Ukraine

[jono]

Amazing how it's always the same people falling for this sort of thing: Ukrainian intelligence, 'Invasion from Belarus' part of Russia’s psy-ops.

Andriy Yusov, a representative of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said there was currently “no threat from Belarus of a full-scale ground operation, its participation on the side of Russia.”


Russia's most advanced anti tank system is called "The Olaf Scholz" -- Darth Putin

While the beaver story is very likely rooted in reality, the telling of it seems like something between a next level troll and a psy-op, too. Clearly Russia hopes to use the threat of Northern invasion to fix some Ukrainian forces and keep them from action elsewhere. Responding with "Meh. Beavers got this" is maybe the most Ukrainian thing yet.

[MultiVerse]

The beaver story more or less indicates the terrain hazards for vehicles. Think dense wet Minnesota/Canadian forests. Apart from roads which serve as kill zones for artillery, it's very difficult to move through. The movie 'Vesper' (recommended) filmed in Lithuania gives an indication of what it looks like:

[riser4]

I was referring to making tanks the top priority, since there's only one top priority at any given time.

But that may only be true of the public campaign. Hopefully. Probably better to keep quiet about longer range rockets anyway, but I do hope we're sending stuff with more reach than tanks. We've got a few old A-10's, too, if we're talking about scrap.

A-10s. Oh yes, sign me up. Forecast calls for Fuckloads of brrrrrrrrt, with more brrrrrrrrt. Unfortunately, Russians still got [mobile] air defense, da?

[californiagrown]

the American people are complacent, angry at each other in stupid performative culture war ways that distract from almost ever holding anyone on either side accountable for anything except sexual things, but that will all come crashing down if they are basically outright treasonous. I think Americans are like this right now for many reasons but one is just that we're spoiled and we don't think something like that is possible.

was this sarcasm, or have you forgotten the events of little more than 2 years ago?

[jono]

A-10s. Oh yes, sign me up. Forecast calls for Fuckloads of brrrrrrrrt, with more brrrrrrrrt. Unfortunately, Russians still got [mobile] air defense, da?

Maybe A-10's just need more HARMS and HARMS-related accessories? Netherlands supplying F-16's sounds kinda hopeful.

My first instinct is that I'd rather see Russians starved into surrender by reaching supply lines behind them. But I know nothing. Maybe Russia moved every target back or maybe Ukraine decided better a Bachmut than a Bucha.

[gravitylover]

I said we need to send a bunch of our old A10s at the beginning of this whole thing. BRRRP BRRRP eliminate whole armored columns and tear up some trenches. Zzzzapp

[Cocximus]

We can send some Canadian beavers. Very effective.

[subtle plague]

We can send some Canadian beavers. Very effective.

Two are better than one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5itDVkiIkA

[Core Shot]

Tank talk motherfucker

Tanks? Really?

There’s so much more lethal shit short of nukes.
And y’all are demanding tanks?

How’s about a truce. Cease fire. Draw new lines. Let Putin have Donbas. Let Ukraine survive. Let our children and grandchildren stop sending billions to this stupid war.

[jono]

How’s about a truce. Cease fire. Draw new lines. Let Putin have Donbas. Let Ukraine survive. Reward Putin for invading. Let our children and grandchildren start sending billions to the next stupid war.

FIFY

[Core Shot]

FIFY

Reward Putin. Yeah. That’s what I typed.

Oh well. Let’s keep fighting and dying and spending.

[twat]

If your enemy doesnt want peace, you cant have peace!

[Bunion 2020]

Oh well. Let’s keep fighting and dying and spending.

And which are you doing?

[cat in january]

Seems Russia is building up for a major offensive with lessons learned from prior failures. The goal being to make major advances and then sue for peace with Russia being able to claim victory.

First sentence is from reading NYT and second my guess at Russia’s desired outcome

[MultiVerse]

Reward Putin. Yeah. That’s what I typed.

Oh well. Let’s keep fighting and dying and spending.

