SCARPA 4 Quattro

[funkendrenchman]

FYI, the SL has a slightly roomier fit than the XT across the instep. The XT was crazy tight out of the box and the SL is just normal tight.

[GoldenBC]

Did you swap liners between the two to eliminate the chance it is a liner difference?

[funkendrenchman]

Did you swap liners between the two to eliminate the chance it is a liner difference?

I didn't. It may very well be the liner.

I did just mold a pair with a pad on the instep and while it gives a little extra space there, these boots are still quite tight across that instep buckle.

Fit - F1 25.5 compared to 4-Quattro SL 26.0
- The F1 is shorter and lower in the toe box. The 4-Quattro feels roomy by comparison. I molded the F1 with a toe cap and the 4-Quattro with no toe cap.
- They seem pretty similar across the foot to the 6th toe area. The 4-Quattro is probably a bit narrower. I never found the F1 to fit like its last would indicate.
- The F1 seems to have a slightly better heel pocket for my heel. The 4-Quattro feels like it is a bit deeper, but doesn't hold quite as well. I think some pads will do the trick.
- The instep is much lower on the 4-Quattro. I have to run the buckle about as loose as it can go.

[garuda]

If anyone is looking for these boots in a size 27.5/28, I have a like new pair of Quattro XTs for sale. Skied only a few days and couldn't quite jive with the fit, but they are impressive in downhill capability and touring ROM. Send me a message if interested.

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

If anyone is looking for these boots in a size 27.5/28, I have a like new pair of Quattro XTs for sale. Skied only a few days and couldn't quite jive with the fit, but they are impressive in downhill capability and touring ROM. Send me a message if interested.

PM inbound.

If they're good enough for Bode...

[AlpiNord]

PM inbound.

If they're good enough for Bode...

With the Quattros today, I was skiing so far beyond my potential, that people stopped me and asked for Bode autographs.[emoji6]

Hope they fit. They do make carvers feel like you are on train tracks. Lots of fun this season.


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[Westcoaster]

I know they're not in the same weight class, but anyone have some comparison thoughts with the Cochise?

[frorider]

FYI, the SL has a slightly roomier fit than the XT across the instep. The XT was crazy tight out of the box and the SL is just normal tight.

I think the comments section on the wildsnow review of SL speculated the big difference in instep fit was due to liner. Would be expensive for Scarpa to have different shell molds. But the wildsnow commenter who broke the Quattro heel mechs skiing moguls is a bit concerning.

FWIW one of the major AT retailers here in Cham was kinda negative on this boot. He’s had too many complaints about the weird walking feel and lack of grip when scrambling on rock / hard snow.

[AlpiNord]

I think the comments section on the wildsnow review of SL speculated the big difference in instep fit was due to liner. Would be expensive for Scarpa to have different shell molds. But the wildsnow commenter who broke the Quattro heel mechs skiing moguls is a bit concerning.

FWIW one of the major AT retailers here in Cham was kinda negative on this boot. He’s had too many complaints about the weird walking feel and lack of grip when scrambling on rock / hard snow.

On balance, the 4 Quattro, as a 1st gen alpine/AT crossover boot is still versatile and capable. But like an all mountain ski or Swiss Army knife, it will not be the perfect tool for every possible situation. Those expecting that will not be satisfied.

I could see if you bashed bumps a lot that the boot lock could be a potential weak point on these and possibly a lot of AT boots. I’ve skied a lot of bumps this year but tend to carve around or over them to avoid impacts and no problems, yet. Good to know on the failures.

It is definitely weird walking up inclines on hard snow when locked. And like any alpine boot without rockered toes and the grip isn’t as good as a Vibram sole. The grip walk toe is awkward at first and takes some adaptation. I ruled out rock scrambling when I got them.

Edit: How might the binding elasticity of (or lack of) affect the stress on a boot lock?

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[XXX-er]

I think the comments section on the wildsnow review of SL speculated the big difference in instep fit was due to liner. Would be expensive for Scarpa to have different shell molds. But the wildsnow commenter who broke the Quattro heel mechs skiing moguls is a bit concerning.

FWIW one of the major AT retailers here in Cham was kinda negative on this boot. He’s had too many complaints about the weird walking feel and lack of grip when scrambling on rock / hard snow.

the mercury/ vulcan which was suposed to be the same boot more or less, but when i switched from Mercury to the Vulcan the clog/ boot was just a hair smaller and eventualy I got the liner remolded at intuition with the buckles cranked down a ladder or 2 cuz it was just too tight

so I believe adding plastic is possible

[sf]

It is definitely weird walking up inclines on hard snow when locked.

What do you mean?

[AlpiNord]

What do you mean?

If the boot sole is flat relative to the slope and there is no boot/ankle flex, your leg is at an awkward angle. The toe is slick with zero grip, too. If you can dig in the toe it's better and changes the leg angle. It's better to unlock them even for short sections.

