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    Which boot am I?

    Overlap boot that is about as powerful as a Lupo Pro HD, fits the foot about the same, has lower instep.

    Bonus points for a liner that doesn't crap out after 15 days.

    Never looked heavily into Dalbello's more race oriented boots, but they might work? Otherwise looked at Tecnica MACH1, lange RS130, Dobermanns, head wcr120s. Don't care about weight on these,inbounds only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Overlap boot that is about as powerful as a Lupo Pro HD, fits the foot about the same, has lower instep.

    Bonus points for a liner that doesn't crap out after 15 days.

    Never looked heavily into Dalbello's more race oriented boots, but they might work? Otherwise looked at Tecnica MACH1, lange RS130, Dobermanns, head wcr120s. Don't care about weight on these,inbounds only.

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    Fellow Lupo user that is often asked (told) to use other boots for testing & photoshoots.

    Mach1 - forget it, move on now ; really flexy & odd fitting. Current version is really lite - flimsy for inbounds.

    RS130 - I've skied it, like it - more neutral than the Lupo; needs a lil more nudge to ski. Liner is beefy, footbed & I could not get along.

    Dobermann GP 130 is likely what you seek ; I use this as my Carv equipped boot.

    Dobermann WC 150 - the on piste standard, loads of work to get in

    Dalbello DRS 130 - could work for u

    Dalbello DRS WC "M" aka the GS/Super G boot - more spacious than the Dobie WC & very spingy!

    Head - have not skied

    Obvious choice, get a Krpton ; more solid (not ness better for me) wrap liner & snugger fit, all the 3 piece u love.

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    Try sticking your foot in a Salomon S/Max 130.

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    I've settled on the Atomic Redster CS Professional and the Lange RS 130. Both fit more snugly around the midfoot and heel and have lower insteps (almost anything does) than the Lupo Pro HD. Both boots rip and the liners are good on the Lange, outstanding on the Atomic. Atomic may have more forward lean than you like . . .

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    Brilliant!

    Dobies even look great, with their Slayer color combo.
    Liners should last a season, give me enough time to save up for Zipfits. Maybe?

    Redsters have been on my list. Trouble is the liners; foam injected,right? Would need a competent shop to deal with?

    Salomons ; haven't skied a pair since Ghosts back a few years. Fit pretty well, admittedly.

    Kept the Kryptons off my list; thought they'd just fit the same as the Lupos, but apparently not? At least I thought the lowers would be identical, given all the Kryptolupo threads. If the instep is considerably lower, those would be very strong contenders. Plus, they look similar enough to my Lupos the wife would never know.

    The plan is to only use my Lupos for touring duties, as they ski really well, but the lack of instep tightness is a bit infuriating, need to remold my powerwraps way too often as a bandaid. Otherwise,the fit,flex and my stance in the Lupos are great.



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    I was between Dobermans and Speedmachine 130. Went Speedmachine as they fit so good with some minor 6th toe stretching. Awesome resort boot if they fit your feet.
    The new Dalbello Veloce 130 looks promising
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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Redsters have been on my list. Trouble is the liners; foam injected,right? Would need a competent shop to deal with?
    Well, yes, but there should be some such shops in Norway. Atomic doesn't sell the Professional liners/boots to all of their accounts, and they want assurances from their local reps that someone skilled is in the shop before they will send them an injection gun. It's actually way more foolproof than any other PU injection method and you can pretty much figure it out by watching the video, but there are some details like fitting the cartridge nozzle to the injection tubes you need to dial in before you shoot the foam. However, it's "one-and-done" so if you screw it up you need to get another liner.

    If you can't get to a skilled bootfitter at an Atomic shop, they do have the Redster CS with the regular Mimic liner which just takes a heat mold - but the difference in heel retention is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Try sticking your foot in a Salomon S/Max 130.
    Skied these too.... super vague feeling ; YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Brilliant!

    Dobies even look great, with their Slayer color combo.
    Liners should last a season, give me enough time to save up for Zipfits. Maybe?

    Redsters have been on my list. Trouble is the liners; foam injected,right? Would need a competent shop to deal with?

    Salomons ; haven't skied a pair since Ghosts back a few years. Fit pretty well, admittedly.

    Kept the Kryptons off my list; thought they'd just fit the same as the Lupos, but apparently not? At least I thought the lowers would be identical, given all the Kryptolupo threads. If the instep is considerably lower, those would be very strong contenders. Plus, they look similar enough to my Lupos the wife would never know.

    The plan is to only use my Lupos for touring duties, as they ski really well, but the lack of instep tightness is a bit infuriating, need to remold my powerwraps way too often as a bandaid. Otherwise,the fit,flex and my stance in the Lupos are great.



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    I have Dobie liners that have lived for 5-6 years, passed em along & buddy still skis them.

    Krypton / Lupo - its the liner. The wrap is vastly different, I find it too snug for all day efforts.

    As also mentioned the Veloce 130 is interesting ; I have a K2 Recon to test this year. Feels promising, but not skied yet.

