All Things Volkl Thread

[bodywhomper]

My 17 yo loves his shiros

Anybody know the factory edge bevels for m102?

[bry]

I think they are 1 base/2 side

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[Bandit Man]

Shiros got the call today in SoCal

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Shiros in SoCal? That’s a special day!

[bodywhomper]

I think they are 1 base/2 side

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Thx. Mine are slightly edge high

[Djongo Unchained]

I've been dicking around with my bases on the new m102's.

They were def edge high for about 12-18" out front and maybe 8" in the tails. pretty flat underfoot.
Finally got them ground but wasn't overstoked on the work. The machine didn't get em flat all the way to the tip and it had a few flaws in the stone that transferred onto the base. And I asked for a linear spring cut and got a cold powder cut.
Goddammit.

any how I got 1 and 2 on the edges.
So the skis skied more effortlessly before; now they seem laggy and more grabby. My feet are closer together than usual it's weird. Like a 10% narrower stance. I don't like it. Gotta loosen them up. Detuned a little for day one and a bunch more for day two, we'll see.
Sometimes I should just leave well enough alone.

[bodywhomper]

That’s a bummer ^^

Mine aren’t extremely edge high and they may be flat underfoot, too. I’ll have to double check. I may leave them and see how they wear because I don’t think I’ll have time to work on flattening before skiing them (I have skivisions tools). I’d rather get the edges polished and detune the sensitive areas. They’re currently curing by my stove for the night.

[mr_pretzel]

Shiros got the call today in SoCal

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Love it! Are these the go to on the wider end at the moment?

[bry]

Yeah, found them at play it again sports Bozeman, had rarely seen snow.

[bodywhomper]

That’s a bummer ^^

Mine aren’t extremely edge high and they may be flat underfoot, too. I’ll have to double check. I may leave them and see how they wear because I don’t think I’ll have time to work on flattening before skiing them (I have skivisions tools). I’d rather get the edges polished and detune the sensitive areas. They’re currently curing by my stove for the night.

I made time today to prep my m102. Bases were barely edge high to flat. Now fairly flat with structure from my skivisions medium stone. Put a 1:3 base:side bevel. The factory edge tune, especially the side bevel, was really variable. I only detuned a little bit and am unclear how much to detune/dull at the sensitive areas (tip and tail).

[Djongo Unchained]

That snow beneath the shiros looks eminently carveable. Suhweeet.

My tune was not off by much from factory, maybe a mm or less in the shovels of light gap. Noticeable but not bad.
I only had them ground because I like em perfectly flat, which can be a challenge and maybe a machine gives an operator less latitude to press the shovel into the stone.
I was looking for a bit more aggressive grind but as we got cold pow the next day, the pattern wasn't bad.
I'll get em back to perfect soon enough.

[bodywhomper]

The surprise to me was the variability of the side bevel. I took off a fair bit of material on one edge , variable amount on a second, and barely any on the other two. I take care to clean material out from my files after each pass. I deburred the edge before filing. /geeking out.

[Shorty_J]

The surprise to me was the variability of the side bevel. I took off a fair bit of material on one edge , variable amount on a second, and barely any on the other two. I take care to clean material out from my files after each pass. I deburred the edge before filing. /geeking out.

That's actually not surprising to me.

I think the last 4 new pairs of new volkls I bought were a VERY LITTLE edge high in the extremities, but they also didn't have the same bevel angle as under foot. It was obvious this was the case because using my base bevel tool took material off at the extremities but not under foot.

It is almost like the edge has rotated in a bit in those areas... and if that affects the base edge it should also affect the side bevel.

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[swissbro]

I've been dicking around with my bases on the new m102's.

They were def edge high for about 12-18" out front and maybe 8" in the tails. pretty flat underfoot.
Finally got them ground but wasn't overstoked on the work. The machine didn't get em flat all the way to the tip and it had a few flaws in the stone that transferred onto the base. And I asked for a linear spring cut and got a cold powder cut.
Goddammit.

any how I got 1 and 2 on the edges.
So the skis skied more effortlessly before; now they seem laggy and more grabby. My feet are closer together than usual it's weird. Like a 10% narrower stance. I don't like it. Gotta loosen them up. Detuned a little for day one and a bunch more for day two, we'll see.
Sometimes I should just leave well enough alone.

I’ve had a very perplexing situation with my new Kendos. Skied them in low snow conditions in the Canadian Rockies during most of January where they got some rock damage to the edges and the bases. I took them to the main ski shop at Sun Peaks for a complete tune. When I took them out for their first run they were as close to being unskiable as anything I’ve ever skied. When I checked them with my true bar I found they were edge high the entire length of both skis. I took them to another shop to getting them reworked. They came back flat, but they still weren’t the skis I had been skiing and liked for weeks. They were impossible to drift on firm and the tails grabbed. Ended up having tuned again at a shop where I’ve been taking my skis for years to see if the technician could resolve the problem. No luck. Seems like they’re warped?? 1/2 bevel same as I have on my other five pair of Volkls. Thinking I would send them to Volkl to see if they have any insight. Not looking for them to spring for another pair. Thoughts?


