If only there was something we could do...

[leroy jenkins]

you’re a douche that deserves it but in this you have a point. unfortunately, wide and untracked ownership of firearms undermines our civil liberties and shortens our lifespans. hopefully sane safe law abiding gun ownership can continue with

a database
checks on storage
insurance
permitting
etc


and your assertion that red flag laws fail is wrong. they are not perfect because there’s no national system and even if there was, it is still quite easy to get a gun by default. neither tn or ky had them so we will never know. but if you had to jump through a bunch of bureaucracy to get a gun, a shooter might change their mind if they fall into some vagina first. and if there were databases and follow ups like in canada guns wouldn’t disappear stolen from cars millions at a time or just through straw
man purchases to end up in inner cities (lax states to tight states). not to mention the way they pour over the border to canada and mx (over 80% of the guns used in crimes are from america) and to other shores.

our system brings no benefits except to people like you who want to be free of guilt for their shitty opinions. fortunately you’re in the minority on tgr and real life and at some point the laws will catch up.

What is it you're saying I deserve?


Do you admit that there are any downsides with a national registry, but think its ultimately worth it? Or is it purely a good thing, unequivocally and undualistically?

Why add the insult? Just because you're a nasty person with a heart full of hate? if I were like you I probably wouldn't trust anyone else with a gun either.

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This was my idea 50 pages ago!

Sorry I missed it. Michael Che did not!


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[ex-powderbroker]

you should feel the guilt over indifference to tens of thousands of preventable deaths that your shitty opinions enable.

next time you read about a suicide with a just purchased gun, that was you.

mass shooting, you again

kid in chicago with a gun from indiana? yup, you

eta: let’s not forget about kids in prison schools. thanks, leroy!

[mcphee]

Lol. Biathlon is an insane sport? How?

It involves a firearm. That’s fucking weird.

[leroy jenkins]

you should feel the guilt over indifference to tens of thousands of preventable deaths that your shitty opinions enable.

next time you read about a suicide with a just purchased gun, that was you.

mass shooting, you again

kid in chicago with a gun from indiana? yup, you

eta: let’s not forget about kids in prison schools. thanks, leroy!

Your hate is far more culpable.

People don't kill themselves just because there is a gun. they do it because they find the world to be a cold inhospitable place. But ok, cling to your hate if you want.

[Cisco Kid]

Yeah, the do. But pease go on.

[nickwm21]

I learned an interesting fact today that was parallel to the US gun issue…

One of the reasons the US has more automobile accident fatalities than the EU (outside of the fact we drive more, take transit less, and have larger vehicles) is that 9% of US drivers don’t wear seatbelts compared to 2% of EU drivers…

We’re a culture of “I do whatever the fuck I want regardless of logic”


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[leroy jenkins]

Yeah, the do. But pease go on.

not its not the cause. No one starts having suicidal ideation just because guns exist. that is ridiculous. You could argue lack of access to guns would prevent suicide, but its absolutely ridiculous to argue that just their existence is what causes suicidal ideation and tendencies. thats like a lifetime of trauma hurt etc.


You guys have a great day. This has been super weird and disappointingly crazy. I hope you all can get some therapy and maybe at least consider that your hate might not be something worth clinging to. I'll try and believe you're just trolling me and aren't actually like this.

[Flounder]

Well saying I 100% support red flag laws is stating it with a BPD level binary black and white thinking. Obviously there needs to be nuance in how they are implemented. Obviously duality exists in the world, and many things aren't unequivocally good. Like compassion for trans kids is fantastic but that doesn't mean there isn't a potential for harm by removing the requirement to attempt therapeutic intervention before medical, and that compassion for kids harmed by this who later choose to detransition isn't valid as well.

I feel like 10 years ago this was common sense. Not now though.

What the fuck is this word salad? I asked if you support background checks and red flag laws to deal with the mental health issue that you claim is the issue. You ramble on about trans kids? Just say no, you don’t support anything except more guns and more death. At least own it, don’t start rambling about trans people who just want the same rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness as the rest of us.

[leroy jenkins]

I learned an interesting fact today that was parallel to the US gun issue…

One of the reasons the US has more automobile accident fatalities than the EU (outside of the fact we drive more, take transit less, and have larger vehicles) is that 9% of US drivers don’t wear seatbelts compared to 2% of EU drivers…

We’re a culture of “I do whatever the fuck I want regardless of logic”


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And how does the fact more euros smoke cigs fit into this?

[leroy jenkins]

What the fuck is this word salad? I asked if you support background checks and red flag laws to deal with the mental health issue that you claim is the issue. You ramble on about trans kids? Just say no, you don’t support anything except more guns and more death. At least own it, don’t start rambling about trans people who just want the same rights to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness as the rest of us.

Because I support them if they're done right. You asked if I support them just yes or no. Thats BPD level binary thinking.

[mcphee]

I'll try and believe you're just trolling me and aren't actually like this.

loser energy right there.

[SumJongGuy]

Lol. Nice hyperbolic dismissal of legitimate concerns, when science has since shown that masks do very little to help protect anyone, and there are downsides to their use.

