The Black Crows thread

[Stuntmonkey]

No Nocta shown in the line up. But it's only one picture. Corvus/Atris/Anima rocker looks crazy but probably the camera position.

[waxoff]

No Nocta shown in the line up. But it's only one picture. Corvus/Atris/Anima rocker looks crazy but probably the camera position.

I know the current Corvus has a lot of fans, but I'm still curious about the new version. Anybody seen a profile shot of it?

Also, maybe it's just whishful thinking, but doesn't the Justis tip taper appear to start a bit further down from the tip than on the current version??

Edit to add: Are width dimensions published somewhere for comparison to current?

[Stuntmonkey]

I got a look at the 24/25 book, I didn’t see a profile shot but there’s some testing on Wednesday so will give some feedback then. Nocta isn’t in the guide :/

Width is up to 110 from what I saw.


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[waxoff]

I got a look at the 24/25 book, I didn’t see a profile shot but there’s some testing on Wednesday so will give some feedback then. Nocta isn’t in the guide :/

Width is up to 110 from what I saw.


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Thanks. I'm mostly interested to know if the 183 cm Justis tip width has changed from 138 mm.

[whambat]

Actually, the new Corvus looks to fit the slot of what the Freeride competitors are looking for. They want the twin tip, high speed stability, and usually a little camber. The Anima is a good ski, just a little wide for the skied up courses as most competition courses don’t get shut down for the time the FWT does. The Atris isn’t beefy enough for a comp ski. The MFree 108 won junior men’s freeride Norams last year, and that’s generally the type of ski on a lot of competitors list. I asked my kid this morning if he’d consider the current Corvus as a comp ski as he never lands switch in a comp, and he said no because he wants to land 540’s and play in the park when he’s free riding and training on his comp skis.

edit: I’d also say that I’m worried if the 191 is really the longest option. With the tail turned up, this is going to ski much shorter than the old one. The 191 will ski like the older 188 and there will be nothing left for those that like the 193.

[GravityDT]

Chatting with an Industry buddy today - sounds like the Corvus still has the 2 layers of metal and camber. Width was bumped up to 110mm, he's at the dealer demo at Brighton and is hoping to get out on it today/tomorrow

[Mustonen]

Maybe. I’m not a fan of pintails, though, and hopeful that part isn’t true.

[whambat]

Maybe. I’m not a fan of pintails, though, and hopeful that part isn’t true.

Looks really tiny in the photo, I’m hoping it’s like more of a notch for skins.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

R110 and R105 most likely gonna eat the new Corvus’s lunch for us ski nerds

R110 is fun as hell.

The new Corvus looks like a wild departure from the current. My buddy snagged one from ski west so it will be fun to AB them.

[whambat]

R110 is fun as hell.

The new Corvus looks like a wild departure from the current. My buddy snagged one from ski west so it will be fun to AB them.

Yeah the R110 and R105 look fun. Although, one thing I like with the current Corvus is with the mount point at -8cm, it has lots of tail for stomping landings with no backslap, ever. The reverse camber allows for such a long flat tail without getting overly locked into a turn. However, the R105 is listed at -12cm back, which is more old school like the LP105 or a Stöckli SR 105. That rocker profile could be insanely fun in a ski like that and the short tail will release easily and and it’s offered in a 186 (which I think would have been a more popular size for the LP105). As someone with a 192 Lp105, a plaid 186 SR105, and a Corvus in the quiver, I’d be highly interested in trying the HL skis for comparison.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Yeah the R110 and R105 look fun. Although, one thing I like with the current Corvus is with the mount point at -8cm, it has lots of tail for stomping landings with no backslap, ever. The reverse camber allows for such a long flat tail without getting overly locked into a turn. However, the R105 is listed at -12cm back, which is more old school like the LP105 or a Stöckli SR 105. That rocker profile could be insanely fun in a ski like that and the short tail will release easily and and it’s offered in a 186 (which I think would have been a more popular size for the LP105). As someone with a 192 Lp105, a plaid 186 SR105, and a Corvus in the quiver, I’d be highly interested in trying the HL skis for comparison.

R110 Rec is -7.5!

[Qilimanjaro]

Waiting to hear those “holy shit new Corvus is le tits and much better”. Have faith in Julian!

[whambat]

R110 Rec is -7.5!

Oh dang!

[waxoff]

...and here's the follow-up. Last season I detuned the tip edges at the widest point. It improved the ride substantially. But, I have not yet seen the same conditions as when I said fukit. To be on the "safer" side, I made my plans come true, got wild with the panzer, to get the tips to this:

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Caliper measured width at widest point is now 136 mm and the steel edges are completely rounded off.

I know this will make for a good change. But had it not been for the limiting factor of the steel edges I would've taken away a lot more materiel. And, yes, The bases will get wax!

