Permanent Daylight Saving Time

[KQ]

You've got it backwards. It's standard time that is aligned to solar time, not DST.

Here's one to chew one: China only uses a single time zone. Can you imagine the ramifications of that? It's a pretty big country from east to west.

No I just used the wrong abbreviation.

I wrote "DST" and in my mind I thought "daylight standard time" so I changed it to ST.

I was trying to use the generic abbv but should have stuck to what I'm familiar with - PST & PDT.

Even though I'm retired from office work it still makes a difference to me because I need to work with businesses that open and close at certain times esp. the ones who observe the sabbath though I suppose that makes no diff. The sunset is what it is.

[oldnew_guy]

You know, this conversation might be more relevant if everyone posted their normal work hours with their opinion.

Office working hours: 7:30am--5ish pm
Jobsite working hours: 6:30am-~4:30pm (as early as 5:30am during summer if we're allowed to start early)

Preference: Just stop changing time around. During the winter I leave home in the dark and return home in the dark. It doesn't fucking matter.

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The behavioral health guy who figured out kids would perform better with a later start in high school certainly thinks it is going to matter on a population level.

[funkendrenchman]

The solution was and is switching between standard time and daylight time. Again, why is changing twice a year such a big deal? I really don't get it.

It's not. It's just something for people to complain about instead of focusing on real issues.

[ak_powder_monkey]

Personally I'd like the sun to come up at 2 and go down at 7 in the winter.

Anybody against this has clearly never lived in Alaska where with very few exceptions you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark 5 days a week if you have any kind of job. 4 months a year of literally not seeing the sun is really really shitty.

[old goat]

We can argue about this until the cows come home in the dark but there still will be a lot less daylight in the winter, no matter what you do to the clocks. I prefer to see the positive side of it--that low sun in December and January makes for much better skiing. But I've never been that big on spring skiing.

And let's face it, winter sucks, unless you're a skier or ice fisherperson. Or polar bear.

[BCMtnHound]

You know, this conversation might be more relevant if everyone posted their normal work hours with their opinion.

Office working hours: 7:30am--5ish pm
Jobsite working hours: 6:30am-~4:30pm (as early as 5:30am during summer if we're allowed to start early)

Preference: Just stop changing time around. During the winter I leave home in the dark and return home in the dark. It doesn't fucking matter.

Only ‘normal’ hours is at the office, 8-4:30. Field days we try and limit to 10hrs, mostly for fatigue reasons especially when travel time is a couple hrs both ways. Start time is dictated by distance, safety (I.e. avy conditions in spring freeze/thaw, or driving home in daylight), and objective (wildlife and hydrology assessments tend earlier days vs ecological or anthropogenic work).

[dunfree]

Isn’t shifting business, school, activity hours around just de facto DST but less organized?

If my boss changes my start time from 8am to 9am or 9 am to 8 am doesn’t that have the same detrimental effects on peoples schedule?

Many needs aren’t coordinated with the equinox. So they shift hours at different times, and the random shift from daylight to standard time and back.

[old goat]

According to this the negative health and safety effects of going to DST are worse the farther west in the the time zone you are. Which means we need to divide each time zone into 2, with a half hour difference between E and W, or maybe even into 4, with 15 minute differences between the subzones.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...der%20research.

[bennymac]

There are some time zones in the world that are 15min off (ahead or behind) their neighbors.

The Yukon Territory (next door to Alaska) switched to permanent DST in 2020. No more clock changes.

But everyone goes to school/work in the dark in the winter regardless given it’s latitude.

[KQ]

I've been giving this more thought as I clean stalls this morning (I seem to do my best thinking when I'm shoveling shit [emoji16] ) and have come to the conclusion that what I object to is the sudden change of turning clocks forward or back. When it happens naturally my mind/body/circadian rhythm adjust easily.

[Not DJSapp]

The behavioral health guy who figured out kids would perform better with a later start in high school certainly thinks it is going to matter on a population level.

