The Black Crows thread

[SoVT Joey]

Okay ignore me I’m a moron. 1.5 base and 2 side on the 189.7 Atris and I don’t even understand why it made that much of a difference. Definitely fallen back in love with this ski.


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no. This is the exact type of beta we need. This is the kind of stuff that really makes people realize that the same old stuff is not going to work for ever. Skis are designed in CAD with mount points mathematically selected like whats being talked about in the progressive vs traditional thread and ball of foot mounting. I firmly believe the tune and bevels will make a ski behave correctly for said skier with out bumping the mount points forward or back. That being said some skis don’t have the correct mount point from the factory.

[Stuntmonkey]

no. This is the exact type of beta we need. This is the kind of stuff that really makes people realize that the same old stuff is not going to work for ever. Skis are designed in CAD with mount points mathematically selected like whats being talked about in the progressive vs traditional thread and ball of foot mounting. I firmly believe the tune and bevels will make a ski behave correctly for said skier with out bumping the mount points forward or back. That being said some skis don’t have the correct mount point from the factory.

Fair point. I noticed an immediate difference on the first run. Tails released easier, ski felt more light and pivoted easier than before. I spent 2.5 days on it just having a ball and the conditions were marginal at best. I only switched to my captis when the last days runs were tracked the hell out and the frontside was a skating rink.

That said, the Atris is still a punisher of bad form imo. If you backseat, it will make you feel it.

I think the only thing I'm really looking to add to my quiver now is a pow ski.

[sk8rat6587]

Saw the Mirus mentioned earlier, has anyone gotten on them? It looks like a fun ski.

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[Stuntmonkey]

Powder 7 has ‘22 185 Noctas with Alpinist 12s for $750. Heck of a deal.

https://www.powder7.com/Black-Crows-...-2022/for-sale

Also have ‘22 188 Corvus with marker demo bindings for $560

https://www.powder7.com/Black-Crows-...-2022/for-sale


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[halliday]

There are some great deals to be had right now. I bought a couple pair of skis at the beginning of summer 2022. Timing is everything.

[Samski360]

I just got out on my new Noctas for the first time a few days ago at Whitewater. Hunting for scraps in the trees. Snow was soft but pretty set up following a warming cycle after the most recent storm.

I have only skied one other reverse camber ski (Hoji) and personally felt like the Nocta does everything the Hoji did, but better. Better float. Similar instant pivot in tight terrain. More supportive tail when you gotta point ‘em. I never got to really open them up in soft snow so I didn’t feel any limitations of the 185cm. Mounted with kingpins and skied with Lupos.

Fwiw, mine weigh in at 2100g.

Pretty stoked on the setup and how they’re fitting into the current quiver.

[Stuntmonkey]

That’s selling me on them for a pow ski. Only hole in my quiver.

@svtjoey you asked at the start about the captis. Other than what I’ve said already, it’s a fantastic 90mm ski. It’s not super stiff, flexes really well and I personally haven’t found a speed limit. It does not excel if there’s more than 2” of fresh, but it will handle it totally fine. Expect some tip diving.

It pivots okay, but not super great. It’s at home on fresh groomers, trace and soft kick up. It’s probably the best playful all mountain ski I’ve used. Super quick edge to edge.

I hate moguls but it’s saved me there, and my grom loves bombing around the trees and I’m actually enjoying that too!


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[SoVT Joey]

@stuntmonkey thanks. That actually sounds right up my alley for something that I can work a little less on when I feel like kicking back!!

been on my 190 nocta for the last two days, yesterday at squaw, today alpine, and I absolutely could not ask for a more fun ski. Atris was in the truck and has stayed for both days. I’ve put that ski in places I’d never imagine and it never fails. If it’s gets chopped, put the beans in the front of the boot and trust it. It will do it.

thats all I got. Looks like 3 more nocta days coming out here.

[Stuntmonkey]

I’m jealous. We just got back from ice central.

Have you ridden the 185? Why did you choose the 190?


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[NotSoBright]

@stuntmonkey thanks. That actually sounds right up my alley for something that I can work a little less on when I feel like kicking back!!

been on my 190 nocta for the last two days, yesterday at squaw, today alpine, and I absolutely could not ask for a more fun ski. Atris was in the truck and has stayed for both days. I’ve put that ski in places I’d never imagine and it never fails. If it’s gets chopped, put the beans in the front of the boot and trust it. It will do it.

thats all I got. Looks like 3 more nocta days coming out here.

Dang, also selling me.

On paper, they're softer flexing skis than the BC, Whitewalker, JJ, Renegades, etc. Worried that they'll feel like noodles, especially when putting the landing gear down.

Sounds like that's not the case?

