SCARPA 4 Quattro

[Anachronist]

It looks like this year’s Maestrales are of similar materials and have the same walk/ski mode lock. Any word on whether or not they have the same issue as the 4 Quattro XTs?

My tried and true Hurricanes skied fine today and the lock reestablished confidence for those, but it’s destroyed for the Quattros. It’d be great if they come up with a bomber repair option for current boots and design a more robust option for 4 Quattro 2.0.


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I fondled some new Maestrales and the 4 Quattro XT at the store yesterday. The walk/ski mode lock is indeed very very similar, but the plastic holding in the pin on the maestrale is maybe 25% wider (viewed from the back) compared to the quattro and maybe a wee bit thicker as viewed from the side as well. No idea if it's enough of a change to fully prevent or mitigate this type of failure though.

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

I don't venture into exposed terrain any more and half the time, I ski with at least one of my boots in walk mode so I'm not too concerned about a failure other than having to figure out how to deal with Scarpa if it happens since I bought the boots used on here.

[mr_pretzel]

Has anyone tried the new maestrale? Is it as stiff as the quattro?

[AlpiNord]

I fondled some new Maestrales and the 4 Quattro XT at the store yesterday. The walk/ski mode lock is indeed very very similar, but the plastic holding in the pin on the maestrale is maybe 25% wider (viewed from the back) compared to the quattro and maybe a wee bit thicker as viewed from the side as well. No idea if it's enough of a change to fully prevent or mitigate this type of failure though.

Kinda wish I knew this yesterday. Scarpa has been very responsive and gave me the option to get the Maestrales in lieu of the Quattros. I was squarely on the fence. I ended choosing the Quattros again for their crossover versatility and I did really like their fit, skiing and walk mode.

The specs say 130 for the XTs and 125 for the RS and my sense was they would ski very similar. A former shop owner and along with the current owner tested/test lots of gear, including boots with similar flex ratings. Their opinion was that the ratings are highly subjective and could feel quite a dramatic range for the same ‘rating’.

Per Scarpa warranty rep:
“The new Maestrales this year have a slightly different fit, for the first time. It is slightly lower volume than before, although still probably not as low volume as the Quattro.”

EDITED: For the same 26.5/27 shell, the Quattros measure 298 (IIRC) and the Maestrales 308. I’d consider going down a size due to past experiences with each boot’s fit.

The replacements will also have a 1 year warranty from date of replacement.

I’ve had decades of great experiences using Scarpa hiking footwear, tele, alpine and BC boots and always liked their quality and fit. They have been great to work with and I’m expecting/hoping this breakage was more of a fluke than the norm.

They stated to me that this issue has a very low incidence rate.


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[lazyasian]

I’ve had decades of great experiences using Scarpa hiking footwear, tele, alpine and BC boots and always liked their quality and fit. They have been great to work with and I’m expecting/hoping this breakage was more of a fluke than the norm.

They stated to me that this issue has a very low incidence rate.

For what it's worth they said the same to me when I was on my third warranty for the Maestrale RS toe crack issue that they eventually issued a recall for. I wouldn't put much stock in that claim.




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[GoldenBC]

Just saw a Quattro pro. Comes with a lock on the walk mode to prevent blowing it open and potentially a rubber sole, although that part sounds less likely. This one had a Maestrale sole glued to it. And the pro doesn’t use the recycled plastic.

[AlpiNord]

I fondled some new Maestrales and the 4 Quattro XT at the store yesterday. The walk/ski mode lock is indeed very very similar, but the plastic holding in the pin on the maestrale is maybe 25% wider (viewed from the back) compared to the quattro and maybe a wee bit thicker as viewed from the side as well. No idea if it's enough of a change to fully prevent or mitigate this type of failure though.

I went to check this out and it’s clear that they beefed up the anchor point for the latch:




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[Sargentdrufus]

Just saw a Quattro pro. Comes with a lock on the walk mode to prevent blowing it open and potentially a rubber sole, although that part sounds less likely. This one had a Maestrale sole glued to it. And the pro doesn’t use the recycled plastic.

No pics?

[WhetherMan]

Obviously everyone's use case varies but having a real touring sole would be a huge plus for me.

