If only there was something we could do...

[m2711c]

…yet.

[ikonfreewasatch]

US mass shootings in the last 72 hours

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you can’t have a proper Juneteenth celebration without a shooting. Amirite.

[ex-powderbroker]

maybe we should sacrifice at least one stupid racist fuck for juneteenth. good idea.

[J. Barron DeJong]

“Copas told police she was in El Paso visiting her boyfriend and was planning on meeting with him at Speaking Rock Casino after he got out of work.Copas arranged and paid for an Uber driver to pick her up from west El Paso and take her to the casino.
While she was being driven to the casino, Copas saw a traffic sign that showed the words "Juarez, Mexico" which led her to believe the Uber driver was attempting to kidnap her and driver her to Juarez, according to the arrest affidavit.
Copas then grabbed the handgun and shot the driver which caused the crash on the highway, the document stated.”

https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/woman-...o-us-54-crime#

[From_the_NEK]

“Copas told police she was in El Paso visiting her boyfriend and was planning on meeting with him at Speaking Rock Casino after he got out of work. Copas arranged and paid for an Uber driver to pick her up from west El Paso and take her to the casino.
While she was being driven to the casino, Copas saw a traffic sign that showed the words "Juarez, Mexico" which led her to believe the Uber driver was attempting to kidnap her and driver her to Juarez, according to the arrest affidavit.
Copas then grabbed the handgun and shot the driver which caused the crash on the highway, the document stated.”

https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/woman-...o-us-54-crime#

ALWAYS shoot first. It really help alleviate feelings of paranoia. Even though you end up becoming a murderer.

Sooooo many other options here rather than lethal force. That should be an absolute LAST resort. But if you have the tool, it makes it way too easy to skip all of those other options.

[KQ]

ALWAYS shoot first. It really help alleviate feelings of paranoia. Even though you end up becoming a murderer.

Sooooo many other options here rather than lethal force. That should be an absolute LAST resort. But if you have the tool, it makes it way too easy to skip all of those other options.

and so it goes................

[SumJongGuy]

it's a culture of sending generation after generation of the kids off to war whose parents weren't connected enough to get them really sweet jobs... Subjecting them to warzone environments where shooting first to de escalate really was the preferred option.. then putting them on a pedestal when they get back home as heroes.. thank you for your service, let me buy your meal etc.. then MAKING THEM COPS. It's not just the vets (PTSD is a given for 90% of these folks) but the majority of the ammoxexuals who are paranoid without a gun (and with one) fall in to this category of military/retired military.

[Dantheman]

Pregnant Ohio mom and unborn child shot and killed by 2-year-old son
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...on/ar-AA1cQcHF

[Peruvian]

Pregnant Ohio mom and unborn child shot and killed by 2-year-old son
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...on/ar-AA1cQcHF

The 2 year old had “accidentally come in contact with the gun”.

[ex-powderbroker]

2 year old was standing his ground, no problem detected.

[PNWbrit]

2 year old was standing his ground, no problem detected.

Waiting for Leroy to tell us that 2 year old shooters are statistically insignificant compared to his right to spend his life strapped.

[skaredshtles]

The 2 year old had “accidentally come in contact with the gun”.

"Ilg told police that there were safety measures in place"

[KQ]

then putting them on a pedestal when they get back home as heroes..

Guess you missed the Vietnam war

[riser4]

Guess you missed the Vietnam war

Things changed somewhat.

[SumJongGuy]

Guess you missed the Vietnam war

I did but my father was wounded there TWICE. He's buried at Arlington because of it. He was the other end of the spectrum of military mistakes.. The West Point silver spoon who disagreed with our objectives there but showed up and did his duty best he could anyway.. Then retired pretty immediately, like the day he finished his 20Y.

[leroy jenkins]

Plenty of research and stats on drug ODs & drug related violence.

https://drugabusestatistics.org/drug-overdose-deaths/

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As for non-overdose health related issues, that would be a tough breakdown.

Given that research, why doesn’t the NRA want research about gun ownership?

I have never seen decent stats on what percentage of murders are related to the drug trade and gang violence. I've seen meta level stats saying the majority of murders are, but never hard concrete numbers, and considering your link is titled something about od's I'm guessing it doesn't have those stats either. You've got a picture of some sort of study or perhaps textbook, but no link to it and no data from it? I'm not trying to do a gotcha or anything I honestly think we could all benefit from more clear data.

You're right deaths tangentially related to health costs of the drug trade would be hard to calculate, but I honestly get the impression there are forces keeping the percentage of murders related to the drug trade and gang violence obscure. I remember seeing and easily finding meta level stats on them in years past but its gotten harder and harder not easier.

