SCARPA 4 Quattro

[kootenayskier]

I’ve been getting lots of quality time in my 4Q Pros. Still loving the combination of all day comfort and strong skiing performance. Found the power strap pretty useless, difficult to tighten and often slipped off the low front, so I ditched it with no Ill effects. Changing into ski mode doesn’t engage as consistently as I’d like (perhaps some icing), but always does so eventually. I never bother with the lock switch. The liners have been comfortable and supportive so far, but I’m already (after ~ 20 days) buckling them a couple of notches tighter than where I started. They appear to be high quality HD Intuition liners, so I’m hoping I reach some equilibrium before I max out the instep buckle (I only have one hook remaining, so will likely add a heel wedge soon). Overall pretty stoked.
People often ask if they could work as an inbounds boot? For me, for me I imagine that if I dropped in a supportive mid volume liner (I like Intuition Alpine Wraps) and adapted my setups to the different stance angle (and perhaps add a Booster strap), then the answer is yes.

[mr_pretzel]

The foam in the stock liner is much softer than the current intuition tour liners, it’s also thinner. If they’re getting sloppy just get a 12mm intuition tour wrap or tour tongue in there.

[stuntmanbo]

If a 2025 299mm Maestrale RS fits me, will a 299mm Quattro Pro fit me ? How similar are they reg fit, I understand its the same lower. I would use some full tilt wrap liner. Is the Quattro Pro way stiffer than the Maestrale RS, or just better / more progressive ?

[PeaHead96]

If a 2025 299mm Maestrale RS fits me, will a 299mm Quattro Pro fit me ? How similar are they reg fit, I understand its the same lower. I would use some full tilt wrap liner. Is the Quattro Pro way stiffer than the Maestrale RS, or just better / more progressive ?

IME, yes.

Quattro has lower cuff height and no instep buckle like the Maestrale though. So that makes them feel differently when flexing. I think Maestrale feels more progressive while Quattro feels more linear. Quattro is definitely stiffer than Maestrale.

I have a low instep and skinny legs. So I actually get better performance out of the Maestrale since it’s easier for me to drive a boot where my foot-ankle-leg interface has more direct contact with the shell — even though the Quattro is a much more powerful boot.


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[stuntmanbo]

Ok thanks.Looks like the Maestrale RS is the better option for me then as I don't need stiff boots (the shop doesnt have the regular Maestrale, but the RS did not feel that stiff)I've been using a Vulcan and a Mercury for the last 8 years (no tongue, no flex stoppers, wrap liner, booster strap, it's quite soft but progressive like this) and found a brand new pair for sale somewhere in my size, I'm wondering if there is a real improvement in switching to the Maestrale RS, maybe just getting a "new" Vulcan will do.

[wilcox510]

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Who has skied both the current Maestrale RS and Quattros? How much stiffer do the feel and how much taller does the cuff feel? I got some Maestrale RS because they fit me quite well, but I&#39;m pretty underwhelmed with the downhill performance coming from Zero Gs. They fit me much better (surprisingly to me the heel and ankle are lower volume than the Zero G which is my issue with them), but the cuff of the Maestrale is sooooo low it makes them feel super soft and I feel like I have no suport forward or backwards (this is clearly somewhat a sign of my lack of being balanced, but that isnt going to improve at my age...). The Maestrale ROM is soooo much better than the Zero G which is also sweet... I know people talk about the Quattro cuff being low, but is it going to feel like a big step up from the Maestrale?&nbsp;</p>
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I wish there was a Quattro without the Grip Walk sole, I would never use them in anything but tech bindings and I&#39;m leary of the Grip Walk sole for scrambling, thoughts?</p>
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Also, someone must have access to next years Scarpa catalog, anything new?</p>
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[Burney]

Has anybody held the Quattro half and whole size next to each other to compare? I tried on a half size but the good price on Telemark Pyrenees is only for the whole size. I know it’s the same shell but wonder how much different the liner is. Is it just molded differently so doing my own liner mold would get me to a similar spot as the half size? I may end up with an aftermarket liner anyways but would like to have the stock one that fits to begin with ….


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[MyNameIsAugustWest]

My recollection is theres no difference except for the POS stock footbed they throw in there. The larger size has a thicker one.But I could be full of shit.

[GoldenBC]

they mold the liner differently for the half vs whole size. Fundamentally it's the same boot. Once you mold that liner to your own foot, things will be much less different. Go for it. Remember, the half size is the same as the whole size above it.

[Burney]

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That’s all good news for me. My insoles and a quick bake will do the trick. Thanks for the info!


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[enginerd]

They fit me much better (surprisingly to me the heel and ankle are lower volume than the Zero G which is my issue with them), but the cuff of the Maestrale is sooooo low it makes them feel super soft and I feel like I have no suport forward or backwards (this is clearly somewhat a sign of my lack of being balanced, but that isnt going to improve at my age...). The Maestrale ROM is soooo much better than the Zero G which is also sweet... I know people talk about the Quattro cuff being low, but is it going to feel like a big step up from the Maestrale? </p>
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I wish there was a Quattro without the Grip Walk sole, I would never use them in anything but tech bindings and I'm leary of the Grip Walk sole for scrambling, thoughts?</

I also went to the Quattro xt from the zgtp.

I also noticed the significantly lower cuff height. It feels less stiff than the zgtp. The flex characteristic is nice but sometimes feels a little two “springy.”

I have not tried the maestrale. Has always been too much internal volume for me.

