New Strive - paging ONK

[iriponsnow]

I think the main draws are a lower stack height and auto toe height vs having to adjust manually.

On hole pattern what I’ve gleaned is that they follow warden 13 pattern except strive 16 has sth2 heel, warden toe.

I think the stack is taller, but the delta is less. My interest is purely that the STH2 WTR seems to be getting phased out at some point. I’m not really interested in the STH MNC toggle - seems like a gimmick looking for a place.

[SnowMachine]

I think the main draws are a lower stack height and auto toe height vs having to adjust manually.

On hole pattern what I’ve gleaned is that they follow warden 13 pattern except strive 16 has sth2 heel, warden toe.

I’d have to measure stack height. It can’t be that much lower and it can only be the toe (at least on the 16) since it has a STH heel. The toe height is still adjustable (at least on the 16). Wings are not adjustable. They have a sliding AFD (love it or hate it)

I’ll be honest…. They ski like a STH.

[SnowMachine]

I think the stack is taller, but the delta is less. My interest is purely that the STH2 WTR seems to be getting phased out at some point. I’m not really interested in the STH MNC toggle - seems like a gimmick looking for a place.

I would tend to agree here. I’ll go measure stack height. I don’t have any MNC STH’s, so no comment on those. WTR’s are available as 16’s still.

[optics]

Rereading the info widely available on the webz: not stack height (same as sth2) just lower COM.

And obviously it goes without saying that all product companies work with varying degrees of planned obsolescence...of course they want to sell new widgets even if the old ones are fine. Most consumers aren’t paying this kind of attention they just want the new-new.

[SnowMachine]

Rereading the info widely available on the webz: not stack height (same as sth2) just lower COM.

And obviously it goes without saying that all product companies work with varying degrees of planned obsolescence...of course they want to sell new widgets even if the old ones are fine. Most consumers aren’t paying this kind of attention they just want the new-new.

For science:

P15: 17/19mm
STH2 13: 17/25mm
Strive 16: 20/25mm

So, conclusively, there is less delta on the Strive than the STH2.

I’d love to ski the same skis back to back with these bindings. I’d bet that I can feel the difference between the STH2 and the Pivot. Outside that, I’m sure they feel different in terms of dampening, too.

Edit: those are my measurements just now with calipers in the garage AND edited my mistake.

[iriponsnow]

For science:

P15: 17/19mm
STH2 13: 17/25mm
Strive 16: 20/25mm

So, conclusively, there is less delta on the Strive than the Pivot.

I’d love to ski the same skis back to back with these bindings. I’d bet that I can feel the difference between the STH2 and the Pivot. Outside that, I’m sure they feel different in terms of dampening, too.

Edit: those are my measurements just now with calipers in the garage.

Huh?! You mean more.

Here's the way I break the differences down. If you carve, STH2 ; stand over the boards, pivots. Same skier can use each in different situations.

[SnowMachine]

Huh?! You mean more.

Here's the way I break the differences down. If you carve, STH2 ; stand over the boards, pivots. Same skier can use each in different situations.

Sorry.... meant to say STH2, not Pivot. Edited to correct.

Also, what if you do both?? Again, I'd love to ski them back to back on the same skis. I'm curious how much difference you'd feel.

[SnowMachine]

I also just noticed that the Strive 14 doesn't have the adjustable height toe. Basically the 14 and the 16 are totally different bindings. Hmmm.

[SoVT Joey]

Sorry.... meant to say STH2, not Pivot. Edited to correct.

Also, what if you do both?? Again, I'd love to ski them back to back on the same skis. I'm curious how much difference you'd feel.

If you do both, ride a jester pro instead and get the best of both worlds.

[tupp_]

This is confusing - I always referenced this site (below) which lists the pivots at a 5mm delta!

https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...g-delta-angles

[Bandit Man]

I also just noticed that the Strive 14 doesn't have the adjustable height toe. Basically the 14 and the 16 are totally different bindings. Hmmm.

Wanna know something even more mind boggling?

In the 2024 Salomon catalog there is a Strive 14 MN and a Strive 14 GW. The MN has the adjustable toe height like the Strive 16 and the 14 GW does not.

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[SnowMachine]

Wanna know something even more mind boggling?

In the 2024 Salomon catalog there is a Strive 14 MN and a Strive 14 GW. The MN has the adjustable toe height like the Strive 16 and the 14 GW does not.

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Oh geez….

[iriponsnow]

I am now throughly confused bc Sali came out w this binder bc it was to have a self adjusting toe as to avert / simplify the need to adjust.