This argument has never made any sense to me at all. Teenagers and college kids tend to stay up as late as they can get away with. You move school start time back, they'll sleep in more and stay up later. In college when I could set my own schedule, I tended to try and get classes as late as possible. And those days when I didn't have class until noon? I was still late to class because I was up until 4am fucking off and I fell asleep in class from time to time. In high school senior year I have a zero period class which meant I was up at 5:15 am to be at school by 5:50. I went to bed between 9 and 10 because I was tired, but I wanted to stay up later.

Your body's schedule is what you drive it to be. On average 16 hours awake, 8 hours asleep. The rest is just determination (or enforcement if you're a parent) and lies of this abstract called time.

[MakersTeleMark]

It could be argued that the clock is the most devastating invention of mankind. Since I retired I miss my work, I miss the people I worked with, I missed the people I cared for. What I don't miss is the clock, the schedule, having to do things at certain times multiple times during the day every day.

https://xkcd.com/2594/

[old goat]

https://xkcd.com/2594/

works for me
can we do the same thing with the calendar? I never know the date anyway, and the day maybe half the time.

[AK47bp]

works for me
can we do the same thing with the calendar? I never know the date anyway, and the day maybe half the time.

I’m down. Hate having to eat when I’m not hungry just because it’s “dinner time”.




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[concretejungle]

I’m down. Hate having to eat when I’m not hungry just because it’s “dinner time”.




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Are you not an adult?

[oldnew_guy]

This argument has never made any sense to me at all. Teenagers and college kids tend to stay up as late as they can get away with. You move school start time back, they'll sleep in more and stay up later. In college when I could set my own schedule, I tended to try and get classes as late as possible. And those days when I didn't have class until noon? I was still late to class because I was up until 4am fucking off and I fell asleep in class from time to time. In high school senior year I have a zero period class which meant I was up at 5:15 am to be at school by 5:50. I went to bed between 9 and 10 because I was tired, but I wanted to stay up later.

Your body's schedule is what you drive it to be. On average 16 hours awake, 8 hours asleep. The rest is just determination (or enforcement if you're a parent) and lies of this abstract called time.

So you disagree with the PHds who did the research and convinced school districts to restructure their start time because biology has something to do with it?

<shrug>

[Boosh]

Normal work hours 7:00/7:30am - 4:30/5pm.

I ride my bike to work so with permanent DST I'll have many more mornings of riding in the dark which sucks, but I guess fewer evenings of riding home in the dark as well.

I also agree it depends on which side of the time zone you live in too, I like the idea of having more time zones with 1/2 hour intervals.

[AK47bp]

Are you not an adult?

Eh?




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[The AD]

Are you not an adult?

Reminds of Jerry Seinfeld's quip about "spoiling your appetite." He says that, as an adult, he knows there's another appetite coming right behind that one, so he's never worried about spoiling one.

[AK47bp]

Reminds of Jerry Seinfeld's quip about "spoiling your appetite." He says that, as an adult, he knows there's another appetite coming right behind that one, so he's never worried about spoiling one.

Harder when you have a family with a wife that makes dinner every night at a certain time. (Not complaining)

Otherwise, I’d eat a giant bowl of cereal at 9pm and be good.


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[bobz]

Oh great, now the cows are going to be confused year-round.

[Not DJSapp]

I also agree it depends on which side of the time zone you live in too, I like the idea of having more time zones with 1/2 hour intervals.

Ugh. Haven't any of you had the nightmare of trying to coordinate a zoom call across 3 time zones? Now you want to make that 6?

[Tele 'til You're Smelly]

DST time changes are like capitalism- worst system except all the others.

But with how most clocks change automatically now, I wonder if we could do it incrementally, a minute each day for two months around when we do the changes now- that would be sort of cool (it seems that most people who object mostly complain about the abrupt change twice a year rather than objecting to having more a.m. light in winter and more p.m light in summer)

[The AD]

But with how most clocks change automatically now, I wonder if we could do it incrementally, a minute each day for two months

Serenity now! Serenity now!

[hutash]

I have never had a problem with standard time, and never really though DAT was all that big a benefit, so I am down for one time all year round and would prefer ST, but could easily adapt to DST if it went that way. Changing twice yearly is just stupid and a PITA.