The Black Crows thread

[singlecross]

Surprised, and maybe excited, that my 184 Atris weighs more that my 183 Corvus. Atris=2010g / Corvus 1960g

Hoping these make a nice compliment to each other.

[Samski360]

Eying an Atris Birdie as a new wife ski, '21-22 vintage. Any meaningful updates over the last 2 years?

2022 was a full update with shape, layup, and rocker. 21-22 Is the older shape. Both are great skis. Older version is surfier, slashier, and more pivoty. Punches above its weight in powder and really easy to ski bumps. New one is still very easy to ski, but gives up some deep snow performance in exchange for being a little more well rounded, IMO. I prefer the 2021 model for resort skiing and the newer version as my daily driver touring.

[iriponsnow]

Surprised, and maybe excited, that my 184 Atris weighs more that my 183 Corvus. Atris=2010g / Corvus 1960g

Hoping these make a nice compliment to each other.

Oddly the 184 Atris was my goto low tide ski in the East last year.

Just added these - will have to weigh…..

[mn_teleswede]

PSA: 183 Corvus Fifteens for sale on Jackson, WY marketplace for $200.


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[halliday]

Is there anything different about the fifteen other than the top sheet?

[iriponsnow]

PSA: 183 Corvus Fifteens for sale on Jackson, WY marketplace for $200.


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What to facilitate a sale? I’d take that in a heartbeat!

[mn_teleswede]

What to facilitate a sale? I’d take that in a heartbeat!

Just a PSA.

Call me selfish and not very helpful, but Google maps shows a 16 hr drive for me to go help facilitate. [emoji23].

[alpinevibes]

Is there anything different about the fifteen other than the top sheet?

No difference

[blur]

Has anyone skied the Draco?
Looking at the shape it reminds me of the Atris before they changed it.


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[MoeSnow]

Got a killer deal on some 2018 Noctas with demo bindings for ~$120. They are a bit short at 178cm... Nonetheless, excited to try out a reverse camber ski and share with friends. Hoping they're fun and nimble on steep tree runs.

I noticed the newest version of the ski that came out this year no longer has reverse camber. Wondering if anybody in this thread is excited or bummed about that change?

[SoVT Joey]

Got a killer deal on some 2018 Noctas with demo bindings for ~$120. They are a bit short at 178cm... Nonetheless, excited to try out a reverse camber ski and share with friends. Hoping they're fun and nimble on steep tree runs.


I noticed the newest version of the ski that came out this year no longer has reverse camber. Wondering if anybody in this thread is excited or bummed about that change?

I have both a last generation nocta and the new one. I’ve yet to ski the new one. I’m intrigued by the camber, hoping it helps the ride back to the lift better. I love my other nocta though, it is really great in tight terrain, pivots and stops on a dime. I am confused as to why BC felt the need for the camber especially with the anima being close to the same shape. I am really stoked to see what the new one will be like, but I’m also holding on to my old nocta just in case the new one sucks, plus I’m putting kingpin inserts in my old nocta.

the older nocta skis short, so hopefully you aren’t that big.

im very disappointed in some of the choices BC are making lately. The discontinuation of the Orb is ridiculous, their reasoning is the serpo and justis are too close in build, both of those skis are ridiculously soft and have too much rocker. They are starting to just build skis for beaters it feels like which is a bummer.

[MoeSnow]

I have both a last generation nocta and the new one. I’ve yet to ski the new one. I’m intrigued by the camber, hoping it helps the ride back to the lift better. I love my other nocta though, it is really great in tight terrain, pivots and stops on a dime. I am confused as to why BC felt the need for the camber especially with the anima being close to the same shape. I am really stoked to see what the new one will be like, but I’m also holding on to my old nocta just in case the new one sucks, plus I’m putting kingpin inserts in my old nocta.

the older nocta skis short, so hopefully you aren’t that big.

im very disappointed in some of the choices BC are making lately. The discontinuation of the Orb is ridiculous, their reasoning is the serpo and justis are too close in build, both of those skis are ridiculously soft and have too much rocker. They are starting to just build skis for beaters it feels like which is a bummer.

I am 5'11 and 175-180 nekkid, so probably too big for them. Not too worried though. They're perfectly sized for my girlfriend and she doesn't have a powder ski yet in the quiver yet. Worst-case I get to try out a cool ski and seem like a cool dude for getting her some skis for a killer deal haha

If I like the shape and everything enough I will keep my eyes open for a longer pair on a good deal.

I've been browsing this thread for a bit and am somewhat familiar with the Black Crows lineup. Also confused as to why they're adding camber to the Nocta as that slots it a bit closer to the Anima. Seems like there are enough differences still in terms of stiffness/shape that they aren't totally redundant, though.

[halliday]

Got a killer deal on some 2018 Noctas with demo bindings for ~$120. They are a bit short at 178cm... Nonetheless, excited to try out a reverse camber ski and share with friends. Hoping they're fun and nimble on steep tree runs.

I noticed the newest version of the ski that came out this year no longer has reverse camber. Wondering if anybody in this thread is excited or bummed about that change?

At your height that 178 Nocta would be a smoker for skiing tight maple trees with ~ a foot of powder in VT. Just sayin'

[SoVT Joey]

At your height that 178 Nocta would be a smoker for skiing tight maple trees with ~ a foot of powder in VT. Just sayin'

that’s where my 190 shines. The exact reason kingpins are going on them. I had a 185 set up with kingpins and felt it lacked in tail length, due to the soft flex behind the heel. It made landing a little hard if I was off balance in air and took a lot of effort to feel like I was balanced. Jumping up to the 190 fixed all of that and still kept the ski just as nimble. I have asked BC numerous times now to build a 195 nocta and they shut me down every time. But for some reason they have no problem building a 194 anima. With a full rocker nocta a 195 and even a 200 would sell well especially out west. I would have a 195 in a heartbeat to leave in Reno at my buddys place.

