Older (2013) Marker Griffon AFD Height Adjustment?!

[ipmcc]

I have an older pair of skis circa 2012-13 season. The shop I took them to confirmed the bindings are still on the indemnity list, and tuned them up based on one of my pairs of boots (and my current weight, height, etc, etc, etc.) I now want to use my other pair of boots with them. They're both Head Raptors; one pair is the 115 flex, and circa 2013 (so probably considerably <115 at this point), and the other pair are the RS140s and are circa 2018, and are still remarkably stiff. (I rode the 115s a lot in deep snow in Canada n 2019, but now I'm out east in the US, I want something with less flex.)

The older Griffons... I'm puzzled... I can't seem to find any AFD height adjustment. The head screw at the front of the toe moves it back and forth longitudinally along the mount; it does not move the AFD up and down, like on the newer Griffons. I found some marketing vids from back in the day and they claim that these Griffons have a "floating" AFD. I can confirm that the AFD pad does slide back and forth on a spring-loaded track with minimal effort. But for the life of me, I can't find any way to raise or lower it.

With the 115s, the business card pulls out with light resistance like you would normally expect. But the 115s have probably 5+ seasons more of walking-around wear on them than the 140s do. With the 140s, the business card is in there tight, and stays firmly sandwiched between the AFD pad and the 140's toe as I try to pull on it.

Am I missing something? I know where the DIN screw is (duh), I've seen the head screw moving the toe binding back and forth along the mount, but I can't find any AFD adjustment screw. Is the "floating AFD" supposed to eliminate (or more likely pre-date) an AFD height adjustment? Anyone have a pair of these and know the answer? LMK. Thanks

[skisurfmirth]

It’s been a long time since I owned any griffon/jester of that era but I’m pretty sure back then they did not have a toe height adjustment.


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[gregL]

If your binding has a screw on the front that moves the toepiece fore/aft on a track, it is not a standard Griffon but a Griffon Demo. For a few years the Demo version had no AFD height adjustment, since only maniacs would try to demo a ski with anything other than an alpine sole and WTR and GripWalk didn't exist. I wouldn't worry about it since you have a sliding AFD but there's not much you can do about it anyway.

A standard first-gen Griffon had a screw in the back of the AFD; when the AFD moved rearward it went lower. The current regular Griffon has a screw in the front of the toepiece which moves the AFD forward or back (forward is lower, opposite of the first-gen).

[ipmcc]

Thanks gregL. I may indeed have "demo" bindings; the longitudinal adjustability has always seemed weird to me compared to my other skis. I guess I agree that, as you pointed out, there's not much I could/would do at this point: Ten year old skis, ten year old bindings. Still serviceable, and apparently still indemnified, but I'm not going to put new bindings on skis this old. I just don't want to blow myself up with a failure-to-release accident. At this point I'm old, and rocking a pretty low DIN anyway (not to mention not hucking cliffs any more, etc). Thanks.

[skisurfmirth]

Mine must have been a demo back then too.


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[counterfeitfake]

I have a Jester Pro question and didn't want to make a whole new thread.

I got a used pair of skis with older Jester Pros. I believe they are not the Sole ID/Gripwalk compatible version. They do have the adjustable-height, sliding AFD.

Looking for forum opinions, how sketchy is it to ski these with a Gripwalk sole?

[Lord Thomas]

I have a Jester Pro question and didn't want to make a whole new thread.

I got a used pair of skis with older Jester Pros. I believe they are not the Sole ID/Gripwalk compatible version. They do have the adjustable-height, sliding AFD.

Looking for forum opinions, how sketchy is it to ski these with a Gripwalk sole?

I've got this exact same question. Bump for an answer.

[stuntmanbo]

My friend got 3 old griffon like this (same era), what’s funny is, on one the AFD can be set lower enough to accommodate his Salomon WTR boots, on the 2 other ones, it’s like 1 or 2 mm short.

The one where it’s low enough, I don’t see how that’d be a problem since the afd moves and we did the paper sheet method between the afd and the boot.

[waxman]

I've got this exact same question. Bump for an answer.

jester pro had adjustable toe height by disassembling the toe and putting it back together at the right height by lining up a sort of tongue and groove assembly

[tenB]

I have a Jester Pro question and didn't want to make a whole new thread.

I got a used pair of skis with older Jester Pros. I believe they are not the Sole ID/Gripwalk compatible version. They do have the adjustable-height, sliding AFD.

Looking for forum opinions, how sketchy is it to ski these with a Gripwalk sole?

Sketchy AF. Even though you can get the right toe height adjustment, the gripwalk sole behind the boot afd will hang up on lateral releases. We’ve tested it and releases were very inconsistent.

The new version griffin ID has the same hole pattern