Ukraine

[MultiVerse]

Maybe true, but seems more likely to be along the same lines as "The Ghost of Kyiv"

I believe that press release is intended to demoralize the RUS and stoke the Ukrainians morale. True or not, I assume it's working.

Ghost of Kyiv is a unit name that was amalgamated into a person during the early days of the war. The Ukrainian special forces also have a unit calling themselves Tiger Woods because their strikes are deep and accurate. Spoiler: Tiger Woods doesn't actually fight for Ukraine.

And FWIW, not a press release, it was a speech of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba at the conference of French ambassadors. He might have gotten some details wrong or details lost in translation but unlikely for an ambassador to make up a story at a formal event.

[oldnew_guy]

Ghost of Kyiv is a unit name that was amalgamated into a person during the early days of the war. The Ukrainian special forces also have a unit calling themselves Tiger Woods because their strikes are deep and accurate. Spoiler: Tiger Woods doesn't actually fight for Ukraine.

That name was/is part of UKR's information warfare campaign. I can't find any information about that unit name existing prior to the news reports, but maybe you can fill the gap.

Let me quote the Ukrainian Air Force command:

"Ghost of Kyiv is a superhero-legend whose character was created by Ukrainians!".



"We ask the Ukrainian community not to neglect the basic rules of information hygiene . . .check the sources of information, before spreading it".

[powdrhound]

Bwahahaha:

Attachment 468820

Video: https://x.com/gerashchenko_en/status...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

Well, will now try to target the others.

Well done.



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[MultiVerse]

That name was/is part of UKR's information warfare campaign. I can't find any information about that unit name existing prior to the news reports, but maybe you can fill the gap.

Let me quote the Ukrainian Air Force command:

"Ghost of Kyiv is a superhero-legend whose character was created by Ukrainians!".

You're being too cute calling it information warfare. Per your own quote it was an informal internal name that became a meme created by Ukrainians. Your quote doesn't say the Ukrainian government created the meme. When that happened the Ukrainian Air Force explained the situation and asked people not to spread rumors:

"We ask the Ukrainian community not to neglect the basic rules of information hygiene . . .check the sources of information, before spreading it".

In spite of the explanation morons call it "information warfare" and inevitably every time the Ukrainian government says something about anything comment sections on social media say yeah but what about the "Ghost of Kyiv" warble warble warble. It's now a routine cliche.

[oldnew_guy]

You're being too cute calling it information warfare. Per your own quote it was an informal internal name that became a meme created by Ukrainians. Your quote doesn't say the Ukrainian government created the meme. When that happened the Ukrainian Air Force explained the situation. In spite of the explanation morons call it "information warfare" and inevitably every time the Ukrainian government says something about anything comment sections on social media say yeah but what about the "Ghost of Kyiv" warble warble warble. It's now a routine cliche.

LOL. Yeah, it wasn't a small part of their information warfare campaign (a term used by such disreputable sources as Foreign Policy and the NY Times). The didn't even promote the idea on their official Twitter or anything.

I don't know what the big deal is, UKR's information war is well documented and is an important part of their overall war strategy.

[MultiVerse]

It's not a big deal except when fools call everything information warfare. And your quote made the exact opposite point as your claim. Calling everything information warfare is kind of your shtick.

[oldnew_guy]

It's not a big deal except when fools call everything information warfare. And your quote made the exact opposite point as your claim.

The point that even the UKR made perhaps unwittingly is to "check the sources of information, before spreading it". Even when it comes from them.

[MultiVerse]

No, the point about an informal internal story meant to raise morale and not "information warfare " meant for an international audience. It's your framing that's the problem. You also repeatedly claimed in this thread foreign governments were trying to gin up support for Ukraine even though the exact opposite was true. In the early days of the war there were spontaneous mass protests calling on reluctant Western governments to support Ukraine.

[oldnew_guy]

No, the point about an informal internal story meant to raise morale and not "information warfare " meant for an international audience.

You should probably write the NY Times a letter regarding their news piece if this is how you feel about their reporting.

[MultiVerse]

Did the NY Times childishly write about ambassador Dmytro Kuleba's speech at a French conference and compare his comments with the Ghost of Kyiv social media meme?

[Bunion 2020]

83 years ago today WWII began. Mainly because when they had the chance to stop Hitler while he was weak many politicians chose to do little or nothing.

[oldnew_guy]

Did the NY Times childishly write about ambassador Dmytro Kuleba's speech at a French conference and compare his comments with the Ghost of Kyiv social media meme?

I'll take your deflection as that you aren't concerned about the words they used to describe the Ghost of Kyiv saga despite being up in arms two posts earlier.

At any rate, time will tell if the story about the 31 is true or not. Maybe once the UKR pushes the RUS back where they belong.

[riser4]

My FIL would never concede that WW2 began on Sept 1. To him, it began two days later on Sept 3 when Great Britain (and France) declared war. He was Manx and therefore a British Subject. He was a teenager during the war, living with German bombing.

[oldnew_guy]

83 years ago today WWII began. Mainly because when they had the chance to stop Hitler while he was weak many politicians chose to do little or nothing.

