The Black Crows thread

[SoVT Joey]

I’m 6’1” 200 lbs and just about to turn 50! I’ve been riding the Captis 184 for groomers and Atris 189 for everything else. Love the Atris and it’s never really felt too long…maybe towards the end of a hard day in the steep skied out trees


Every year we do a January Baldface trip and last year I had my Atris 189s with waist deep powder. I had a blast on them but they did tend to feel a little long in the deep, steeper tight trees. I found myself wishing I had something that was a little easier, maybe even slower at times. The 189 Atris was a lot of effort to ski in those conditions. They were a blast because you definitely sank deeper, and fun when it opened up….but a lot of work.


This year Im looking to add a “just powder” ski for cat trips and Baldface. I haven’t ridden a +115 ski in the deep like the Nocta. This is where I’m struggling…I keep seeing the Nocta skis shorter with the full rocker. Will the Nocta 190 feel too long in those deep, tighter moments like the Atris 189 did for me? Should I go for the Nocta 186 for a more playful, floaty, maneuverable, easier going ride, or am I worrying about it too much and just go for the 190?

im 5’11” 190 and ski the 190 nocta in tight spaces no problem. The 185 skied a little shorter then I wanted. Definitely get the 190.

[Robik]

I’m 6’1” 200 lbs and just about to turn 50! I’ve been riding the Captis 184 for groomers and Atris 189 for everything else. Love the Atris and it’s never really felt too long…maybe towards the end of a hard day in the steep skied out trees


Every year we do a January Baldface trip and last year I had my Atris 189s with waist deep powder. I had a blast on them but they did tend to feel a little long in the deep, steeper tight trees. I found myself wishing I had something that was a little easier, maybe even slower at times. The 189 Atris was a lot of effort to ski in those conditions. They were a blast because you definitely sank deeper, and fun when it opened up….but a lot of work.


This year Im looking to add a “just powder” ski for cat trips and Baldface. I haven’t ridden a +115 ski in the deep like the Nocta. This is where I’m struggling…I keep seeing the Nocta skis shorter with the full rocker. Will the Nocta 190 feel too long in those deep, tighter moments like the Atris 189 did for me? Should I go for the Nocta 186 for a more playful, floaty, maneuverable, easier going ride, or am I worrying about it too much and just go for the 190?

I haven't tried 185 but 190 is one of the most intuitive and easiest pow sticks I've been on. Last April we got a nice storm in the middle of the week and I had them on my feet but had Corvus in the truck bed just in case. After a few hours everything got tracked out and seemed like a good time to grab Corvus. In heavy wet snow it felt grabby and sluggish so I went back to Nocta and it was just as fun as in AM. Even though I had Tectons on them. As long as the snow is soft you won't notice their width or length.

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[alpinevibes]

I have heard mixed things on the Atris, some people say they are the bees knees for a DD and others have said their top end is a little lacking, but hopefully that’s fixed with the new stiffer design. Looks like NS has been rocking some crazy lines at speed on the new ones where he used to use the Animas.

I've been an Atris fanboi for years and my take is that it depends on how big you are, what you're used to skiing (or are you actually used to skiing a particular style of ski) and what snow type/conditions. It's a pretty capable ski if you're not used to skiing heavy chargers all day and especially if you're under 200lbs. The tips/tails have never been super stiff but the ski overall is capable of being pushed - just not to the same extent as the Corvus>Cochise>LP XXL, etc. The previous two versions of the Atris were stiffer than the original, but the newest 105 waist is supposedly a touch softer overall.

I’m 6’1” 200 lbs and just about to turn 50! I’ve been riding the Captis 184 for groomers and Atris 189 for everything else. Love the Atris and it’s never really felt too long…maybe towards the end of a hard day in the steep skied out trees


Every year we do a January Baldface trip and last year I had my Atris 189s with waist deep powder. I had a blast on them but they did tend to feel a little long in the deep, steeper tight trees. I found myself wishing I had something that was a little easier, maybe even slower at times. The 189 Atris was a lot of effort to ski in those conditions. They were a blast because you definitely sank deeper, and fun when it opened up….but a lot of work.


This year Im looking to add a “just powder” ski for cat trips and Baldface. I haven’t ridden a +115 ski in the deep like the Nocta. This is where I’m struggling…I keep seeing the Nocta skis shorter with the full rocker. Will the Nocta 190 feel too long in those deep, tighter moments like the Atris 189 did for me? Should I go for the Nocta 186 for a more playful, floaty, maneuverable, easier going ride, or am I worrying about it too much and just go for the 190?

