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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Cheap camox freebirds in the swap. A little love and they’ll last you years.

    Edit: Ok wild one here.

    Bought some skis. Want to keep the skins and bindings from the skis I listed.

    These are going for free to the best cause.

    Only requirement is to pass it forward.

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    Just spent 2 days on the current (outgoing) Noctas

    These are fantastic when things are somewhat soft. Not chop destroyers, but reasonable. Caught inside edge on the runouts but other than that they are a dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qilimanjaro View Post
    Just spent 2 days on the current (outgoing) Noctas

    These are fantastic when things are somewhat soft. Not chop destroyers, but reasonable. Caught inside edge on the runouts but other than that they are a dream.
    Just got a few days on mine and concur completely. They actually surprised me in how well they handle chopped up snow. They definitely like big turns in chop, but they’re surprisingly stable at speed. I have kingpins on mine and that’s the bigger limiter in choppy snow than the skis.

    Obviously in deep and untracked snow they’re incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    I fondled some Atris 184s last week, and man - the shovels / section ahead of the binding area seem very soft. It made me curious to try them back to back with DPS Koala 103s, a similar shape, if with narrower shovels that is also a fair bit stiffer. I enjoy k103s a lot.
    ops. I might have ended up buying a different pair of the new Atris in 184.3 from the same shop. They seemed a bit stiffer than the other pair too, so yay.

    Any input on different mounts? I've seen that Schirmer went +1, but I am hesitant to go further into the relatively softer shovels than rec.

    I am also closer than ever to finally resign and just get a pair of 185 Nocta v2s, so I must stay strong. Their price is lower than ever though...

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    I just bought a pair of the 2022 Nocta v1.5s (the one with the 26m radius)... come join the orange side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    ops. I might have ended up buying a different pair of the new Atris in 184.3 from the same shop. They seemed a bit stiffer than the other pair too, so yay.

    Any input on different mounts? I've seen that Schirmer went +1, but I am hesitant to go further into the relatively softer shovels than rec.

    I am also closer than ever to finally resign and just get a pair of 185 Nocta v2s, so I must stay strong. Their price is lower than ever though...
    I could see going +1 or +2 on the 189. Unless you’re on the smaller end or you know you like a very progressive ski, I think the line on the 184 is pretty dialed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    ops. I might have ended up buying a different pair of the new Atris in 184.3 from the same shop. They seemed a bit stiffer than the other pair too, so yay.

    Any input on different mounts? I've seen that Schirmer went +1, but I am hesitant to go further into the relatively softer shovels than rec.

    I am also closer than ever to finally resign and just get a pair of 185 Nocta v2s, so I must stay strong. Their price is lower than ever though...
    I would mount them on the line. 189 I would go forward one but the 184 is good on the line.

    as for the nocta, buy the 190 if you weigh anything more then 175 and are taller then 5’9”. Shit I’d even buy it in that size if you were a ripper and smaller. That ski needs a 196 length and could use a 202.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pins and Skins View Post
    I just bought a pair of the 2022 Nocta v1.5s (the one with the 26m radius)... come join the orange side...
    Did it change other than the stated graphic though?

    I ended up caving and buying the last pair of 19/20 Noctas in 185 that they had in stock. Probably my least favorite Nocta graphic other than the new limited release one, but oh well - it doesn't really matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Samski360 View Post
    I could see going +1 or +2 on the 189. Unless you’re on the smaller end or you know you like a very progressive ski, I think the line on the 184 is pretty dialed.
    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    I would mount them on the line. 189 I would go forward one but the 184 is good on the line.
    thanks for the thoughts on mount point. I've grown used to progressive mounts with strong tails so I am not afraid of the tails being too much, rather that I move too far forward into the softer shovels killing my ability to drive the skis. On the line it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    as for the nocta, buy the 190 if you weigh anything more then 175 and are taller then 5’9”. Shit I’d even buy it in that size if you were a ripper and smaller. That ski needs a 196 length and could use a 202.
    Yeah, I prob should've went with 190s, but figured I should go for max wiggle factor at 175cm/70kg aka no clyde. After all, these are not heavy, burly skis - so thought I should play to their strengths, even if they might ski a bit short. Time will tell.