Odd how ONK (and most other sites / influencers) have gone dark on this.

STH2 it is then

[SnowMachine]

I am now throughly confused bc Sali came out w this binder bc it was to have a self adjusting toe as to avert / simplify the need to adjust.

Odd how ONK (and most other sites / influencers) have gone dark on this.

STH2 it is then

They did away with the wing adjustment, so there's that.

Binding tech is pretty lame. I'm not sure if I love or hate Look for unapologetically making the same binding for the last 30 years. The protector and Knee bindings are, at least, trying to innovate.

[Bandit Man]

Double post

[Stikki]

The folks at pugski/skitalk post some handy binding charts every year.

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31208/

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2022...indings.24336/

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31211/

2022
STH13 19/24.5
STH16 21/24.5

2024
Strive 14 21/24.5
Strive 16 21/24.5
STH2 16 21/24.5

I haven't been on Strives yet but I'm guessing the biggest on snow difference in feel will be the weight. The STH13/Strive 14 difference is 480 grams, that's 0.5 pounds on each foot.

And where is Blister with the big binding shootout they were supposedly having last spring?

[gregL]

For science:

P15: 17/19mm
STH2 13: 17/25mm
Strive 16: 20/25mm

So, conclusively, there is less delta on the Strive than the STH2.

I’d love to ski the same skis back to back with these bindings. I’d bet that I can feel the difference between the STH2 and the Pivot. Outside that, I’m sure they feel different in terms of dampening, too.

Edit: those are my measurements just now with calipers in the garage AND edited my mistake.

I get 20/25 for STH2 16 WTR, don't have a Strive at home to measure but they seem to feel the same underfoot.

[tupp_]

The folks at pugski/skitalk post some handy binding charts every year.

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31211/

This puts the Pivot 18 at 16.5/19. Not sure which AFD that is for.

So 2.5mm for Pivots, 3.5mm for strives and STHs.

My goal this season is to get all my bindings to similar delta.

[Bandit Man]

Also, is it just me, or does the Strive 11, 14, and 16 ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STYLE OF BRAKES?!?

[gregL]

The folks at pugski/skitalk post some handy binding charts every year.

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31208/

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2022...indings.24336/

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31211/

2022
STH13 19/24.5
STH16 21/24.5

2024
Strive 14 21/24.5
Strive 16 21/24.5
STH2 16 21/24.5

Just because it's on the Internet doesn't make it true - walking around with a ruler in my basement and at the shop, I get 17/25 for the STH2 13 WTR, 20/25 for the Warden 13 MNC, 20/25 for the STH2 16 WTR, 20/25 for the Strive 16, and 17/19 for the Pivot 15 (actually a hair under 17 at the AFD, but closer to 17 than 16.5). Salomon rep confirmed last night that this may be the last year for the STH2, I suggested again they go out in a blaze of glory by making an STH2 Steel with an 18 DIN . . .

[iriponsnow]

I just bought up NOS STH216s & 13s - dammit, I didn’t want to be that guy, yet here we are.

[gregL]

I just bought up NOS STH216s & 13s - dammit, I didn’t want to be that guy, yet here we are.

Me too, two pairs of each NIB . . .

[gregL]

This is confusing - I always referenced this site (below) which lists the pivots at a 5mm delta!

https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...g-delta-angles

I have a lot of respect for Jon, but the chart is wrong. This is a case of people relying on online information or data they got second or third hand without actually looking at the bindings with a boot in them, I'm guilty myself.

[gregL]

. . . and why can't Look make a PX15/18 for flat skis that doesn't need an R22 plate?

[turnfarmer]

Just because it's on the Internet doesn't make it true - walking around with a ruler in my basement and at the shop, I get 17/25 for the STH2 13 WTR, 20/25 for the Warden 13 MNC, 20/25 for the STH2 16 WTR, 20/25 for the Strive 16, and 17/19 for the Pivot 15 (actually a hair under 17 at the AFD, but closer to 17 than 16.5). Salomon rep confirmed last night that this may be the last year for the STH2, I suggested again they go out in a blaze of glory by making an STH2 Steel with an 18 DIN . . .

Totally agree on this. Only way to be sure is to measure. Especially now with gripwalk. Look says the Spx 12 is 3 mm heel high. Well maybe it was before Gripwalk. I like 0 delta. So I mounted a 3 mm shim on pair of these and couldn’t really ski. Measured and they were only 1mm heel high. I envy those that can ignore delta, afeel for those like me who it messes with so much.