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[Beder]

I’ve had a very perplexing situation with my new Kendos. Skied them in low snow conditions in the Canadian Rockies during most of January where they got some rock damage to the edges and the bases. I took them to the main ski shop at Sun Peaks for a complete tune. When I took them out for their first run they were as close to being unskiable as anything I’ve ever skied. When I checked them with my true bar I found they were edge high the entire length of both skis. I took them to another shop to getting them reworked. They came back flat, but they still weren’t the skis I had been skiing and liked for weeks. They were impossible to drift on firm and the tails grabbed. Ended up having tuned again at a shop where I’ve been taking my skis for years to see if the technician could resolve the problem. No luck. Seems like they’re warped?? 1/2 bevel same as I have on my other five pair of Volkls. Thinking I would send them to Volkl to see if they have any insight. Not looking for them to spring for another pair. Thoughts?


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I have had similar experiences several times. I now mount, tune and wax my own skis, but there are times when a ski needs a base grind. And when then happens you never know what the fuck you're gonna get back.

My Volkl M102 was the center piece of my quiver. Loved that ski. Took it to Chile last summer where it met enough rocks to warrant a full tune afterwards. Not the same ski anymore, and I live in a ski town full of "expert" tuners. Somebody else now owns that ski.

As far as your Kendos, I would have immediately taken them back to the original shop and let them try to fix the problem first. In my experience a good shop will cooperate. Those guys know bad tunes leave the shop sometimes.

[bamboocoreONLY]

still have one 184cm and one 177cm revolt 114 in the shop that we could cut a mag price for!

[turnfarmer]

Has anyone seen/skied the Revolt 96s. Kind of intrigued by them. Are they modeled on the 114 or the121/104, ie more all mountain or more freestyle ish?

[SnakeMagnet]

114 is the black sheep, the 95 is a narrow 104. Close to center with softer ends, more like a fat bash for lighter park rats than an all mountain freeride ski.

[Cork7 Belly Flop]

My 17 yo loves his shiros

Anybody know the factory edge bevels for m102?

The "stated" factory settings on the website's FAQ are 1.4 base/2.4 side.

[bodywhomper]

Y’all talking about tunes, you can do a lot on your own. Alpinoid, owner of slidewright, sells a lot of different options for doing edge work. Plus he sells the skivisions base tool along with his own inventions that fit to the skivisions tool.

[Cork7 Belly Flop]

...I took [Kendos] to the main ski shop at Sun Peaks for a complete tune. When I took them out for their first run they were as close to being unskiable as anything I’ve ever skied. When I checked them with my true bar I found they were edge high the entire length of both skis. I took them to another shop to getting them reworked. They came back flat, but they still weren’t the skis I had been skiing and liked for weeks. They were impossible to drift on firm and the tails grabbed. Ended up having tuned again at a shop where I’ve been taking my skis for years to see if the technician could resolve the problem. No luck...

...My Volkl M102 was the center piece of my quiver. Loved that ski. Took it to Chile last summer where it met enough rocks to warrant a full tune afterwards. Not the same ski anymore, and I live in a ski town full of "expert" tuners. Somebody else now owns that ski....

What kind of structure did you guys end up with on your skis?

I did a full tune (1 base/2 side) on my M102's this season and I also found they were harder to turn afterwards. Had a second tune done and they were a little bit better, but still not as easy as when I first had them. They've been getting progressively better over the course of the season so my guess is either the structure peaks are flattening a bit, or the base bevel is slowly getting larger.

[sf]

The "stated" factory settings on the website's FAQ are 1.4 base/2.4 side.

That’s very interesting…..thanks

[bodywhomper]

Normal wear on skis will make them base high. If you’re doing edge work with skis that are incrementally becoming more and more base high due to use/wear, you will be incrementally changing your edge angles

[1000-oaks]

Out of the wrapper, my M5, M102, and K108 were all a bit concave at the tail in the rockered area Since the edge-high area is past the running length, it doesn't seem like a concern, especially after I knocked it down with a file

[Djongo Unchained]

Yeah, I don't know what's up with the new tune situation I have but I'm pretty disappointed.
Not in the skis, not in the tune, just that they were so good and effortless when not dialed in and now, after trying to perfect them, they tank.

I'm sure they'll come around but wtf?.

I've detuned the fuck outta them and waxed a few times to refill the base. I hate to dumb them down into submission as I've been enjoying the sharp edges but fuck man, grabby, overturny skis ain't gonna get it.

And yeah, we all have the tuning tools. Except for maybe the stone grinder.

[Shorty_J]

Yeah, I don't know what's up with the new tune situation I have but I'm pretty disappointed.
Not in the skis, not in the tune, just that they were so good and effortless when not dialed in and now, after trying to perfect them, they tank.

I'm sure they'll come around but wtf?.

I've detuned the fuck outta them and waxed a few times to refill the base. I hate to dumb them down into submission as I've been enjoying the sharp edges but fuck man, grabby, overturny skis ain't gonna get it.

And yeah, we all have the tuning tools. Except for maybe the stone grinder.

Maybe the shop put a standard 1/2 on them and if the factory is using 1.4 base you might feel that.

The base bevel guide I use is cheap but will allow me to put a base bevel on in 0.5 degree steps.

If it were me I'd try 1.5 base on the whole thing and see how that feels.

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