I haven't had time to do the fit work I need to, but if these work for me I'm wondering if some high quality epoxy and fiberglass cloth carefully and generously applied around the walk mode anchor would solve the problem. I've never applied it to boots, but in other contexts that combo is pretty burly.

Maybe I'm imagining it, couldn't find it in the thread, but did someone say they were using a pulse labs proflex with these?

[mr_pretzel]

Obviously everyone's use case varies but having a real touring sole would be a huge plus for me.

I haven't had time to do the fit work I need to, but if these work for me I'm wondering if some high quality epoxy and fiberglass cloth carefully and generously applied around the walk mode anchor would solve the problem. I've never applied it to boots, but in other contexts that combo is pretty burly.

Maybe I'm imagining it, couldn't find it in the thread, but did someone say they were using a pulse labs proflex with these?

Some dude on blister said that. I have no idea how you would attach them.

Punching these is a breeze if anyone cares. You only need the ball and your hands

[AlpiNord]

How truly different would they ski or tour adding touring soles to the Quattros vs the revised Maestrale RS? The crossover/GW sole is one of the desirable and unique capabilities of the boot.


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[GoldenBC]

Why would the sole change how they tour? The sole doesn’t interact with anything while touring. Skiing in an alpine binding could be more vague but the Maestrale soles that were used do have the hardened rubber contact points.

Soles are for walking.

[WhetherMan]

Yeah with the proliferation of mnc bindings it seems like the bigger compromise is gripwalk. You can't ski pivots with a touring sole but pretty much everything else is in play. But that's my bias, I have no interest in skiing the quattro inbounds and our touring frequently involves skis off scrambling.

If it was atomic ONK would just make both

[WhetherMan]

Quattro pro is gripwalk, stated weight of 1550 in a 27

[Karl_H]

Has the anchor point for the latch been redesigned on the Quattro SL, yet?

Looking to replace some 2017 Maestrale RS that recently broke above the cuff pivot. If the Quattro SL has been redesigned, I think I would prefer the Quattro to the Maestrale for resort use.

[AlpiNord]

Has the anchor point for the latch been redesigned on the Quattro SL, yet?

Looking to replace some 2017 Maestrale RS that recently broke above the cuff pivot. If the Quattro SL has been redesigned, I think I would prefer the Quattro to the Maestrale for resort use.

As of 12/18/23 from Scarpa: "The design on the current model has not changed", referring to Quattro XTs and I presume also true for the SLs.

[mr_pretzel]

Has the anchor point for the latch been redesigned on the Quattro SL, yet?

Looking to replace some 2017 Maestrale RS that recently broke above the cuff pivot. If the Quattro SL has been redesigned, I think I would prefer the Quattro to the Maestrale for resort use.

The quattro fit will not work for you at all coming from a 2017 maestrale

[mr_pretzel]

Mr Schirmer is in em now too. Green for next year I guess.

Any more info on this quattro pro? Who’s got the scarpa catalog and can post a screenshot

[Qilimanjaro]

That boot looks like it can fit a Dynafit boot inside with two fingers shell fit

[Andyski]

that’s the pro/green - there was a ‘24 scarpa product book in gear rumors thread but the link no longer works!

[WhetherMan]

I think the XT has a stated weight 50g lighter. Is anything else different?

[mr_pretzel]

50g heavier from the pebax cuff? How does that make it the pro?

[billhill]

2025 Scarpa Quattro Pro for your viewing pleasure. Stated flex is 135 I believe and no recycled materials in the shell. I will have more tech details next week

[AlpiNord]

Drool.....what's the width of the walk mode area at the pin? The Xts are just under 20mm.

I just received my replacements (thanks Scarpa!) and just molded them for some afternoon meadow skipping in this storm.

FWIW,Regarding the Intuition Home Fitting tips, there was no way I could get the sock I used all the way into the toe box. Breaking the rice into (3) different size socks works great plus having varying sizes for spot adjustments later could be useful.

2025 Scarpa Quattro Pro for your viewing pleasure. Stated flex is 135 I believe and no recycled materials in the shell. I will have more tech details next week

Wonder why no recycled materials? Per the XT tag, the recycled materials "are in no way inferior to standard products."

[billhill]

I don't have a boot to measure right now. Will have all the tech details/recycled story next week. Stay tuned..