If only there was something we could do...

[ex-powderbroker]

the point is to reduce gun violence which is unique in rate to this country, and the fact that the violence like our laws are complete outliers.

does england not have shit to protect? canada? etc

your idea that everyone here just wants to ban guns is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion here but it’s just an example of your low quality posts as much as anything.

[jackstraw]

I wonder if there is a point where anti gun people, if they get their way and pass more and more and more gun laws, will admit they aren't fixing the problem.

If they had any intellectual honesty, I think they'd just admit that point doesn't exist, and they'd like all guns banned, which will fail to make the world or america a safe place.
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That is complete and utter bullshit. Did you actually read what you wrote? Have you looked around the world and compared us to other first world nations? Is it not broken? If you don't think so, then, once again, you and people who think like you are the problem and you don't even know it.

[::: :::]

I wonder if there is a point where car safety people, if they get their way and pass more and more and more car safety laws, will admit they aren't fixing the problem.

If they had any intellectual honesty, I think they'd just admit that point doesn't exist, and they'd like all cars banned, which will fail to make the world or america a safe place.

But its also just like one or two more 'common sense' restrictions that will drastically change human nature and our heavily individualistic alienating society that lacks community, or the ability to instill common values into its young and if you're not on board with their agenda you're evil crazy etc.

They're so emotionally against the idea that pedestrians just learn some common vehicle avoidance techniques, and that the world isn't just a big happy safe place full of rainbows and unicorns. The previous few decades were the safest in all of history yet they feel entitled to the kind of safety that has literally never existed anywhere, including in those decades.

There has never been a time when children did not need some form of protection. The Donalds wall on the southern border was pretty stupid, but a decent brake foot with your head on a swivel around schools isn't going to traumatize our children. i admit there are problems with having a bunch of kids walking to schools, drivers will begin to target the children for excessive slow walking and involve them in traffic unnecessarily but I fail to see what is so abhorrent about just basic time adjustments in our schools to keep kids away from roads during commute times.

These drivers choose the softest slowest targets they can.

So lets be honest guys, at what point do you admit maybe just going after drivers hasn't solved it? or do you admit you just want all cars illegal? At what point will you be satisfied and direct your attention elsewhere?

Sorry you can all get back to circle jerking and fart smelling now.

uhuh


car use has gone up despite increasingly more regulation
more americans have more mobility than ever, and fewer people die on roads than ever before
[somewhere in that blue & black curve after 2000, you can start to argue that we've plateau'ed, but that's after decades of progressive changes and improvements...]

[SumJongGuy]

Gun nuts can't stop throwing darts at other causes.. I guess ADHD and antidepressant meds are the latest. PTSD.. on and on.. The thing is they're right about that part, a lot of it.. WE'RE ALL A LITTLE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD!! EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS THE CAPACITY TO LOSE OUR SHIT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. Road rage is the perfect example. It's not one single thing or type of people who shouldn't be allowed to have the heavy artillery. Giving everyone access to this ridiculous firepower is proving that way more of us are unstable than some realize. That's fucking why we shouldn't all have easy access to this shit.... except those of us in the most "well regulated" situations like cops and soldiers.

The "I need more guns to protect myself from all these nuts with guns" is the fucking stupidest logic ever.

[schuss]

Gun nuts can't stop throwing darts at other causes.. I guess ADHD and antidepressant meds are the latest. PTSD.. on and on.. The thing is they're right about that part, a lot of it.. WE'RE ALL A LITTLE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD!! EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS THE CAPACITY TO LOSE OUR SHIT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. Road rage is the perfect example. It's not one single thing or type of people who shouldn't be allowed to have the heavy artillery. Giving everyone access to this ridiculous firepower is proving that way more of us are unstable than some realize. That's fucking why we shouldn't all have easy access to this shit.... except those of us in the most "well regulated" situations like cops and soldiers.

The "I need more guns to protect myself from all these nuts with guns" is the fucking stupidest logic ever.

It would be one thing if the gun nuts then supported legislation to fix that shit, but no, they aren't even that honest. They blame mental health then stand as blockades in front of any potential funding or fixes. My only hope now is that they die alone instead of snapping and killing others.

Oh, and car-wise, the only reason accident stats aren't lower is that cell phones/distracted driving has put us at a standstill the last decade or so.

[J. Barron DeJong]

I'm asking at what point do you say we have passed enough laws? is there such a point or is it always just current status quo plus a few more laws?

Is there any such point? Can you answer the question, or just be sarcastic? I'm asking in good faith.

How about we pass some laws that put us in the neighborhood of other developed countries and see how that works?

[bennymac]

JFC

“The previous few decades were the safest in all of history yet they feel entitled to the kind of safety that has literally never existed anywhere, including in those decades.”