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    Lange RS130 with power wraps and booster strap has been very nice for me. Took off one screw, so they're around 120 flex, because I often ski in colder than -20c and do extreme jumps in junior park with my son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    Well, yes. but there should be some such shops in Norway. Atomic doesn't sell the Professional liners/boots to all of their accounts, and they want assurances from their local reps that someone skilled is in the shop before they will send them an injection gun. It's actually way more foolproof than any other PU injection method and you can pretty much figure it out by watching the video, but there are some details like fitting the cartridge nozzle to the injection tubes you need to dial in before you shoot the foam. However, it's "one-and-done" so if you screw it up you need to get another liner.

    If you can't get to a skilled bootfitter at an Atomic shop, they do have the Redster CS with the regular Mimic liner which just takes a heat mold - but the difference in heel retention is huge.
    Cheers. Probably some in Norway,yeah, at least as probable that those are very far away from my location, unfortunately. I'll have to check it out when visiting my parents near Oslo. That's probably my crux with all boots; no real shops/fitters within 300+ kms.
    Quote Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
    I have Dobie liners that have lived for 5-6 years, passed em along & buddy still skis them.

    Krypton / Lupo - its the liner. The wrap is vastly different, I find it too snug for all day efforts.

    As also mentioned the Veloce 130 is interesting ; I have a K2 Recon to test this year. Feels promising, but not skied yet.
    Find that my PWs (in Lupos) pack out too quickly, so the highish instep becomes apparent fast, in the need for very tight buckles, or face a bit of heel lift and toe bang.

    The Dobies I can find at decent prices online. May go for them. Would a 26.5 be about the same lengthwise like my 26.5 lupos?

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    Lange RS130 with power wraps and booster strap has been very nice for me. Took off one screw, so they're around 120 flex, because I often ski in colder than -20c and do extreme jumps in junior park with my son.

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    I saw some pics on FB of something resembling extreme moves, Ville. Be careful, dude!

    If I could find RS 130LVs anywhere close to me, I'd love to give them a try.

    Irip: any chance you ever skied the Promachine 130 and can compare them to the Dobie 130s? Fit "sounds" good, cost the same as Dobies, and are quite a bit lighter. Not sure that's what I'm after, though.

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    Quit waffling and just buy 130 98mm last dobermanns.

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    Roxa R3 130s?

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    Bit the bullet, bought Dobies, Marshal. Also bought gold Pivots, since there's no such thing as tacky.

    Thanks for all your input, mags. If all fails, I can always return them. Super excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntmonkey View Post
    Roxa R3 130s?
    Unfortunately, never seen a Roxa IRL over here. For reference, though, are they lower instep than Lupo/Krypton?

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    Tecnica Firebird R 130 96mm or Lange RS 140 95mm? Have been skiing the RX 130 and after 1 year it is pretty soft.

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    For iriponsnow and marshal; Dobermanns got here. Shells just fit. Yes, coming from three piece boots, overlap's a bitch, but the instep is just sooo right. Liners definitely need a mold to be skiable, they're just a bit too high volume (thikkk) all over out of the box, but shells are perfect.

    For reference; lupo pro HD shells 26,5 are too high volume in the instep to me, perfect otherwise, but the "shoe" is perfect. Dobermanns 26,5 are perfect all over.

    Cheers!

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    Boot fitters, please!

    The Dobies will need a punch or three, unfortunately.

    Anterolateral side of the tibia, above the ankle - likely has a real name in the fitter world (maaaybe, will see if zipfits take care of it), bunions for both. Could definitely ski semi happily out of the box, but I don't want Morton's.

    I don't really want to say what I did to the original liners, much too embarrassing.


    The question is, since the Dobies has that infrared tech, do punches have to be made at some place with the Nordica crocodile tool?


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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Boot fitters, please! The question is, since the Dobies has that infrared tech, do punches have to be made at some place with the Nordica crocodile tool?
    No. The Infrared heater Nordica sells (or gives away if you buy enough boots) is a poor substitute for a heat gun, and mostly has appeal to novice bootfitters because it's pretty hard to fuck up. The default 6 minutes will likely not be sufficient to punch a Doberman shell. The two infrared units that Nordica sent us are collecting dust in a corner of the shop - they do come in a cool suitcase so you look like you're carrying the nuclear codes around.

    The Crocodile is a poor substitute for a lever press. Not sure what bootfitters in Norway have for tools, though - probably Sidas or Montana presses if they can afford them. In North America it is usually either Keyser or SkiKare/SVST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    No. The Infrared heater Nordica sells (or gives away if you buy enough boots) is a poor substitute for a heat gun, and mostly has appeal to novice bootfitters because it's pretty hard to fuck up. The default 6 minutes will likely not be sufficient to punch a Doberman shell. The two infrared units that Nordica sent us are collecting dust in a corner of the shop - they do come in a cool suitcase so you look like you're carrying the nuclear codes around.

    The Crocodile is a poor substitute for a lever press. Not sure what bootfitters in Norway have for tools, though - probably Sidas or Montana presses if they can afford them. In North America it is usually either Keyser or SkiKare/SVST.
    I've seen Sidas, yeah. Fwiw, says 9 minutes on the shells. Thanks, will try to find a fitter the next time I'm in a bigger town.

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