Its also just very black and white binary thinking. Like masks equal good and opposition equals crazy. Nevermind that there are negative consequences to kids being masked during their developmental years. Nope, any opposition is purely selfish right wing crazy and deserves to be mocked. Its completely black and white right?

instead of weighing the very real pros and cons of these things, they are reduced to this incredibly simplified black and white bullshit. Same with guns. Most liberals can't seem to interact with the actual complexity of the universe and need to reduce things to a BPD level of binary.

I remember years ago I used to have liberal friends who could say yea, there are some pros to civilian gun ownership, but I disagree. And I could say, yea, there are surely some cons to civilian gun ownership, and I can admit that and weigh those against the pros. Now most liberals can't even admit that the pros are even remotely valid, resorting to ridicule and sarcasm. This is a refuge for those who can't deal with the world's actual complexity.

I don't even know where to start with this pile of bullshit except that mask use/adoption was a huge net gain at the height of the pandemic before vaccine adoption. There are some negative consequences but I'll take living through negative consequences with some level of goods and services available over the massively higher death toll and fewer goods and services wtih no masks. Imagine finding people to work fucking retail at the height with no mask mandates? We'd be have been totally fucked dipshit. And ya, the people who were throwing toddler tantrums over it are the mostly same people throwing toddler tantrums at the notion of having to go to McDonalds without a fucking gun. 100% stand by that statement..

[bennymac]

Tell us again about how the US is no different than other developed countries when it comes to guns and gun violence. Back it up with stats.

[Cisco Kid]

You guys have a great day. This has been super weird and disappointingly crazy. I hope you all can get some therapy and maybe at least consider that your hate might not be something worth clinging to. I'll try and believe you're just trolling me and aren't actually like this.

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[BCMtnHound]

And how does the fact more euros smoke cigs fit into this?

Marketing, propensity for addiction, and personal susceptibility coupled with cultural acceptability.
Thanks for drawing a great parallel to US gun culture.

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not its not the cause. No one starts having suicidal ideation just because guns exist. that is ridiculous. You could argue lack of access to guns would prevent suicide, but it's absolutely ridiculous to argue that just their existence is what causes suicidal ideation and tendencies. thats like a lifetime of trauma hurt etc.

No one is arguing that.
The opportunity/availability & the immediacy/finality make guns ripe for someone who is challenged with suicidal thoughts to act on their thoughts. There is more often than not no second chance when someone reaches for a gun to end their life.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-m...case-fatality/
https://everytownresearch.org/report...ung-americans/

Further, stats correlate that states with higher gun ownership also have higher suicide rates among men, women and children.
And the lethality of firearms vs the next most attempted type of suicide, drug OD, shows drug suicide is far less successful & often can be reversed.
https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/guns-and-suicide/

[ex-powderbroker]

Your hate is far more culpable.

People don't kill themselves just because there is a gun. they do it because they find the world to be a cold inhospitable place. But ok, cling to your hate if you want.

guns are an available and efficient means to kill oneself. when the means are less available and efficient then suicide rates go down. suicide is often an impulse behavior, which is why often you see failed attempters so grateful for another chance,but guns are designed to kill and usually suffice for the purpose.

literally, you are running krueger personified.

follow some links and learn something.

i do hate your altaslob tenacity to keep posting from a place of ignorance, your inability to back anything up with facts, and refusal to answer questions or engage in good faith debate.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-m...r/saves-lives/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/

do you even contribute in a single positive way here or is it just bs and trolling?

[mcphee]

When gun owners start crying about being victims of hate and discrimination, they’re exhibiting delusional behavior and their guns should be taken away.

[J. Barron DeJong]

On a long enough timeline they will.

The life of one individual is a very short thing.


Did you really include Germany and Japan and Italy in there? Lol. Seriously? never read a history book? Hint, they already were, not that long ago at all.

This is really the argument you're making? Like, I can't believe this is just something you said? For serial? Super serial? You should really stop and think about this.

Yeah, how did those countries end up like that?

Like, I’m not really a history buff, but I’ve read some.

Where are all these examples of stable democracies turning to oppressive fascism because the citizenry wasn’t armed sufficiently?

I’d suggest that WWII Germany, Italy, and Japan don’t fit there.

[TBS]

You’re right. Difficult things aren’t worth doing for the greater good.

What’s your easy-peasy solution?

No easy solutions exist. But how about making all semi-auto weapon purchases subject to requirements of 1934 National Firearms Act? No bans, no fucking around trying to define an “assault weapon”, just stringent time consuming background checks and strict limitations on transfers.

Won’t do much for the existing inventory of firearms in public hands, but it seems like (anecdotal) most mass shooters own their AR just a few weeks before wreaking havoc. So I’m guessing the risk to society declines the longer someone owns an AR or 9mm semiauto.

Oh yeah, and nationwide red flag laws would be a good idea if you want to keep guns out of violent peoples hands.

And it probably stand zero chance of ever being enacted.

[jackstraw]

Having a discussion with Leroy and a few others in here is like having a discussion with a flat earther. Same mentality.

One can only hope the next generation that is and has been living thru this shit changes our path.

[TBS]

^^^Agreed. Why people respond- quoting him! - just baffles me

[skaredshtles]

Yes. Fucking IGNORE leroy. And if you can't ignore him, put him on Ignore so he doesn't show up in the thread. It's USELESS.

[BCMtnHound]

Hey, if the gun nuts are engaged in posting here, at least they aren’t actively engaging in gun violence elsewhere. Small mercies and all that.