And then the false idea that this constitutes intellectual honesty LOL

Never existed anywhere! Jesus Christ dude get a grip on reality.

It’s not honest nor intellectual if you have zero idea what the rest of the developed world is like.

[::: :::]

JFC

“The previous few decades were the safest in all of history yet they feel entitled to the kind of safety that has literally never existed anywhere, including in those decades.”

if there was ever evidence in a single sentence that gun nuts don't think clearly...

[neufox47]

I wonder if there is a point where anti gun people, if they get their way and pass more and more and more gun laws, will admit they aren't fixing the problem.

If they had any intellectual honesty, I think they'd just admit that point doesn't exist, and they'd like all guns banned, which will fail to make the world or america a safe place.

But its also just like one or two more 'common sense' restrictions that will drastically change human nature and our heavily individualistic alienating society that lacks community, or the ability to instill common values into its young and if you're not on board with their agenda you're evil crazy etc.

They're so emotionally against the idea that anything ever need to be protected or secured, and that the world isn't just a big happy safe place full of rainbows and unicorns. The previous few decades were the safest in all of history yet they feel entitled to the kind of safety that has literally never existed anywhere, including in those decades.

There has never been a time when children did not need some form of protection. The Donalds wall on the southern border was pretty stupid, but a decent fence with limited access points around schools isn't going to traumatize our children. i admit there are problems with having a bunch of cops in schools, they will begin to target the children for excessive law enforcement and involve them in the legal system unnecessarily but I fail to see what is so abhorrent about just basic security measures in our schools.

These shooters choose the softest least secured targets they can.

So lets be honest guys, at what point do you admit maybe just going after gun owners hasn't solved it? or do you admit you just want all guns illegal? At what point will you be satisfied and direct your attention elsewhere?

Sorry you can all get back to circle jerking and fart smelling now.

If we had the gun laws of Canada, the UK or almost any other western nation we wouldn’t have mass shootings, and wayyy less gun violence. How can you possibly ignore the gun violence and mass shooting rates of other Western countries with strict gun control? Especially since many of them had a mass shooting, passed stricter gun control laws, then basically never had another mass shooting?

Not that this would ever happen but ban and confiscate all semi-automatic weapons, require background checks on all purchases and drastically restrict concealed carry, and the gun violence problem goes down to European levels.

Mass shooters want to cause chaos and inflict major damage, if their only fire arm option is a revolver, bolt action rifle or shotgun, the prospect of inflicting damage goes down significantly.

Do you have a fun made up antidotal story about some some young liberal Russian who’s against guns even though her dad was killed by the Nazis because he didn’t have a gun?

[boltonoutlaw]

I wonder if there is a point where anti gun people, if they get their way and pass more and more and more gun laws, will admit they aren't fixing the problem.

If they had any intellectual honesty, I think they'd just admit that point doesn't exist, and they'd like all guns banned, which will fail to make the world or america a safe place.

But its also just like one or two more 'common sense' restrictions that will drastically change human nature and our heavily individualistic alienating society that lacks community, or the ability to instill common values into its young and if you're not on board with their agenda you're evil crazy etc.

They're so emotionally against the idea that anything ever need to be protected or secured, and that the world isn't just a big happy safe place full of rainbows and unicorns. The previous few decades were the safest in all of history yet they feel entitled to the kind of safety that has literally never existed anywhere, including in those decades.

There has never been a time when children did not need some form of protection. The Donalds wall on the southern border was pretty stupid, but a decent fence with limited access points around schools isn't going to traumatize our children. i admit there are problems with having a bunch of cops in schools, they will begin to target the children for excessive law enforcement and involve them in the legal system unnecessarily but I fail to see what is so abhorrent about just basic security measures in our schools.

These shooters choose the softest least secured targets they can.

So lets be honest guys, at what point do you admit maybe just going after gun owners hasn't solved it? or do you admit you just want all guns illegal? At what point will you be satisfied and direct your attention elsewhere?

Sorry you can all get back to circle jerking and fart smelling now.

You live in an ethnocentric vacuum. Go to Japan and watch all your arguments fall apart

[MakersTeleMark]

https://coloradosun.com/2023/04/06/c...lained-charts/

[PNWbrit]

How can you possibly ignore the gun violence and mass shooting rates of other Western countries with strict gun control?

Welcome to TGR!!!

[Cono Este]

Finally! They are high lighting how the Louisville shooters gun will be auctioned off by the police. I’ve been pointing this fucking craziness out for yrs. Cops sell their own guns back to the public. Years ago, you could buy a former California Highway Patrol gun when they upgraded. But not in California. Hypocrites! Thousand of Glocks are traded in for credit by depts for upgrades and sold every year. No, make that 10’s of thousand.

Lots of common sense shit that gets over looked when we just focus on one type of gun.

