Wtf is up with this Chinese air crash?

[Timberridge]

^This has puregravity (no pun intended) written all over it.

[abraham]

Worth noting this was not a 737 MAX.

Got to see the video auto playing without warning yesterday while looking at news. That was fun.

This is likely the only mag here who would really know, so if he’s not saying…that should kinda say it all.

There are a few others, but yeah.

Recall your HS physics… they were super awake and super terrified. Horrible.


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There was a near crash in the 70s-80s with a long (20k feet?) vertical dive. It was described as deeply traumatic by the passengers, being essentially pinned against the seat while flying at the ground.

[Benny Profane]

I'd say.

[refried]

But they fly. How is that possible?

I don't know exactly, but somehow a treadmill is involved.

[Cono Este]

Very bad landing.


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[MTT]

g forces only exist as a function of speed and directional changes. There's no significant g felt in a steady state dive (not saying this was necessarily that - most of the facts are not out yet)

Plus, the 20000ft number isn't really correct. Just flying level at what would be a normal cruising speed for that aircraft would be between 40000 and about 48000 feet per minute.

You would feel weightlessness

[TahoeJ]

No dice, Chicago. I'm giving the orders and we're coming in.

[muted reborn]

Recall your HS physics…

Nope, nothing.

[From_the_NEK]

You would feel weightlessness

Depends on if the plane was under power and accelerating toward the ground faster than it would have been in free fall. In free fall everything falls toward the earth at roughly the same rate (making everyone feel weightless). If the pilot ramps up the engines into a powered dive, the g-force acceleration would be faster than the free fall speed pinning everyone back in their seats.

Or course if the plane lands on a treadmill, all known physics take a back seat to Holiday Inn guest speculation.

[mtnjam]

Maybe the tinfoil hatters will find the passengers in the same place as MH370

[XXX-er]

I was replying to mtt, but it was really just a snarky way of saying it's way too early for any of us to know.

well if one just yanks Benny's chain on virtualy any post there is a really high % it will apply and be correct

[bennymac]

No dice, Chicago. I'm giving the orders and we're coming in.

Flying Bangkok to Chicago back in the day. The entertainment options for passengers included listening to the pilots. As we cross over Wisconsin the tower radios to our plane that due to weather delays we’re gonna have to do circles for the next 1-2 hours. The pilot responds “negative - we are inbound from BKK we have 40 minutes of fuel left. We’re coming in.”

The reply was “you’re cleared for approach”

Made me chuckle even if the pilot forgot to say “no dice”

[MultiVerse]

Re whether a plane can fall from the sky without its pilots able to recognize what's happening until it's too late: Air France Flight 447 was unwittingly flown into the Atlantic ocean at an accelerating rate of 10,000 feet per minute after the planes pitot tubes — the airspeed sensors — became partially obstructed by ice:

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/...7-8a7678c37982

[bennymac]

Re whether a plane can fall from the sky without its pilots able to recognize what's happening until it's to late: Air France Flight 447 was unwittingly flown into the Atlantic ocean at an accelerating rate of 10,000 feet per minute after the planes pitot tubes — the airspeed sensors — became partially obstructed by ice:

https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/...7-8a7678c37982

very chilling article about that flight - the desperation and then the resignation in the cockpit…

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/busi...-447-crash/amp

[SumJongGuy]

Maybe the tinfoil hatters will find the passengers in the same place as MH370

Here's the first place my mind went..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

[XXX-er]

its really expensive right now, maybe they ran outa gas ?

[ötzi]

What's the g-forces when you drop 20,000 feet in one minute?

They were definitely pretty big at landing.

I wonder about the whole thing of course but also in particular about the brief sharp upwards jump at ~8K feet. Maybe a data anomaly? Something else? We may never know.

[Timberridge]

Like a stone.

No kidding. This thing went down faster than a bunch of doctors in a v-tail Bonanza.

If PG were still around, I'd ask if this could be the result of 5G?

[Benny Profane]

[billyk]

I wonder about the whole thing of course but also in particular about the brief sharp upwards jump at ~8K feet. Maybe a data anomaly? Something else? We may never know.

I vote for data anomaly. It doesn’t seem physically possible for that double reversal at 8k ft to be actually what happened. But the scale of the graph is perhaps hiding some details that could make it more plausible. Maybe the black box will answer the questions, provided it survived the impact.

[east or bust]

I vote for data anomaly. It doesn’t seem physically possible for that double reversal at 8k ft to be actually what happened. But the scale of the graph is perhaps hiding some details that could make it more plausible. Maybe the black box will answer the questions, provided it survived the impact.

The scale of the graph on the x axis shows the elapsed time is an hour and 6 minutes.

I’m going with data anomaly or aliens.

[This End Up]

It may not have been a 737 Max, but I’d bet China will find a creative way to blame Boeing.

[chaka]

clearly a false flag operation from CHIIINA made to look like it was from Azov battalion Nazis so China has justification to support Russia. Duh.
- Bunny

[bobz]

Or, there's this...

[MyNameIsAugustWest]

Isn't that the case in all flying now? Except the take off and landing part?

Look at the last sentence I wrote. That's the critical piece. US-trained pilots spend most of their simulator time dealing with emergencies. Not so much in other parts of the world.

asia is a big place, and the standards very greatly across it, the PRC having a generally good record especially compared to someplace like Indonesia

The article I was referring to was directly related to the Asiana crash at SFO so yeah, that was South Korean.

This is likely the only mag here who would really know, so if he’s not saying…that should kinda say it all.

There might be more than one...

The scale of the graph on the x axis shows the elapsed time is an hour and 6 minutes.

I’m going with data anomaly or aliens.

Aliens...I'm going with aliens.