I’d have to measure stack height. It can’t be that much lower and it can only be the toe (at least on the 16) since it has a STH heel. The toe height is still adjustable (at least on the 16). Wings are not adjustable. They have a sliding AFD (love it or hate it)
I’ll be honest…. They ski like a STH.![]()
Rereading the info widely available on the webz: not stack height (same as sth2) just lower COM.
And obviously it goes without saying that all product companies work with varying degrees of planned obsolescence...of course they want to sell new widgets even if the old ones are fine. Most consumers aren’t paying this kind of attention they just want the new-new.
For science:
P15: 17/19mm
STH2 13: 17/25mm
Strive 16: 20/25mm
So, conclusively, there is less delta on the Strive than the STH2.
I’d love to ski the same skis back to back with these bindings. I’d bet that I can feel the difference between the STH2 and the Pivot. Outside that, I’m sure they feel different in terms of dampening, too.
Edit: those are my measurements just now with calipers in the garage AND edited my mistake.
Last edited by SnowMachine; 10-04-2023 at 07:57 AM.
I also just noticed that the Strive 14 doesn't have the adjustable height toe. Basically the 14 and the 16 are totally different bindings. Hmmm.
This is confusing - I always referenced this site (below) which lists the pivots at a 5mm delta!
https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...g-delta-angles
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I am now throughly confused bc Sali came out w this binder bc it was to have a self adjusting toe as to avert / simplify the need to adjust.
Odd how ONK (and most other sites / influencers) have gone dark on this.
STH2 it is then
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The folks at pugski/skitalk post some handy binding charts every year.
https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31208/
https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2022...indings.24336/
https://www.skitalk.com/threads/2024...indings.31211/
2022
STH13 19/24.5
STH16 21/24.5
2024
Strive 14 21/24.5
Strive 16 21/24.5
STH2 16 21/24.5
I haven't been on Strives yet but I'm guessing the biggest on snow difference in feel will be the weight. The STH13/Strive 14 difference is 480 grams, that's 0.5 pounds on each foot.
And where is Blister with the big binding shootout they were supposedly having last spring?
Also, is it just me, or does the Strive 11, 14, and 16 ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STYLE OF BRAKES?!?
In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...
Just because it's on the Internet doesn't make it true - walking around with a ruler in my basement and at the shop, I get 17/25 for the STH2 13 WTR, 20/25 for the Warden 13 MNC, 20/25 for the STH2 16 WTR, 20/25 for the Strive 16, and 17/19 for the Pivot 15 (actually a hair under 17 at the AFD, but closer to 17 than 16.5). Salomon rep confirmed last night that this may be the last year for the STH2, I suggested again they go out in a blaze of glory by making an STH2 Steel with an 18 DIN . . .
I just bought up NOS STH216s & 13s - dammit, I didn’t want to be that guy, yet here we are.
. . . and why can't Look make a PX15/18 for flat skis that doesn't need an R22 plate?
Totally agree on this. Only way to be sure is to measure. Especially now with gripwalk. Look says the Spx 12 is 3 mm heel high. Well maybe it was before Gripwalk. I like 0 delta. So I mounted a 3 mm shim on pair of these and couldn’t really ski. Measured and they were only 1mm heel high. I envy those that can ignore delta, afeel for those like me who it messes with so much.
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