Putin only engages in perpetual conflict. In the past couple of decades Russian leaders continuously freeze conflicts, after forcing concessions, before continuing their war again later. They've done this either directly or through mercenaries against:

• Chechnya
• Moldova
• Georgia
• Armenia & Azerbaijan
• Countries in Africa
• Syria
• Ukraine

The only way to break the Russian cycle of war & genocide is to arm Ukraine. If you want peace, Ukraine needs to be armed like a de facto or official NATO member to deter Russia from more aggression in the future.

[leroy jenkins]

was this sarcasm, or have you forgotten the events of little more than 2 years ago?

What events were those? Do you mean the january 6th bullshit?

Does not disprove my point at all. I even described it. Angry at a each in some sort of performative culture war bullshit that doesn't actually hold anyone accountable.

No? Any reason you want to be vague instead of actually articulating your point?

[Core Shot]

We could take out Putin any day.

No need for a nuke.
Tactical drone or missile strike or even a sniper.

And yet. We put ordinary Russians and Ukrainians through a meat grinder like it’s World War One. Yay.
We’re winning. Something.

[Bunion 2020]

We could take out Putin any day.

No need for a nuke.
Tactical drone or missile strike or even a sniper.

And yet. We put ordinary Russians and Ukrainians through a meat grinder like it’s World War One. Yay.
We’re winning. Something.

If "WE" take out Putin then "WE" will have committed a direct act of war. You want to go down that road?

[leroy jenkins]

I said we need to send a bunch of our old A10s at the beginning of this whole thing. BRRRP BRRRP eliminate whole armored columns and tear up some trenches. Zzzzapp

a10s really aren't meant to operate against modern air defenses. They're great for the war on terror and they're really capable as bomb or missle trucks, being able to carry as much ordinance as a b52 in some loadouts, albeit with much shorter range, although also with the ability to operate out of all sorts of not so nice runways.

They would be very effective in an all out war directly against russia or china where f35s could operate within the area of air defenses but use their sensor fusion capabilities to guide munitions from a10s operating from dispersed small ad hoc airfields outside the air defense envelope of the enemy. This combo makes up for the lack of capacity for stealth aircraft to carry much ordinance.

Theres been a lot of research that shows the brrrrrt isn't that effective against modern armor. bmps sure. Tanks less so. Actually hitting tanks with that cannon is not super easy, either with actual hit rates being abysmally low with highly trained pilots.

Besides we aren't making any more and we need them.

Plus, the ukrainians wouldn't be able to maintain them. This is why we were fine giving jets to iran because they're all trash now basically.

[mcski]

Franz Ferdinand has entered the chat

[leroy jenkins]

We could take out Putin any day.

No need for a nuke.
Tactical drone or missile strike or even a sniper.

And yet. We put ordinary Russians and Ukrainians through a meat grinder like it’s World War One. Yay.
We’re winning. Something.

What then? Victory toasts all around, then what?

Reminds me of George W's mission accomplished speech on the carrier. What came next?


Putin might already be dead or dying anyways, but what comes next after that? A failed state with tons of nukes?

Actual support of putin among russians so super low, both from what I know from news outlets and from talking to russians on reddit who say bascially no one is pro putin except for a few old babushkas. Even so these russians are scared to see what happens when putin dies. None of them have a prediction of any sort, just uncertainty. If anyone is going to take out putin its gotta be the russians though.

[Core Shot]

The CIA could take out Putin and pin it on Oswald.
It worked once already. Try it again.

[leroy jenkins]

OK so what then?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Leopard = diesel = established field logistics
M1 = gas turbine = 0.3mpg

Keep in mind some UKR T-80s have "gas" turbines but they run on almost any fuel including diesel. The M1` turbine is also capable of using almost any fuel.

Germany talks out of both sides of their mouth... all DefMin Pistorius:
"US must first send tanks if Germany is expected to."
"US doesn't have to send tanks now, just someday."
"Germany won't send tanks but others can."

Fwiw, in the first Gulf War we ran the same fuel in most vehicles and aircraft, including the Abrams. The only vehicles using gasoline were motor cycles and some GM utility pickups.


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[Bunion 2020]

If we can provide M1s to Egypt & SA and they can manage it I am pretty sure the Ukrainians can manage it as well.