Moesnow- I think you will definitely be able to get a taste of how much of a kick ass ski the nocta is, it floats and pivots like a dream. I had 35 days on my nocta last year, all over the west and then got the big storm back east. I wouldn’t of wanted a different ski for any of those days.

[Mogreen]

Looking at picking up a pair of Navis Freebird for what a looks like a pretty sweet deal . Seller said used just a few times and mounted for same BSL

Since Navis Freebird looks pretty similar each year, is there a way to tell which model year the ski is.

Of course I have asked seller the question , just want to know if there way to verify via pictures.

and of course , another question - does it matter ? have they made meaningful changes over the years ?

Thanks

[whambat]

Ended up helping a dude unload his overly aggressive Corvus’s as he prefers a Bent 100. Looking forward to trying these out. I have no idea why TGR turned the photo 90 degrees.

[halliday]

you're going to love those skis.

[alpinevibes]

Looking at picking up a pair of Navis Freebird for what a looks like a pretty sweet deal . Seller said used just a few times and mounted for same BSL

Since Navis Freebird looks pretty similar each year, is there a way to tell which model year the ski is.

Of course I have asked seller the question , just want to know if there way to verify via pictures.

and of course , another question - does it matter ? have they made meaningful changes over the years ?

Thanks

No really big changes over the years, but I think they were lightened by 100-200g per ski around 2015. For ‘19-20 the ski got a little wider at tip (133>>138) and tail. They changed the tail graphics a bit around the 2019 mark. You can see different iterations here that might give some clarity as to what year you’re buying: https://www.freeride.com/gear/skis/b...bird-2020.html

[Samski360]

No really big changes over the years, but I think they were lightened by 100-200g per ski around 2015. For ‘19-20 the ski got a little wider at tip (133>>138) and tail. They changed the tail graphics a bit around the 2019 mark. You can see different iterations here that might give some clarity as to what year you’re buying: https://www.freeride.com/gear/skis/b...bird-2020.html

I think they change the phrase on the sidewall each year. for 21-22 the phrase was “I don’t remember it being this far” or something like that.

[waxman]

Looking at picking up a pair of Navis Freebird for what a looks like a pretty sweet deal . Seller said used just a few times and mounted for same BSL

Since Navis Freebird looks pretty similar each year, is there a way to tell which model year the ski is.

Of course I have asked seller the question , just want to know if there way to verify via pictures.

and of course , another question - does it matter ? have they made meaningful changes over the years ?

Thanks

doesn't matter, we've been selling that for 6 or 7 years and I can't tell the difference on the wall (sure if you look at dimensions) or on the snow, I think we've actually been shipped various model years in the same shipment

[Stuntmonkey]

you're going to love those skis.

I got a pair of those from someone on here last year, I should really mount them and try.

[halliday]

I got a pair of those from someone on here last year, I should really mount them and try.

Mount them and get going. Im actually looking for an older pair of Noctas like the ones that iriponsnow just picked up if anybody is holding. I fucking. love the old geometric 3D top sheets.

[whambat]

you're going to love those skis.

It was all you Corvus fans on here that had me really wanting to try them. Most people I’ve met locally that have skied them have been less than enthusiastic. One dad of a girl I coach sometimes loves them though. I have a pair, now unmounted made for backcountry.com 190cm Folsom Primary 110s with a similar profile of flat camber and general shaping (but 27m turn radius). I like that ski in powder, but it was too soft for me and had a really bad henge point in the tips that I hated in any bumps. So, I’ve been really wanting to try the Corvus with similar shape, but much stiffer and a shorter turn radius.
While I don’t really need another 100-110 ski, as I have some old plaid Stocki SR105 and a Dynastar M-Pro 105, I have really been curious about the Corvus ever since I got my 194 Animas and love them. They were mounted for Markers and I happen to have a pair Markers I pulled from other skis in the garage. So, I’ll probably start with some Markers in them to get a feel for the skis. However, I’m not much of a Marker fan, and I think I’ll probably eventually mount them up Cast, as I have an extra setup and these seem like they’d be great for side country. One question I have for you all, I’d have to mount the Pivots 1cm forward to miss old mount holes, would +1cm be a good idea on these 188s? I’d worry a little about tip dive in powder with shorter tip, but what say you all?

[SoVT Joey]

It was all you Corvus fans on here that had me really wanting to try them. Most people I’ve met locally that have skied them have been less than enthusiastic. One dad of a girl I coach sometimes loves them though. I have a pair, now unmounted made for backcountry.com 190cm Folsom Primary 110s with a similar profile of flat camber and general shaping (but 27m turn radius). I like that ski in powder, but it was too soft for me and had a really bad henge point in the tips that I hated in any bumps. So, I’ve been really wanting to try the Corvus with similar shape, but much stiffer and a shorter turn radius.
While I don’t really need another 100-110 ski, as I have some old plaid Stocki SR105 and a Dynastar M-Pro 105, I have really been curious about the Corvus ever since I got my 194 Animas and love them. They were mounted for Markers and I happen to have a pair Markers I pulled from other skis in the garage. I’m not much of a Marker fan, and I think I’ll probably mount them up Cast, as I have an extra setup and these seem like they’d be great for side country. One question I have for you all, I’d have to mount the Pivots 1cm forward to miss old mount holes, would +1cm be a good idea on these 188s? I’d worry a little about tip dive in powder with shorter tip, but what say you all?

how big are you? I had a Corvus 183 mounted +1 and had no problem. My 188s are both on the line.

[whambat]

6’1” and 210-215lbs depending on beers that week.