Conspiracy Theories - Ranked

[J. Barron DeJong]

FWIW, my wife was looking after a kid whose dad was at the Pentagon that day. He didn’t say anything about a missile.

[AK47bp]

Whatevs. Flight 93 I have no eye deer.

Pentagon is fishy. Experienced pilots failed to make that descending turn in a simulator. But Cessna Arabs pulled it off. And it punched a clean hole through several concrete walls, all the way to the courtyard. And the wings should have sheared off, given the small round hole. And as I said above, there should be several videos of the plane. Not to mention, if it was a plane it should have been detected and shot down.
Whose missile? I don’t know. But that weren’t no plane.

The webs has plenty of rabbit holes. There’s lots of info. And the official story is bullshit.

Jesus man.

Paint chips? Leaded fuel? Lead pipes?

It’s okay.

[dunfree]

FWIW, my wife was looking after a kid whose dad was at the Pentagon that day. He didn’t say anything about a missile.

multiple people here viewed the aftermath, I knew someone who was on the highway wondering why that jet was so low. It was a plane, and dumbfuck coreshot has a bigger hole in his head. He’s the freak on the corner with the apocalypse is tomorrow sign

[Core Shot]

Jesus man.

Paint chips? Leaded fuel? Lead pipes?

It’s okay.

Lead. Pb is my superpower
Breakfast lunch and dinner. Then I lay lead pipe in my wife

multiple people here viewed the aftermath, I knew someone who was on the highway wondering why that jet was so low. It was a plane, and dumbfuck coreshot has a bigger hole in his head. He’s the freak on the corner with the apocalypse is tomorrow sign

Show me a video. There’s plenty of security cams there. Right? All we get is grainy footage from a gas station. Right? Yeah.

PS. Could have been a plane I suppose. But not piloted by a Cessna pilot. And where are the wings? And why no good video? And how did it go through multiple concrete walls?

PPS

[dunfree]

Lead. Pb is my superpower
Breakfast lunch and dinner. Then I lay lead pipe in my wife




Show me a video. There’s plenty of security cams there. Right? All we get is grainy footage from a gas station. Right? Yeah.

PS. Could have been a plane I suppose. But not piloted by a Cessna pilot. And where are the wings? And why no good video? And how did it go through multiple concrete walls?

fuck you,

[Core Shot]

fuck you,

Bless your heart

[Ted Striker]

Uhmm... there were multiple eyewitnesses (including Tippster IIRC)

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Lead. Pb is my superpower
Breakfast lunch and dinner. Then I lay lead pipe in my wife




Show me a video. There’s plenty of security cams there. Right? All we get is grainy footage from a gas station. Right? Yeah.

PS. Could have been a plane I suppose. But not piloted by a Cessna pilot. And where are the wings? And why no good video? And how did it go through multiple concrete walls?

PPS

Uh, the plane tore a hole in the building from the ground to the roof. The tail section penetrated to the courtyard making a large hole. Hear me out, I’m going to venture a guess a say the wings sheared off after impact. The plane was flying at 460 knots, I think that would be enough momentum to penetrate the concrete walls of a building completed in 1943.

Where are all the passengers and crew if flight 77 didn’t crash into the Pentagon?

An F4 Phantom is a little smaller than a 757. The walls of a nuclear reactor are a little more robust than a office building

You’re either trolling or the dumbest person posting on TGR.


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[MultiVerse]

What's crazy is Core Shot's 'PPS' video shows what happened. The Pentagon's facade obviously not as thick or massive per volume means the plane disintegrated like any projectile at that speed. Upon impact it flooded the building with molten metal like an armor piercing shell. Not that it matters to conspiracy folks, but there are pictures of plane debris along with real time first hand accounts from people on the ground.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

What's crazy is Core Shot's 'PPS' video shows what happened. The Pentagon's facade obviously not as thick or massive per volume means the plane disintegrated like any projectile at that speed upon impact flooded the building with molten metal like an armor piecing shell.