I’ve had zero issue scrambling in the Quattro XT. Don’t really notice the gripwalk. Definitely understand the concern looking at it, but hasn’t made a difference in practice for me.





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[Westcoaster]

I feel that high stiff booster mitigates the low cuff height, mostly.

[ezgzy]

I also moved from zgtp to quattro and overall i’m pretty happy. My main gripe is that i can’t get my gfts into the quattro and every time i take the boot on or off i have to rearrange the layers of the tongue and cuff because they get mixed up


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[asmvolatile]

Has anyone stepped up to the Pro from the XT and able to provide a more detailed comparison between the two? Is there a noticeable reduction in ROM or walkability with the Pro? Is the Pro noticeably more powerful? FWIW I’m a big guy and I find the XT stiff enough to drive big skis in tough snow in the backcountry but wouldnt hate more support, but not if it comes as a compromise to walkability. I would never dream of skiing either boot inbounds, backcountry only.

[kootenayskier]

Has anyone stepped up to the Pro from the XT and able to provide a more detailed comparison between the two? Is there a noticeable reduction in ROM or walkability with the Pro? Is the Pro noticeably more powerful? FWIW I’m a big guy and I find the XT stiff enough to drive big skis in tough snow in the backcountry but wouldnt hate more support, but not if it comes as a compromise to walkability. I would never dream of skiing either boot inbounds, backcountry only.

I haven’t skied the XT, but am pretty happy with the support and walkability of the Pros. Schirmer’s video addresses some of the differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u67nIlpqqNA

[Westcoaster]

@ezgzy (quotting doesn&#39;t work anymore it seems) +1 re gft
I too cannot get gft in the quattro. Has anyone succeeded? Big boot horn? I taped the shit out of mine with UHMWPE, which helps immensely for the stock liner, but I still fail booting in with gft.

[Robik]

I'm in 28.0 Quattro Pro and 27.5 GFT. It's definitely tough to get it in. I usually pull the black plastic tongue all the way forward, ripped an elastic piece that connects the tongue to the shell and always using the boot horn.
With the stock liner I just slide in non WC style.

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[WhetherMan]

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Ive owned both the XT and the pro, though I dont have a ton of days in either. Pretty sure they walk exactly the same? The pro comes setup in the most forward lean position which might make the rearward motion feel shorter. And the pro liner has a big piece of plastic on the top half of the tongue which maybe somehow could reduce rom? Also pretty sure the shells are identical except for the reinforced walk mode anchor. Weightwise my size 30 pro shells are within a measurement error of the XT shells (6g). The extra weight is the piece of plastic on the liner.</p>
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I never skied them back to back, but my sense is that the differences are very small. Oh and the pro has an extra hole in the instep buckle catch so you can move it to accomodate a higher or lower instep.</p>
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This is my favorite touring boot but i do wish theyd made the cuff taller. Shortening the cuff is not weight savings that i ever want outside of basically a skimo race boot.</p>

[TahoeJosh]

I WC into the 4Q Pro’s with my GFT’s. I used a long UHMW tape “sandwich” to extend the rubber stalk thingy so it doesn’t get bent under the heel. I then just needy to lift up on the tongue to allow my foot to enter the clog without catching on the clog or the protrusions on the tongue. I have some posts with pictures and more details in the GFT thread.

[TahoeJosh]

Pictures of the UHMW tape extension. Works wonders! I make certain the tail is between my heel and the top of the cuff, and then I can use both hands to pull directly up on the tongue (which pulled apart the overlap, too) and allows my GFT-clad foot to easily slide in.

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[AlpiNord]

It was clearly foolish of me to hope last year’s XT break was a fluke. This time the year old replacements cracked all around the back of the heel, below the walk mode connection. Last year it cracked right at the walk mode connector.

Has there been similar failures with the Pros?


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[mr_pretzel]

It was clearly foolish of me to hope last year’s XT break was a fluke. This time the year old replacements cracked all around the back of the heel, below the walk mode connection. Last year it cracked right at the walk mode connector.

Has there been similar failures with the Pros?


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Is the clog walk mode connection wider on your new pair? Or the same as width as the og version.

The maestrale and Pro are both wider in the connection point on the clog. I haven’t heard of any failures on the pro yet, my pair hasn’t seen much use yet and is doing fine.

[AlpiNord]

Is the clog walk mode connection wider on your new pair? Or the same as width as the og version. The maestrale and Pro are both wider in the connection point on the clog. I haven&rsquo;t heard of any failures on the pro yet, my pair hasn&rsquo;t seen much use yet and is doing fine.

Last year&#39;s break: Today&#39;s:

[mr_pretzel]

Jeez these boots are POS, I feel cursed that these are one of the few AT boots that fit my dumb feet.

Just compared my broken XT's versus the pros, no difference in material thickness in that area, just the area that holds the lever is thicker along with the thicker lever itself. Seems like that would cause even more failures like yours as the connection point is even stronger.

[AlpiNord]

It’s a huge disappointment. I’ve been on Scarpas since their start in the eighties and nineties during my tele days and have owned several alpine versions prior to this with no issues. Their hiking and backpacking shoes and boots, along with their approach shoes have been great for me for decades.

During last year’s warranty replacement I almost went for another pair of Maestrales (my son has my older pair, and Freedoms) with a plan to get alpine boots….but these ski so sweet. Looks like back to the Hurricanes for a quick fix…..yet again.

Edit: just read a comment elsewhere that the XT Pro tele boots are also having issues, too.


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