hade been doing that for years.
Moved to the ice coast, and now I sharpen razor blades. 1degree 3 degree sure has more bite.

My pointer is to never post a picture of yourself skiing on TGR unless you're almost totally obscured by flying powder.

Yep. It’s buttahflake version 2

We are all better in our minds than in reality.

Chewski you’re having fun. But try to load the downhill ski more. It’s all good. At least you’re not telemarketing

[ticketchecker]

^^the problem with Jackson Hole is it’s got 10’ rocks


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[Djongo Unchained]

Yeah, my edges are properly rounded.

I gave up on sharp edges many moons ago. About 3% of the time, I wish they were sharper. Other than on the ultra slick, I can roll up onto the sidewall and dig that in.
Wax is more important to me.

Also, I find it hard to believe that a soft gummi or even a few swipes from a harder stone will make a noticeable difference on a hardened steel edge.
It takes some work just to knock down a burr with a file. Soft passes with tools get ya nuttin', imo.

As soon as I saw the pics, I knew the comments were getting loaded into the bomb bay. Pretty funny, but OP has remained humble in response, so there's that.

OP, come to Jackson and we'll get your edges dialed in pronto.

[Skistack]

I’ve tuned my own skis for decades, but what are you guys using to accurately measure base bevels?


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

LASERS!!


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[gwat]

Also, I find it hard to believe that a soft gummi or even a few swipes from a harder stone will make a noticeable difference on a hardened steel edge. .

I feel sorry for y’all who don’t appreciate a properly tuned ski. 😓

[Mudfoot]

FWIW In the late 70's I met a World Cup Downhill racer. He as not first string but was a forerunner at the Hanemkom that year. He said he and a few of the guys increased their base bevel because they liked a more floatie feeling. I assumed they did not want to catch an edge at 70 mph. Probably not practically relevant to this discussion but thought I'd throw it in.

[gwat]

^ya it’s not a 70s thing, tech skis have flatter base edges and speed skis more bevel.

[yeahman]

I’ve tuned my own skis for decades, but what are you guys using to accurately measure base bevels?


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I don't know how accurate it is, but I use one of these. (Actually I have two, so I don't need to keep switching the file between base and side bevel.)

[iriponsnow]

Do some of that. Bring inside hand up. Break at hips. Bring shoulders level. Less pole flailing. Ski on downhill ski.

but definitely flex ankle.

This is now Joey’s profile pic in my phone

[Djongo Unchained]

I feel sorry for y’all who don’t appreciate a properly tuned ski. 

Y'all says it all.

My skis are as dialed as anyone's in here. I just don't require a supertune to ski well.
I'm sure as fuck not wasting time trying to refine a 1/2 degree bevel.

Maaaaybe if I lived where the surface is slicker than goose shit, I'd sharpen up. But I don't, so I won't.

And your response doesn't exactly address my comment that you quoted.
Your soft gummi ain't doin' dick on that edge except shining off the rust.

[XXX-er]

the file holder in the last pict can only take the file that comes with guide which is ok until the file gets dull but get one that will hold any file

you can see how your edge job is going by coloring the edge with a sharpie and then see how much of it you take off

a little piece of emery paper with a high grit# for dulling edges, I take it out with me and try dulling small amounts like an inch at a time

yeah post pictures of gear but not of yourself skiing

[MagnificentUnicorn]

the file holder in the last pict can only take the file that comes with guide which is ok until the file gets dull but get one that will hold any file

you can see how your edge job is going by coloring the edge with a sharpie and then see how much of it you take off

a little piece of emery paper with a high grit# for dulling edges, I take it out with me and try dulling small amounts like an inch at a time

yeah post pictures of gear but not of yourself skiing

They make replacement files for that multi tuner


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[rod9301]

I’ve tuned my own skis for decades, but what are you guys using to accurately measure base bevels?


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I use feeler gauges, measure the distance under the edge and calculate the angle. Reasonably accurate.

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[rod9301]

the file holder in the last pict can only take the file that comes with guide which is ok until the file gets dull but get one that will hold any file

you can see how your edge job is going by coloring the edge with a sharpie and then see how much of it you take off

a little piece of emery paper with a high grit# for dulling edges, I take it out with me and try dulling small amounts like an inch at a time

yeah post pictures of gear but not of yourself skiing

The sharpie method tells you if the bevel is more then the file angle, but not by how much

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[yeahman]

They make replacement files for that multi tuner


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Yep and diamond files too.