[SoVT Joey]

I had a 185. Mounted with a jester then kingpin. It didn’t have enough tail for me so I decided to go up to a 190. I’m 5’11, 190. I do ski with purpose so pushing that ski isn’t an issue for me. But I didn’t notice that much in the length, just got more tail when I needed it.

@notsobright I think they flex around the same honestly. They definitely don’t like a back seat landing but pop you back up easily. Stay centered?! Lol. Not so easy sometimes. I don’t have a problem hammering chop in them, but you do have to stay more forward and dynamic. I’ve nuked quite a few fields of shit in the last two days and haven’t wished for a different ski other then my Corvus or bodacious, some of this shit is freight train snow. Nocta still handled it well and made the top turns worth every minute.

[alpinevibes]

https://mpora.com/skiing/ski-gear-pr...ter-2023-2024/

New topsheets look good; pretty bright.
New Freebird ski to replace the Ferox is interesting. Wonder if it will lean back toward the Anima Freebird a bit?
New Dorsa Freebird skimo pack is interesting, as the Dorsa 27 is already pretty light and minimal.

We did end up skiing with a small crew for the Sunday Ski Sauvage at Highlands. SkiCo wouldn't let them do a real, on-snow demo, so it had to be a touring ski+resort skin to abide. Kinda a bummer, but fun to ski around with Tristan, Mikey and Jim Morrison. I asked Tristan what ski Bruno was skiing a month ago and he said it was a proto Navis Freebird ski. Wonder if that will come around eventually? I skied on the Corvus Freebird 183; love how it skis but a pig to skin with. Need to get some time on the Navis 179

[SoVT Joey]

I’m glad I held off on a new Corvus this year because that new top sheet is amazing. I hope they reduce a little of the camber in the new ferox replacement. It would be nice to have something more flat as an option in the touring line. I will say I love my Corvus Freebird and grab it the most.

I’m also supposed to go for a ski savauge with them in the Keene valley, but unless something greatly improves in snow in the north east that won’t be happening which is a bummer.

[Stuntmonkey]

Damn those new top sheets look great. I might hold off on the Nocta until then lol. I just grabbed some Renegades from the buy/sell here so hopefully those will make do for the limited pow skiing I'm doing this year.

[Gustavar]

Sounds like they’re updating the Nocta beyond just topsheets

From the Evo preview:

The Black Crows Nocta keeps its name but debuts with an all new cambered, asymmetrical construction. At 122 mm underfoot, this fatty ski is serious pow shredding business. While the waist width remains unchanged, the shovel tips and tails gain a few mm in all sizes, and its new medium flex double rocker camber profile provides maneuverable stability that shines in pow and beyond.

[SoVT Joey]

Sounds like they’re updating the Nocta beyond just topsheets

From the Evo preview:

Hmm, kinda gross. I may have to hoard another nocta

[mr_pretzel]

Hmm, kinda gross. I may have to hoard another nocta

Yeah real gross. Has anyone skied this years nocta? Why update a ski for one season?

[SoVT Joey]

Yeah real gross. Has anyone skied this years nocta? Why update a ski for one season?

why a fucking asym?! That’s what has got me. I mean why. I get it. Flatten it out, give it a little camber, makes it easier to get back to the lifts on lower mtn, but what the fuck is with the asym, It didn’t work for a bunch of other companies already. Maybe Julian figured something sweet out though, he is kinda a freaky genius.

[alpinevibes]

Asym is weird, but we’ll see??

Draco Freebird, sounds promising.


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[SacTo]

why a fucking asym?! That’s what has got me. I mean why. I get it. Flatten it out, give it a little camber, makes it easier to get back to the lifts on lower mtn, but what the fuck is with the asym, It didn’t work for a bunch of other companies already. Maybe Julian figured something sweet out though, he is kinda a freaky genius.

I read it as asym construction, not shape. Made by Elan right? Most of their skis have Asym construction. Maybe the shape of symetric?!?

[SoVT Joey]

I read it as asym construction, not shape. Made by Elan right? Most of their skis have Asym construction. Maybe the shape of symetric?!?

that would be killer. I can just picture the spur in my head and I’m screaming no. But asym Elan construction actually makes a lot of sense. Those builds from elan for black crows are pretty great usually

[SoVT Joey]

Any interest in a mentis 178 FLAT quiver killed for plum guides at 313mm? I skied it once, but I get too rowdy for a ski like that. It skied good for its size and weight, but who the fuck am I kidding I never have interest in using it for it’s potential, too much weed and chill for that. Like 500 flat with skins shipped. I’ll post them in gear swap later. I have the mentis special skins.

[Stuntmonkey]

MEC has 35% off skis. 22/23 models as well. Noctas for $750 CAD. No 190s left though.

[Samski360]

Photo of the Ferox replacement prototype. Hard to tell the rocker profile but looks pretty similar to the new Atris.

[Karl_H]

I hope it is an Atris Freebird.