Kind of like you would expect a 757 running into the pentagon at 460 kts?


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[MultiVerse]

Yes, it certainly wouldn't look like a cartoon hole shaped like a plane. Any neat holes would be caused by parts of the plane with more concentrated mass not the overall relatively lightweight by volume fuselage or wings.

[Core Shot]

Yeah. It’s weird. Mandala effect and shit. I member a tight hole in the front. And debris on the back. And yet the googles only shows the after affect photos of the entire upper stories collapsed. But I clearly remember a single round but punch hole.
Oh well.
Carry on.

Was Jesus an alien? Moses too? Definitely king tut. Died at 17 if I recall. What a king. Was Goliath really a giant? How tall? Was it a fair fight if David had a slingshot and Goliath had no weapons?

In search of . . .

[Ted Striker]

Experienced pilots failed to make that descending turn in a simulator.

I flew the 757 for a living, and calling bullshit on this one.

[bennymac]

Yeah google is in on it man.

Your “there had to be cameras everywhere!” is a fallacy - no…there didn’t HAVE to be cameras everywhere.

You can argue there should have been cameras everywhere perhaps - but this idea that “this is the Pentagon! therefore in 2001 every corner had to have complete video surveillance” sounds hard hitting if you don’t actually think about it.

You nutbags focus on that weak bullshit while simultaneously hand waving away the question of “well where did the plane go?”

Answer - “oh I don’t know - we don’t dwell on that. Listen - there doesn’t HAVE to be an answer to that question. But there HAD to have been cameras everywhere! Pointed at the sky looking for planes! No doubt in my mind - it was a missile!”

[Core Shot]

I flew the 757 for a living, and calling bullshit on this one.

Fair enough. I’m no pilot. But the pentagon hit is insane.
Yeah. You can google search this to find out where I copy pasta it.
But I’ve seen it too many times. The pentagon story is fucked.

You fly 757. Can a Cessna hack jump in that cockpit?


Now let’s take a look at American Airlines Flight 77. Passenger/hijacker Hani Hanjour presumably rises from his seat midway through the flight, viciously fights his way into the cockpit The weather reports say it was fairly clear, so let’s say Hanjour experienced a perfect CAVU day (Ceiling And Visibility Unlimited). If Hanjour looked straight ahead through the windshield, or off to his left at the ground, at best he would see, 35,000 feet — 7 miles — below him, a murky brownish-grey-green landscape, virtually devoid of any significant surface detail, while the aircraft he was now piloting was moving along, almost imperceptibly and in eerie silence, at around 500 MPH (about 750 feet every second).

In a real-world scenario, with this kind of “situational NON-awareness”, Hanjour might as well have been flying over Argentina, Russia, or Japan—he wouldn’t have had a clue as to where, precisely, he was.

After a few seconds (at 750 ft/sec), Hanjour would figure out there’s little point in looking outside—there’s nothing there to give him any real visual cues. For a man who had previously wrestled with little Cessnas, following freeways and railroad tracks (and always in the comforting presence of an instructor), this would have been a strange, eerily unsettling environment indeed.

Seeing nothing outside, Mr. Hanjour would be forced to divert his attention to his instrument panel, where he’d be faced with a bewildering array of instruments—nothing like he had seen in a Cessna 172. He would then have to very quickly interpret his heading, ground track, altitude, and airspeed information on the displays before he could even figure out where in the world he was, much less where the Pentagon was located in relation to his position.

After all, before he can crash into a target, he has to first find the target.

It is very difficult to explain this scenario, of an utter lack of ground reference, to non-pilots; but let it suffice to say that for these incompetent hijacker non-pilots to even consider grappling with such a daunting task would have been utterly overwhelming. They wouldn’t have known where to begin.

But, for the sake of discussion let’s stretch things beyond all plausibility and say that Hanjour—whose flight instructor claimed “couldn’t fly at all”—somehow managed to figure out their exact position on the American landscape in relation to their intended target as they traversed the earth at a speed five times faster than they had ever flown by themselves before.