I'd stick with the 190 for a pure pow trips, unless you see yourself spending a lot of time in tighter trees. The full reverse on the Nocta should give you better pivot than the Atris. I like my 189 Atris, but agree that for my size they can feel a bit long in slower, tighter spots. 184s are pretty mobile in similar situations.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Any loss of stability or damping from the Invictus to the Corvus? The Corvus is several hundred grams lighter. I’ll admit I was a little skeptical of the deep rocker lines on the Corvus as it reminds me of the Mantra M5s I have, and frankly don’t love that ski, I prefer the Bonafides with less rocker in that width. But, I guess that’s just a reason to go longer on size.

I just skied them today in the perfect conditions. Crud, deeper pow, no loss of stability. I’m on the 193 and I really liked the 188 Invictus


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[whambat]

I just skied them today in the perfect conditions. Crud, deeper pow, no loss of stability. I’m on the 193 and I really liked the 188 Invictus


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thanks, that helps a lot. I like the idea of a lighter weight ski with the same charginess as I think it would be great with my Cast setup. Unfortunately, I just dinged myself up and have to see doc Tuesday to get an idea how much I’m going to miss.

[Stuntmonkey]

I’m 6’1” 200 lbs and just about to turn 50! I’ve been riding the Captis 184 for groomers and Atris 189 for everything else. Love the Atris and it’s never really felt too long…maybe towards the end of a hard day in the steep skied out trees


Every year we do a January Baldface trip and last year I had my Atris 189s with waist deep powder. I had a blast on them but they did tend to feel a little long in the deep, steeper tight trees. I found myself wishing I had something that was a little easier, maybe even slower at times. The 189 Atris was a lot of effort to ski in those conditions. They were a blast because you definitely sank deeper, and fun when it opened up….but a lot of work.


This year Im looking to add a “just powder” ski for cat trips and Baldface. I haven’t ridden a +115 ski in the deep like the Nocta. This is where I’m struggling…I keep seeing the Nocta skis shorter with the full rocker. Will the Nocta 190 feel too long in those deep, tighter moments like the Atris 189 did for me? Should I go for the Nocta 186 for a more playful, floaty, maneuverable, easier going ride, or am I worrying about it too much and just go for the 190?

I've got 25lbs on you so no comment, but how the f are you getting a yearly baldface trip?! HOOK US UP!

[mmmgood]

I've got 25lbs on you so no comment, but how the f are you getting a yearly baldface trip?! HOOK US UP!

Ha! It is a special place. Once you’re in, don’t give it up! BTW, got the Nocta 190s

[Stuntmonkey]

Tbh my skiing ability in pow is probably not suited for bald face. I’d love it, but def need some more turns before I threw down with that group.


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[alpinevibes]

Bruno testing a new "110mm Freebird" ski. A flat/reverse Corvus FB?

[Pins and Skins]

^^ kinda looks like a fatter Solis

[Robik]

Bruno testing a new "110mm Freebird" ski. A flat/reverse Corvus FB?

It should have come this way from the beginning.

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[mntlion]

https://www.corbetts.com/search?sear...ry=black+crows

some old stock on sale

[Stuntmonkey]

First day on new 186 Captis. I'm 6'2 / 225lbs. What fun skis. Seriously, I was shocked at how easy they are to drive the shovels, edge hold is wildly good and they bomb through kick up/crust/whatever. Definitely keeping these as my frontside/fuck around skis. Super stable at speed and they like to go FAST.

[waxoff]

Got a couple of days on the 183 Justis the past weekend.

Fuck those soft (and wide) grippy tips in cut up variable frontside conditions.

Sweet low edge angle skidded short turns, as sweet as sweet can be. But when transitioning to higher edge angles and carved turns one better hold on cause of said tips, Damn do they bend, and jerk up the ride.

Everything from underfoot and rearward felt dang on. Sweet tail flex. On current gen Griffons + RX130.

So it's either: [A] Detune the crap of a substantial portion of the tip rocker section, maybe not quite to the camber contact point, but at least halfway from widest point of tip to camber contact point. Or [B] Flip 'em. Currently undecided. Wish I could stiffen those tips substantially. Is ski viagra a thing?