I stand by my point that 'Crows should redesign these skis. So, come on Julien Reigner, you did release a Sevun II, not to mention all the Corvus and Nocta iterations seeing the light of day, and now I think it's it's time for a Justis II.

So please, end the sidecut close to the top of the topsheet black crows logo and transition into taper from there and round off the tips just a bit. Keep layup and flex intact. That would turn the Justis into a killer ski!

For visual, and tip-tail-symmetry, feel free to end sidecut farther from tail as well, reducing the max tail width. This is not critical, but rather a visual thing, and it would balance narrower tips beautifully!...

A lot of water has flown under the bridge since this post. And I have given these guys many chances. And now, after having skied them in many various conditions I must admit they're actually skiable after the above mods. In pow, windblown pow, cut up, firm, moguls, slushy moguls, they do ok. I'd say that the weird tip hook up tendencies have been neutralized to a satisfactory degree.

But mind you, the amount of edge I have filed off is crazy. And I wouldn't be surprised to see an edge fail in that area. So I'm still hoping for a Reigner tip tweak on the Justis. Still awaiting feedback for changes to the 2025 version, images previously shown in thread are promising, but no word of confirmation has been heard. So, in summary, the Wren 102ti won't replace these, because of issues experienced on those, but that's food for a different thread. I'll hang on to my Justises until I crack an edge!

[3pin]

Waiting to hear those “holy shit new Corvus is le tits and much better”. Have faith in Julian!

Word from a shop demo was not encouraging. Still longer radius, but softer flexing and a departure from the old ones' best traits. YMMV.

[snowords]

Random Q but: I'm looking to get the Corvus for a little more ski underfoot (old version of the Navis is my favorite ski, and the Orb is my favorite spring work ski). I'm curious if the stiffer ski and longer length (usually ride a 170-173) are less maneuverable in general mix of BC conditions, and if the Draco might ski better. Thoughts/advice?

[mr_pretzel]

Anyone been on the draco and the new nocta yet? Comparissons to the old nocta?

[SoVT Joey]

Anyone been on the draco and the new nocta yet? Comparissons to the old nocta?

im still patiently waiting for snow that the nocta wants…. Seems like I’m gonna have to travel for it this year.

[Pins and Skins]

Speaking of the Nocta, for those who tour on it, could you see yourself using it in non-super deep snow? For example, using the Nocta instead of the Draco/Ferox/Corvus FB/any other 105-110 width ski? Just trynna figure out if the Nocta could actually be used as a general purpose mid-winter touring stick (assuming there is some snow obviously)

[SoVT Joey]

Speaking of the Nocta, for those who tour on it, could you see yourself using it in non-super deep snow? For example, using the Nocta instead of the Draco/Ferox/Corvus FB/any other 105-110 width ski? Just trynna figure out if the Nocta could actually be used as a general purpose mid-winter touring stick (assuming there is some snow obviously)

ive skied my nocta with 6” and it’s a blast. As long as the snow is soft they are fun. I would ski a Corvus fb with no hesitation up to 18” deep.

[Pins and Skins]

Thanks dude. I already have a pair of the Nocta v2s mounted up with touring binders (yes, take 2, trying this setup again) and so not gonna get the Corvus FBs anytime soon. Trying to decide whether I need a mid-fat pair of tourers to complement or go directly with the spring setup. I'm leaning towards the latter as I think the Nocta can do general mid-winter touring pretty well, albeit on the heavier side, and I also only want 2 touring skis in my ozempic quiver

ive skied my nocta with 6” and it’s a blast. As long as the snow is soft they are fun. I would ski a Corvus fb with no hesitation up to 18” deep.

[Robik]

Won't contribute anything new here, but Corvus is back in my quiver after 2 years of being on other skis.
Also gonna give Anima a try as a resort powder ski.

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[ski whore]

Only a day on the new Noctas and can only compare them to my fav ski of all time the 2016 nocta air. Mount point feels similar super centered, getting around in conditions other than pow doesn’t feel as intuitive as the nocta air, and float is good but not as good as nocta airs. I need more time on it to really know what I think of it


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[SoVT Joey]

Won't contribute anything new here, but Corvus is back in my quiver after 2 years of being on other skis.
Also gonna give Anima a try as a resort powder ski.

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spaced on texting you back. Lemme know when you want to dump that anima. I’m game.

[SoVT Joey]

Thanks dude. I already have a pair of the Nocta v2s mounted up with touring binders (yes, take 2, trying this setup again) and so not gonna get the Corvus FBs anytime soon. Trying to decide whether I need a mid-fat pair of tourers to complement or go directly with the spring setup. I'm leaning towards the latter as I think the Nocta can do general mid-winter touring pretty well, albeit on the heavier side, and I also only want 2 touring skis in my ozempic quiver

I think that’s legit. Nocta isn’t that much heavier then a Corvus FB