It’s definition of insanity. Get shot at by your own, former, Glock!

[SumJongGuy]

It would be one thing if the gun nuts then supported legislation to fix that shit, but no, they aren't even that honest. They blame mental health then stand as blockades in front of any potential funding or fixes. My only hope now is that they die alone instead of snapping and killing others.

Oh, and car-wise, the only reason accident stats aren't lower is that cell phones/distracted driving has put us at a standstill the last decade or so.

Cars, hammers, baseball bats, knives, etc are all false equivalencies. All of those other tools deliver MASSIVE net social and monetary value to society. The fact that they could be used IF guns weren't easier is a moot point.. Even if they were we still benefit greatly from their use. All allowing non LEO/Military folks to carry guns does is make them feel better but it really puts them and everyone around them at greater risk. All just so they can pretend to feel better.

[leroy jenkins]

How about we pass some laws that put us in the neighborhood of other developed countries and see how that works?

OK so you're saying when that doesn't solve the problem you'll just want more laws? Correct?

[leroy jenkins]

My point is that there aren’t any significant laws yet. When mass shooters can legally acquire assault-style firearms then there aren’t enough laws to prevent that. I say that in good faith.

And reinstating the assault-style weapon ban is good place to start. Let’s give it a try - if it doesn’t work, we can take the next step.

At what point do you say that there are too many mass shootings? Too much gun violence? Answer in good faith please

Is there any point at which you'd say enough laws are enough even if they don't solve the problem? or is it always just current state of things plus a few?

I understand your point. Its not answering my question.

[J. Barron DeJong]

OK so you're saying when that doesn't solve the problem you'll just want more laws? Correct?

What I’m saying is this country isn’t some unique snowflake. Implement the same laws that everywhere else has and watch gun violence decline.

I’ll issue a mea culpa if the laws are implemented but violence doesn’t drop.

[leroy jenkins]

If we had the gun laws of Canada, the UK or almost any other western nation we wouldn’t have mass shootings, and wayyy less gun violence. How can you possibly ignore the gun violence and mass shooting rates of other Western countries with strict gun control? Especially since many of them had a mass shooting, passed stricter gun control laws, then basically never had another mass shooting?

Not that this would ever happen but ban and confiscate all semi-automatic weapons, require background checks on all purchases and drastically restrict concealed carry, and the gun violence problem goes down to European levels.

Mass shooters want to cause chaos and inflict major damage, if their only fire arm option is a revolver, bolt action rifle or shotgun, the prospect of inflicting damage goes down significantly.

Do you have a fun made up antidotal story about some some young liberal Russian who’s against guns even though her dad was killed by the Nazis because he didn’t have a gun?

You're right that won't every happen. You'll never confiscate all semi auto weapons.

Can we talk about things somewhat in the realm of possibility?


Even with australias very strict gun laws, there are many estimates that there remain hundreds of thousands of illegal guns. Lets stick to reality not your fantasies.

[mcphee]

OK so you're saying when that doesn't solve the problem you'll just want more laws? Correct?

No, if that doesn’t solve the problem just one, specific action will do:

Repeal the 2nd Amendment and nationalize firearm manufacturers. We’ve made it clear that the public and manufacturers cannot be trusted with this responsibility anymore.

[schuss]

Cars, hammers, baseball bats, knives, etc are all false equivalencies. All of those other tools deliver MASSIVE net social and monetary value to society. The fact that they could be used IF guns weren't easier is a moot point.. Even if they were we still benefit greatly from their use. All allowing non LEO/Military folks to carry guns does is make them feel better but it really puts them and everyone around them at greater risk. All just so they can pretend to feel better.

Oh yeah, not even getting into that bullshit as then you need to qualify by usage (ie deaths in cars vs guns needs to be qualified by frequency of usage metrics to even get close to apples to apples).
My point was that even if we take the leap that they're arguing in good faith, they won't put their money where their mouths are.

[TBS]

No, if that doesn’t solve the problem just one, specific action will do:

Repeal the 2nd Amendment and nationalize firearm manufacturers. We’ve made it clear that the public and manufacturers cannot be trusted with this responsibility anymore.

That’s two specific actions
Rescission of a constitutional amendment requires the legislatures of 38 states to vote in favor. Plus 2/3 of both houses of Congress.
Get right on that. Should be a piece of cake. Report back on progress next week

[Meadow Skipper]

Is there any point at which you'd say enough laws are enough even if they don't solve the problem? or is it always just current state of things plus a few?

I understand your point. Its not answering my question.

You didn’t answer my questions.

[ex-powderbroker]

gun nuts gonna gun nut

[TBS]

More like case study in Dunning Kruger effect

[SumJongGuy]

That's because someone could steal his gun and shoot his own mother/child with it and he'd go buy another gun..