Once he had determined exactly where he was, he would need to figure out where the Pentagon was located in relation to his rapidly-changing position. He would then need to plot a course to his target (one he cannot see with his eyes—remember, our ace is flying solely on instruments).

In order to perform this bit of electronic navigation, he would have to be very familiar with IFR procedures. None of these fellows even knew what a navigational chart looked like, much less how to how to plug information into flight management computers (FMC) and engage LNAV (lateral navigation automated mode). If one is to believe the official story, all of this was supposedly accomplished by raw student pilots while flying blind at 500 MPH over unfamiliar (and practically invisible) terrain, using complex methodologies and employing sophisticated instruments.

To get around this little problem, the official storyline suggests these men manually flew their aircraft to their respective targets (NB: This still wouldn’t relieve them of the burden of navigation). But let’s assume Hanjour disengaged the autopilot and auto-throttle and hand-flew the aircraft to its intended—and invisible—target on instruments alone until such time as he could get a visual fix. This would have necessitated him to fly back across West Virginia and Virginia to Washington DC. (This portion of Flight 77’s flight path cannot be corroborated by any radar evidence that exists, because the aircraft is said to have suddenly disappeared from radar screens over Ohio.)

According to FAA radar controllers, “Flight 77” then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which “Hanjour” allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn’t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).

The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O’Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, “The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.” (http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...p?storyid=4084)

And then, all of a sudden we have magic. Voila! Hanjour finds the Pentagon sitting squarely in his sights right before him.

But even that wasn’t good enough for this fanatic Muslim kamikaze pilot. You see, he found that his “missile” was heading towards one of the most densely populated wings of the Pentagon—and one occupied by top military brass, including the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld. Presumably in order to save these men’s lives, he then executes a sweeping 270-degree turn and approaches the building from the opposite direction and aligns himself with the only wing of the Pentagon that was virtually uninhabited due to extensive renovations that were underway (there were some 120 civilians construction workers in that wing who were killed; their work included blast-proofing the outside wall of that wing).

I shan’t get into the aerodynamic impossibility of flying a large commercial jetliner 20 feet above the ground at over 400 MPH. A discussion on ground effect energy, vortex compression, downwash reaction, wake turbulence, and jetblast effects are beyond the scope of this article. Indeed, the 100,000-lb jetblast alone would have blown entire semi-trucks off the roads this massive aircraft is alleged to have flown over at extremely low altitude. The DVD, “Loose Change – 1st Edition” (http://www.loosechange911.com) contains an excellent clip of trucks being swept off the end of a runway when a jetliner powers up for take-off.

Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon’s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be about fifteen feet above the ground. Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot.

At any rate, why is such ultra-low-level flight aerodynamically impossible? Because the reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half the distance of its wingspan—until speed is drastically reduced, which, of course, is what happens during normal landings.

In other words, if this were a Boeing 757 as reported, the plane could not have been flown below about 60 feet above ground at 400 MPH. (Such a maneuver is entirely within the performance envelope of aircraft with high wing-loadings, such as ground-attack fighters, the B1-B bomber, and Cruise missiles—and the Global Hawk.)

The very same challenges mentioned above would have faced the pilots who flew the two 767s into the Twin Towers, in that they, too, would have had to have first found their targets. Again, these chaps, too, miraculously found themselves spot on course. And again, their “final approach” maneuvers at over 500 MPH are simply far too incredible to have been executed by pilots who could not solo basic training aircraft.

The author recently received a letter from a senior 757 captain currently flying with one of the airlines involved in 9/11. It contains the following statement:

“Regarding your comments on flight simulators, several of my colleagues and I have tried to simulate the ‘hijacker’s’ final approach maneuvers into the towers on our company 767 simulator. We tried repeated tight, steeply banked 180 turns at 500 mph followed by a fast rollout and lineup with a tall building. More than two-thirds of those who attempted the maneuver failed to make a ‘hit’. How these rookies who couldn’t fly a trainer pulled this off is beyond comprehension.”