People here don't even want to separate suicides from murders, let alone gang and drug related murders from other types. They're perfectly fine with intellectual dishonesty even if it doesn't actually help improve these problems, as long as it makes them feel like they are right and those who disagree with them are just stupid or crazy or evil.

Does the NRA not want research? Or do they not think the CDC are the right people to do it and there are problems with politicization of research? currently anyone can fund and do research on it, but then their political bias is evident based on who funded it. Like that oft cited 'number one cause of death of children' study, they had to manipulate the data to produce a headline that doesn't match the actual data in the study, which was done for political reasons.

Regardless, far more people die of drug deaths than murders in the USA. If you add drug and gang related murders to the drug OD deaths, its clear what we have most of all is a drug war and gang problem more than just a straight up murder problem. However its a situation that is profitable for the powers that be so they are unmotivated to solve it, and would prefer to use highly divisive issues like guns to stir up funding and votes while not really giving a shit about those deaths either.

[leroy jenkins]

Que Leroy to argue that you’re wrong. With absolutely nothing substantial to add to the discussion.

Like Altasnob, he gets off on arguing with us here. It’s the ONLY reason he logs on to TGR. Same with Dunfree and SJGwon’tevershutthefuckup.

Yea I prefer the opposite of an echo chamber to sharpen my ideas and also perhaps delude myself some of you might be open to reason.

At least I don't get off on outrage porn like some of you guys. Which one is less sane?

I do still read trip reports and current conditions threads but feel little urge to contribute.

[leroy jenkins]

Waiting for Leroy to tell us that 2 year old shooters are statistically insignificant compared to his right to spend his life strapped.

I don't carry. I don't spend my life strapped. I feel perfectly fine being unarmed in our society and feel perfectly fine with others being armed. I don't experience the kind of paranoia you guys do.

Only mfers that scare me are grizzly bears. Even mnt lions have been polite enough to give me a warning growl and nothing more.

[nickwm21]

Nobody is debating that better policing of the illicit drug trade would reduce violent crime. You’re not arguing with anyone there. It’s one of the many parallel paths to reducing gun violence.

Also - Wow. This is a gem:

Does the NRA not want research? Or do they not think the CDC are the right people to do it and there are problems with politicization of research?

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[Peruvian]

People here don't even want to separate suicides from murders, let alone gang and drug related murders from other types. They're perfectly fine with intellectual dishonesty even if it doesn't actually help improve these problems, as long as it makes them feel like they are right and those who disagree with them are just stupid or crazy or evil.

Yet when the Aussies outlawed guns, suicide went down by almost 60%

Regardless, far more people die of drug deaths than murders in the USA. If you add drug and gang related murders to the drug OD deaths, its clear what we have most of all is a drug war and gang problem more than just a straight up murder problem. However its a situation that is profitable for the powers that be so they are unmotivated to solve it, and would prefer to use highly divisive issues like guns to stir up funding and votes while not really giving a shit about those deaths either.

Whataboytism is comparing gun death to drug deaths.
Research shows that those with drug and alcohol abuse history are more likely to be involved in gun violence including suicide..

So based on these two facts, take away the guns and reduce harm by approx 60%.

[mcphee]

Yet when the Aussies outlawed guns, suicide went down by almost 60%



Whataboytism is comparing gun death to drug deaths.
Research shows that those with drug and alcohol abuse history are more likely to be involved in gun violence including suicide..

So based on these two facts, take away the guns and reduce harm by approx 60%.

he’s really sharpening “his” ideas here

[californiagrown]

Yet when the Aussies outlawed guns, suicide went down by almost 60%

This is a general strategy for everything. If you want someone to do something, you make it easy and quick for them to do it- youll see a significant uptick in usage. If you dont want someone to do something, you make them have to spend time and work for it- youll see a significant decrease in usage.

I am unsure why this basic fact, that everyone is at least subconsciously aware of, is ignored when talking about guns?

[Cisco Kid]

^^^Some people need to be dick heads. They crave turmoil. so they create it. They aspire to be contrarian assholes without even knowing it. Gives them a sense of worth. Makes them feel smart. And here in TGR they can say things they can't, or shouldn't say IRL.

You're welcome.

[dunfree]

Only mfers that scare me are grizzly bears. Even mnt lions have been polite enough to give me a warning growl and nothing more.

Dumb fuck

never ceases to amaze the moron ammosexual conspiracy weirdos that tongue Wayne LaPierres taint

[SumJongGuy]

So leroy's afraid of lions and tigers and bears...OH MY but not the tyrannical dictatorhe thinks the 2nd A was put in place to counter??
https://vpc.org/press/press-release-...c-experts-say/