[sf]

Ok, thanks.
So as long as you use the walk mode for, you know - walking - you’re good?

Not trying to be a smart ass here, just making sure I’m not missing anything.

Anyhow. Have toured a lot on OG Solly Labs with a Sole Lab Intuition liner. Primarily skied inbounds with a Cochise 130 with Surefoot liner and a big ass calf spoiler.

Bought Zero G scouts, but not really loving them. Feels like less boot than I want, too little forward lean, and not a lot of support in the back - probably related to not getting a tight fit around my calves.

Tall guy, skinny legs.

Could the xt or sl be a better fit for me? Obviously have to try them on, but in principle they sound intriguing

[AlpiNord]

Ok, thanks.
So as long as you use the walk mode for, you know - walking - you’re good?

Not trying to be a smart ass here, just making sure I’m not missing anything.

Yes. Pro tip: use walk mode for walking and ski mode for skiing.[emoji6]

I almost fell on my ass scrambling up a snow bank from a parking lot to cat track while locked. Then the reverse getting back down. Even walking on the flats, walk mode is the call.


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[FullStop]

I tried a pair of XTs on and while the fit was impressive, they felt pretty soft on the carpet flex (vs my usual lupo T.I.)

[Turnem]

I love my XTs for everything. At one point when I was thinking they were too tight I was wishing for the SL. Then I took them to a better fitter and he dialed them in. Now I’m really happy with the XTs. I wouldn’t want a softer boot. I def use walk mode when not skiing. Traction on climbs is best of anything I’ve owned but I don’t spend time on super rocky terrain…. Mostly just hard snow and boot pack.

[TG]

I REALLY like the way these boots ski. For the last few years, I have primarily skied in my light boots (Alien RS) as I really enjoy the efficiency they offer. That said, I still wanted a boot that I could both ski inbounds and also take on tours when I want better downhill performance than my Aliens offer. I am not very tolerant of boots that walk poorly.

since you've skied both, how would you compare the fit to that of the Alien RS?

[AlpiNord]

For future reference, what Intuition liner is used (or would replace) the 4 Quattro XT liner?


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[GoldenBC]

Are you looking for the liner that is closest to the original liner or are you wanting to upgrade the fit? The latter would depend on how the shell fits you.

[AlpiNord]

Mainly just curious which one is the closest match for now and reference. Also, might as well find out which other options might be worth considering for future replacement if needed. TIA


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[mr_pretzel]

So I finally got to try a pair of these today and I’m stoked, I think theyre the best skiing + walking touring boot I’ve tried so far (Hawx XTD 130, Hoji Free 130, Lange freetour, lange xt3, mindbender 130, lupo, ZGTP)
My inbounds boot is Lange ZBs with zipfits and I’m a 25.5 at 6,1 190lbs with lots of ankle ROM so I just blow through the flex on most boots deforming the lower shell and crushing my achilles/haglunds. All of this has made me super picky and an absolute hater of all touring boots. The ZGTP has been the closest for me so far but I absolutely hate how upright that boot is and get upset almost everytime on the first run with them.

For the Quattro XT I liked the forward lean and the lower volume fit, I skied them with a zipfit GFTs which made them ski super well. They are decently stiff without much lower shell deformation, they also have good lateral stiffness and just feel solid. The instep is really low though and I definitely need to punch for my big toes, sixth toe and my malleolus on both sides. They aren’t what I would consider a 100mm fit at all in the toebox or at all.

Golden/anyone else, have you worked on these yet? Anything to watch out for or just straight forward grilamid work?

[GoldenBC]

The carbon reinforced plastic at the back half of the boot needs to be punched carefully. Slowly and not too big.

The rest of the plastic is standard scarpa. I find it marks up really easily and the cup of the punch will leave marks and a negative punch. Don’t heat up too hot and cool the surface down before punching. Don’t hold the punch on one place too long. Ideally, use a punch that only puts pressure from the inside if you care about marking.

[FullStop]

So I finally got to try a pair of these today and I’m stoked

High praise!
How does the power feel to you on snow compared to the Lupo?

I thought they carpet flexed a bit soft but that could've been the increased forward lean.
The low volume has me toying with the idea of them being my only boot but not sure if they'll be substantial enough.

[WhetherMan]

Golden or anybody else - has anyone punched this boot for a medial malleolus? I'm scared to. Did it work? Did it cause a bunch of weird friction in the walk mode? I'm guessing that part of the cuff is included in the carbon reinforced bit?

[mr_pretzel]

Golden or anybody else - has anyone punched this boot for a medial malleolus? I'm scared to. Did it work? Did it cause a bunch of weird friction in the walk mode? I'm guessing that part of the cuff is included in the carbon reinforced bit?

I punched mine a shit ton for my right ankle, absolutely no problem, the carbon isnt that high up. This boot punches like butter, i shaped the toebox on the ball with just my hands.