[dunfree]

Uhmm... there were multiple eyewitnesses (including Tippster IIRC)

iirc he did camera work shortly afterwards for a some time. The morning went to shit real quick in DC, I knew people who were forced out of the EOB by armed guards, APCs blocked the entrance to at least one base, the next morning I got woken up by a fighter flying loud and low up the Potomac

and again, fuck you core shot

[bennymac]

According to FAA radar controllers, “Flight 77” then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which “Hanjour” allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver

If you’re wrong about this what else are you wrong about? The transponder was turned off right after the plane was hijacked.

“At 8:54, the aircraft deviated from its assigned course, turning south. Two minutes later the transponder was turned off and even primary radar contact with the aircraft was lost. The Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center repeatedly tried and failed to contact the aircraft. American Airlines dispatchers also tried, without success.“

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/...Report_Ch1.htm

[dunfree]

If you’re wrong about this what else are you wrong about? The transponder was turned off right after the plane was hijacked.

“At 8:54, the aircraft deviated from its assigned course, turning south. Two minutes later the transponder was turned off and even primary radar contact with the aircraft was lost. The Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center repeatedly tried and failed to contact the aircraft. American Airlines dispatchers also tried, without success.“

https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/...Report_Ch1.htm

it flew over/by a couple gridlocked highways to hit the pentagon. There are thousands of people who saw the plane. Cum shot is a moronic piece of shit.

[Soups]

it flew over/by a couple gridlocked highways to hit the pentagon. There are thousands of people who saw the plane. Cum shot is a moronic piece of shit.

Dude. It was the chemtrails from the missle that made them think it was a plane.

Even though chemtrails are always related to planes, it was a perfect DARPA psyop to use a missle but make people think it was a plane. Keep up.

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[Core Shot]

I didn’t write all that copy pasta shit.

But after reading it you somehow focus on the transponder. Ignoring the alleged fact that a Cessna hack pilot can’t really jump in a 757 and do amazing maneuvers. Obviously Ted striker could. But every time I look into a commercial jet cockpit it’s an overwhelming array of displays and switches. A Cessna looks like a car dashboard with a few extra plane gauges and controls.

It might have been a plane. But he wasn’t the pilot.

Oh well. Goebbles would be proud of you.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I didn’t write all that copy pasta shit.

But after reading it you somehow focus on the transponder. Ignoring the alleged fact that a Cessna hack pilot can’t really jump in a 757 and do amazing maneuvers. Obviously Ted striker could. But every time I look into a commercial jet cockpit it’s an overwhelming array of displays and switches. A Cessna looks like a car dashboard with a few extra plane gauges and controls.

It might have been a plane. But he wasn’t the pilot.

Oh well. Goebbles would be proud of you.

The hijacker/pilot had a commercial pilot’s license. He had trained on various simulators and real planes. It’s safe to say that the plane was a little out of control before the crash, it clipped a bunch of utility poles


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[Danno]

You’re either trolling or the dumbest person posting on TGR.

Why not both?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Why not both?

That’s probably closer to the truth


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[Core Shot]

Why not both?

That’s probably closer to the truth


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[MultiVerse]

I didn’t write all that copy pasta shit.

But after reading it you somehow focus on the transponder. Ignoring the alleged fact that a Cessna hack pilot can’t really jump in a 757 and do amazing maneuvers.

The terrorist hijacker flew a landing approach aimed at the Pentagon. The terrorist made a 330-degree spiral turn clockwise down to 2,200 feet (not the 20ft in phony stories), pointed the plane at the Pentagon, and then accelerated. The plane's wings clipped five street lights as the plane leveled out above the ground, while the right wing struck a portable generator.

Your write-up is a made up narrative of "amazing maneuvers," that were more by accident than by design, to make it seem harder than it was. Which is also the reason why profession pilots have a hard time recreating it exactly. Because weird things happen with amateurs at the controls. You can't have it both ways: only a pro could have done it, but no pro can recreate it.