More people should have listened to McCain, perhaps. One wonders where we would be right now if he hadn't paired up with Palin.

[MultiVerse]

I'll take your deflection as that you aren't concerned about the words they used to describe the Ghost of Kyiv saga despite being up in arms two posts earlier.

At any rate, time will tell if the story about the 31 is true or not. Maybe once the UKR pushes the RUS back where they belong.

Up in arms? Deflection? The issue isn't with the media it's with doofuses parroting "Ghost of Kyiv" all the time. Leroy, Benny, et al, all did the same thing. Can't you guys come up with a better example than a feel good meme made at a time when Ukrainians were living underground due to Russian bombing? The question is why do you 'guys' attach so much importance to an almost two year old story? Why do you think people constantly bring it up? You know memes aren't real, right?

[riser4]

More people should have listened to McCain, perhaps. One wonders where we would be right now if he hadn't paired up with Palin.

Mr Bomb Bomb Iran? Ya, no. Not that I am inclined to ever vote Republican, however, I'm probably not the only one was not amused by both that goofy line AND Palin.

[oldnew_guy]

Up in arms? Deflection? The issue isn't with the media it's with doofuses parroting "Ghost of Kyiv" all the time. Leroy, Benny, et al all did the same thing. Can't you guys come up with better example than a feel good meme made at a time Ukrainians were living underground due to Russian bombing?

Maybe a current day feel good meme about a single unit exceeding the capacity of a battalion at a time when UKR's counteroffensive is grinding along?

Like I said, maybe true, maybe not.

[oldnew_guy]

Right, so you don't think the story is true. There’s a lot of accepted nonsense and disinformation coming from Westerners casting doubts too.

Never said that.

Never said their use of Ghost of Kyiv was wrong.

Never said UKR's information war was wrong.

(Whats wrong of course is RUS's war of aggression and subsequent human rights violations that they wont' stop)

Christ.

Edit - I'll just add. The UKR is fucking good at PR and their info war. That's what makes it interesting to observe for me. Makes you have to think very carefully and critically about everything they release, post on social media etc.

[MultiVerse]

Right, so you don't think the story is true. There’s a lot of accepted nonsense and disinformation coming from Westerners too. By the way, here's a recent story about the 40th tactical aviation brigade known collectively as the "Ghost of Kyiv":

Capt Andrii Pilshchykov, who flew under the call-sign "Juice", and two other pilots died when two L-39 training planes collided in northern Ukraine.

Pilshchykov, 30, won fame for dogfights over Kyiv during the early phase of Russia's full-scale invasion.

He served in the 40th tactical aviation brigade.

The brigade's members came to be known collectively as the "Ghost of Kyiv".

Capt Andrii Pilshchykov or "Juice" made an appearance early in this thread in an article describing how the Ukrainian Air Force managed to stay in the fight despite overwhelming Russian numerical and technological superiority:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...78#post6582878

Ghost of Kyiv isn't a real person but the units accomplishments are. You should read the article in the TGR link above before disparaging acts of heroism.

[oldnew_guy]

Right, so you don't think the story is true.

Tedious. See my edit. Have a good weekend Multi.

[MultiVerse]

I read your edit and you're still missing the point. Read the article and tell us the story is "made up":

https://coffeeordie.com/ukrainian-mi...ilot-interview

[The Reverend Floater]

Mr Bomb Bomb Iran? Ya, no. Not that I am inclined to ever vote Republican, however, I'm probably not the only one was not amused by both that goofy line AND Palin.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Palin is a whore, a sack of trash and 80% of the reason McCain wasn't competitive in that election. But McCain did some good stuff too, like bipartisan outreach and leadership, championing term limits and campaign finance reform. You might not like Republicans but McCain was undoubtedly a patriot and a man of principal --just not your principals. But he was absolutely NOT anything like today's braindead, seditious breed and was well respected across the aisle. I'd kill for more John McCains in this day and age. And no, I didn't vote for him but I did respect the man.

Carry on.

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[oldnew_guy]

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Palin is a whore, a sack of trash and 80% of the reason McCain wasn't competitive in that election. But McCain did some good stuff too, like bipartisan outreach and leadership, championing term limits and campaign finance reform. You might not like Republicans but McCain was undoubtedly a patriot and a man of principal --just not your principals. But he was absolutely NOT anything like today's braindead, seditious breed and was well respected across the aisle. I'd kill for more John McCains in this day and age. And no, I didn't vote for him but I did respect the man.

Carry on.

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Bingo.

[dunfree]

McCain was the only Republican member of the Keating Five, sure he had some principle$. Guess people forget or don’t care. He had some very clear vision on certain issues, and some substantial failures elsewhere

[SumJongGuy]

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Palin is a whore, a sack of trash and 80% of the reason McCain wasn't competitive in that election. But McCain did some good stuff too, like bipartisan outreach and leadership, championing term limits and campaign finance reform. You might not like Republicans but McCain was undoubtedly a patriot and a man of principal --just not your principals. But he was absolutely NOT anything like today's braindead, seditious breed and was well respected across the aisle. I'd kill for more John McCains in this day and age. And no, I didn't vote for him but I did respect the man.

Carry on.

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Bingo.

This.