    I do not really plan for either ski to make their way into the "permanent" quiver, I just want to test them - but we'll see


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    SoVT Joey can correct me here, but I believe the OG Noctas (v1) did not have reverse camber. v1.5 is the version you and I bought, reverse camber and 26m radius (this should perhaps be v2). v2 is the 2023 version, reverse camber and 21m radius (this should be v2.5). v3 is the 2024 cambered version that just came out.

    I'm 172cm/68kg and went with the shorty 178 (rounding up!) model. Realize it'll ski short, even for my tiny ass, but think it'll be super fun in trees/tight spots at that length. I'll also be touring on them so wanted to keep it nimble and light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pins and Skins View Post
    SoVT Joey can correct me here, but I believe the OG Noctas (v1) did not have reverse camber. v1.5 is the version you and I bought, reverse camber and 26m radius (this should perhaps be v2). v2 is the 2023 version, reverse camber and 21m radius (this should be v2.5). v3 is the 2024 cambered version that just came out.

    I'm 172cm/68kg and went with the shorty 178 (rounding up!) model. Realize it'll ski short, even for my tiny ass, but think it'll be super fun in trees/tight spots at that length. I'll also be touring on them so wanted to keep it nimble and light.

    Ya. And somewhere in there was the nocta air too. Last years different radius was just a miss print that stayed.

    i have just found them to ski super short. I wish for a 200. My 190 is a blast in the tight trees though that’s for sure. The only thing I noticed was the tail seemed short on the 185 so balance was key, the 190 let’s me drive it a little more and allows me to recover from shit I shouldn’t be doing.

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    God damn. Guess I need to buy a pair of Noctas and CAST them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    Ya. And somewhere in there was the nocta air too. Last years different radius was just a miss print that stayed.

    i have just found them to ski super short. I wish for a 200. My 190 is a blast in the tight trees though that’s for sure. The only thing I noticed was the tail seemed short on the 185 so balance was key, the 190 let’s me drive it a little more and allows me to recover from shit I shouldn’t be doing.
    Really? So the 21m radius model is the same as the 26m? Sweet

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    2024 Nocta

    I went all-in and purchased the 190cm 2024 Nocta. Now have to wait until it snows here (Australia/NZ) before I can take them out, so am super interested to hear any insights from those who have skied them.

    Also weighing up what binding I put on them, #1 priority is hold and performance on the downhill, #2 priority is occasional touring. I currently run ATK Freeraider 14 on the Black Crows Solis but am thinking Cast Pivot 15 for the Nocta. Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorsisfree View Post


    Also weighing up what binding I put on them, #1 priority is hold and performance on the downhill, #2 priority is occasional touring. I currently run ATK Freeraider 14 on the Black Crows Solis but am thinking Cast Pivot 15 for the Nocta. Thoughts?
    You pretty much covered the reasons to get a Cast setup.

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    There was the original nocta with
    camber, v1, then they built the air off that v1.5, then the nocta that we know that’s full rocker, v2, then last year they screwed up and put a different radius on the ski in printing there was no change to the actual ski, so the 21m is the same as the 26m. So that is v2.5, then they just made the new one so that’s version 3.

    kidkapow could probably find it, but there was a mpora catalog at one point with the 2021/22 nocta, the orange and cream one with 21m radius tails. I screen shot it and asked about it. They said it was a mistake then too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outdoorsisfree View Post
    I went all-in and purchased the 190cm 2024 Nocta. Now have to wait until it snows here (Australia/NZ) before I can take them out, so am super interested to hear any insights from those who have skied them.

    Also weighing up what binding I put on them, #1 priority is hold and performance on the downhill, #2 priority is occasional touring. I currently run ATK Freeraider 14 on the Black Crows Solis but am thinking Cast Pivot 15 for the Nocta. Thoughts?

    I like my Duke Pt on my nocta and would mount cast if I liked pivots with out a doubt. I just plum guides on my solis so it kind of sounds like we are after the same thing. I do have a ferox with yaks so I haven’t really wanted to do full techs on my nocta yet, but I have been tempted to quiver kill my noctas for yaks as well.