Skied them back to back with 108 Wrens (184 cm, 2018, +Wardens) which behaved super sweet in the same conditions. Not as tight carves obviously. The softish flex of that vintage allows for some decent bending though, and they're calm, so calm.

[SoVT Joey]

Got a couple of days on the 183 Justis the past weekend.

Fuck those soft (and wide) grippy tips in cut up variable frontside conditions.

Sweet low edge angle skidded short turns, as sweet as sweet can be. But when transitioning to higher edge angles and carved turns one better hold on cause of said tips, Damn do they bend, and jerk up the ride.

Everything from underfoot and rearward felt dang on. Sweet tail flex. On current gen Griffons + RX130.

So it's either: [A] Detune the crap of a substantial portion of the tip rocker section, maybe not quite to the camber contact point, but at least halfway from widest point of tip to camber contact point. Or [B] Flip 'em. Currently undecided. Wish I could stiffen those tips substantially. Is ski viagra a thing?

Skied them back to back with 108 Wrens (184 cm, 2018, +Wardens) which behaved super sweet in the same conditions. Not as tight carves obviously. The softish flex of that vintage allows for some decent bending though, and they're calm, so calm.

I wonder if they aren’t folding and it’s just the lack of tip out front in combination with so much rocker. My 189 doesnt feel soft in the tip, just short. It skis like a 170 in the front and a 189 in the middle to rear. I dunno. I havent fallen In love but they are hard to sell. I tried.

[alpinevibes]

Kaw, my dudes

[SoVT Joey]

Kaw, my dudes

I am level 1000 jealous. 20 days and 22 hours til I land in Tahoe. But who’s counting.

[alpinevibes]

I am level 1000 jealous. 20 days and 22 hours til I land in Tahoe. But who’s counting.

I bid you good tidings! Snow here has been incredible and the footage from Tahoe looks pretty stellar

[whambat]

PSA: https://www.evo.com/skis/black-crows-corvus-2021

[SoVT Joey]

Got to nocta yesterday, Corvus today and missiled a ton of chop, ferox tomorrow. Sometimes VT can play.

[Stuntmonkey]

Got to nocta yesterday, Corvus today and missiled a ton of chop, ferox tomorrow. Sometimes VT can play.

Pics pls.

[Samski360]

This might have been discussed earlier in the thread but I didn't see it. It looks like the new 2023 Nocta has a radius of 21m. Previous versions had a 26m radius. I don't see any discussion of whether they actually changed the shape of the 2023 Nocta, or if they just decided to change the turn radius printed on the ski. In my limited experience with reverse cambered skis, the turning radius doesn't really mean shit. Just curious if the shape has changed or not.

Thinking of picking up some of the sale Noctas to put some KPs on for pow skiing in the resort, and afternoon side country.

[SoVT Joey]

This might have been discussed earlier in the thread but I didn't see it. It looks like the new 2023 Nocta has a radius of 21m. Previous versions had a 26m radius. I don't see any discussion of whether they actually changed the shape of the 2023 Nocta, or if they just decided to change the turn radius printed on the ski. In my limited experience with reverse cambered skis, the turning radius doesn't really mean shit. Just curious if the shape has changed or not.

Thinking of picking up some of the sale Noctas to put some KPs on for pow skiing in the resort, and afternoon side country.

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I asked TG about that last spring when photos dropped and he said no change just different radius. That ski is sweet. If I had more time to ski powder I’d have a alpine and a touring nocta setup. I do run a duke pt 16 on mine and the will still hike great. I ski a 190 alpine but would buy a 185 if I was strictly touring on them. Trees are a blast on them.

[SoVT Joey]

Pics pls.

Tomorrow when I get done.

[Samski360]

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I asked TG about that last spring when photos dropped and he said no change just different radius. That ski is sweet. If I had more time to ski powder I’d have a alpine and a touring nocta setup. I do run a duke pt 16 on mine and the will still hike great. I ski a 190 alpine but would buy a 185 if I was strictly touring on them. Trees are a blast on them.

Thanks Joey. I live in Oregon and do a few BC trips a season. I usually find myself in the trees on powder days so Nocta sounds like the ticket. Thanks for confirming the length too. For touring and tree skiing I think the 185cm likely makes the most sense for me at 5’9” and more concerns with maneuverability and playfulness than top end speed.