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    Anyone have insight into Nocta vs Volkl Revolt as far as which will handle heavy Sierra snow better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pins and Skins View Post
    SoVT Joey can correct me here, but I believe the OG Noctas (v1) did not have reverse camber. v1.5 is the version you and I bought, reverse camber and 26m radius (this should perhaps be v2). v2 is the 2023 version, reverse camber and 21m radius (this should be v2.5). v3 is the 2024 cambered version that just came out.
    Nocta 1 was 2012-2015: 18m radius and "dual rocker," no reverse camber
    Nocta Air came out in 2016: same overall shape but with a lighter core that dropped ~500g per ski. Tail rocker was tweaked a bit.
    Nocta 2 was 2017-2021: full reverse, 26m radius, 150g lighter per ski than the Air
    Nocta "2.5" was 2022-2023: stated radius reduced to 21m, but no changes to the dimensions/shape
    Nocta 3 debuted for 2024: camber re-added (similar to Gen1), 19m radius.
    Last edited by alpinevibes; 02-24-2023 at 10:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    kidkapow could probably find it, but there was a mpora catalog at one point with the 2021/22 nocta, the orange and cream one with 21m radius tails. I screen shot it and asked about it. They said it was a mistake then too.
    this?

    The debate over the 21m radius started with this post.

    First few runs on the Atris today. Surprisingly adapt at variable given their weight, though not terribly surfy at their current tune. I found them to have flappy tips at higher speeds on hard snow, that their wider tips sometimes wanted to float more than the tails wanted to, and that they were somewhat turny in softer snow. I totally understood what SkiEssentials meant when they say it is a light ski that feels heavier. Biggest decrator: feeling like a Schirmer fanboy / copycat since I also wear a Norrøna Tamok jacket...

    I have no problem understanding why a lot of people like these as a daily driver or one ski quiver. I have no idea why FriFlyt hated them - they seem like fine skis to me.

    I look forward to and it will be fun to try them b2b with Noctas tomorrow.

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    Ok so first pow day on the new nocta… float is there. Easy to maneuver in tight spots and overall a pretty good time. The main thing that jumped out to me however is that they felt a bit hooky (maybe due to the 19m radius?) I didn’t get a ton of runs in to due the back wearing out faster than I thought. I will post again once I have more days on them.

    Side note. I snagged a pair of the old Nocta (2022) locally for $350 in plastic. Going to mount them up and AB test them. Anyone go back a touch on the mount? I’m 6’1 205 and I remember some complaining of tip dive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll View Post
    Side note. I snagged a pair of the old Nocta (2022) locally for $350 in plastic. Going to mount them up and AB test them. Anyone go back a touch on the mount? I’m 6’1 205 and I remember some complaining of tip dive.
    Where from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntmonkey View Post
    Where from?
    KSL! Local classifieds.

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    I got a dust on crust day on the new limited release Noctas and love them. Didn't find them hooky at all but you have to somewhat aggressively de-tune the tips and tails. I want to say they're a little more groomer friendly than the previous version but without skiing them back to back it's hard to tell. My buddy with the same BSL has the previous ones so we'll A/B test them on the same day sometime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I got a dust on crust day on the new limited release Noctas and love them. Didn't find them hooky at all but you have to somewhat aggressively de-tune the tips and tails. I want to say they're a little more groomer friendly than the previous version but without skiing them back to back it's hard to tell. My buddy with the same BSL has the previous ones so we'll A/B test them on the same day sometime soon.
    I’ll hit mine with a gummy and see how they feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll View Post
    Ok so first pow day on the new nocta… float is there. Easy to maneuver in tight spots and overall a pretty good time. The main thing that jumped out to me however is that they felt a bit hooky (maybe due to the 19m radius?) I didn’t get a ton of runs in to due the back wearing out faster than I thought. I will post again once I have more days on them.

    Side note. I snagged a pair of the old Nocta (2022) locally for $350 in plastic. Going to mount them up and AB test them. Anyone go back a touch on the mount? I’m 6’1 205 and I remember some complaining of tip dive.

    as long as its a 190 for your size I would mount it on the line. You could probably go back one, but I’ve never had tip dive on my 190. Shit, they are hard to sink period. I’m on the line and I’m 190ish and 5’11. I like to drive a ski fairly aggressively as well.

    kid- ya exactly that one. Hmmm lotta weed between then and now. I’m excited to hear your take tomorrow on the nocta atris shootout.

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