Att zipfit gurus!

[bennettc14]

Corsas can be made pretty high volume. That said, I couldn't fit my feet in Corsas in wcr140s. Stock liners well enough. Two tubes of cork in the tongue, though. Might have something to do with it.

I'd suggest trying corsas before writing them off.

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In theory/practice you could make a Corsa about the same volume as a Gara LV?


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[FlimFlamvanHam]

In theory/practice you could make a Corsa about the same volume as a Gara LV?
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Not sure you meant to put a question mark on that. If not, ignore.

You should ask ZF directly as someone would have to have added a few tubes of OMFit to some Corsas (not likely) or know the bladders they use are the same for each size regardless of liner model (not likely but my guess is they are same).

If you do reach out to them and get an answer please post the findings.

[arild]

In theory/practice you could make a Corsa about the same volume as a Gara LV?


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Tongue/instep and ankle, probably. The cuff is a slightly different beast, as the corsa is lower V there as well. But yeah, ask zip.

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[GoldenBC]

@kc

Removing cork is ridiculously easy. Get the liner nice and hot and just massage it back out the entry port. Of course you will need to remold again, but that’s easy. I’m not sure why people have so many strange ways of removing cork (tea spoon, stabbing with the tube, etc. )

Also, don’t try to put surefoot liners into a shell they weren’t made for.

[kc_7777]

@kc

Removing cork is ridiculously easy. Get the liner nice and hot and just massage it back out the entry port. Of course you will need to remold again, but that’s easy. I’m not sure why people have so many strange ways of removing cork (tea spoon, stabbing with the tube, etc. )

Also, don’t try to put surefoot liners into a shell they weren’t made for.

Thx Golden....think I'll order the Workhorse and fiddle with them all summer.

Why not put Surefoot liners into a new shell? I emailed Surefoot this question and they ignored the email. Kind of done with them. I've skied a few days with the Surefoot liners in the Strider and I didn't die? Just wondering why you think that.

[GoldenBC]

Foam injected liners are molded to a specific shell. Putting it in a tighter shell will make it feel tighter and vice versa. You could heat mold the shell around the foam injected liner but that can cause other issues.

Keep in mind when I worked at surefoot the foam was very hard and unforgiving. I’ve seen some come through my shop recently that seemed like they were half as dense as intuition. I don’t know what their normal foam program is these days, or why you would by such a low density liner. The stiffer the foam, the less forgiving it will be in the wrong shell.

[enginerd]

My understanding was the workhorse is more like a leather freeride than a leather gara as it has the wider cuff for lower set ankles, more omfit and probably a wider last (though this isn’t really mentioned anywhere).

I too would have gone workhorse but I think the fluted cuff is a dealbreaker there for my calves


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[NBABUCKS1]

fyi I emailed them about pain in ankle bone and asked where to add cork and they provided this pic that helps to see what the channels look like (at least in my GFT - maybe all models?)

[lucknau]

My understanding was the workhorse is more like a leather freeride than a leather gara as it has the wider cuff for lower set ankles, more omfit and probably a wider last (though this isn’t really mentioned anywhere).

I too would have gone workhorse but I think the fluted cuff is a dealbreaker there for my calves


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Why are the fluted cuffs a dealbreaker? Just wondering, because I was about to order a pair.


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[enginerd]

Well it’s not confirmed as I haven’t evaluated it carefully for my calf but the gara (and my old all leather ones which I think used to be called world cups and have the same cuff as the gara) fits me great in the shin/calf. I have pretty skinny lower legs and I think if the cuff fluted out, I would just have more play there…not to mention less pushback during all my back seat skiing [emoji23]

Honestly, for the extra OMFIT and the all leather, it might be worth it if it’s a good fit between your foot and shell. If you have discussed with zipfit, then I would say go for it. They have a pretty good return policy if it doesn’t work.

Definitely go in/out of your shell with the liner on. I think that’s more important with the leather than with the neoprene after my experience ripping the heal area out of my leather zips (after 12 years of use…but if I was going in/out of the shell with them on, I think I would still be using them).


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[kc_7777]

I did the Zipfit quiz and it recommended Gara LV 1st, and Workhorse 2nd for my Nordica Striders.

I don’t have skinny calves, have normal ankles and so the fluted cuff should be fine. Spoke with Zipfit about removing cork over my high instep. I ordered the Workhorse mainly cause I want the leather. Shipment notice (from Italy) within 24 hours.

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[SoVT Joey]

I have a Gara LV and a Corsa 92, they fit the same volume wise they feel like but the toe box is narrower on the 92. It’s nice to stretch the box… in my race boots. That being said leather inside is a pain right in the ass to get on in a parking lot or without a chair or trying not to get a foot snowy or wet. They ski great when they are on. does the leather make the liner that much better for anything beyond durability? probably not, but that’s just my experience and feel. I still use both liners and my GFT in my touring boot so obviously they work great.

[lucknau]

Well it’s not confirmed as I haven’t evaluated it carefully for my calf but the gara (and my old all leather ones which I think used to be called world cups and have the same cuff as the gara) fits me great in the shin/calf. I have pretty skinny lower legs and I think if the cuff fluted out, I would just have more play there…not to mention less pushback during all my back seat skiing [emoji23]

Honestly, for the extra OMFIT and the all leather, it might be worth it if it’s a good fit between your foot and shell. If you have discussed with zipfit, then I would say go for it. They have a pretty good return policy if it doesn’t work.

Definitely go in/out of your shell with the liner on. I think that’s more important with the leather than with the neoprene after my experience ripping the heal area out of my leather zips (after 12 years of use…but if I was going in/out of the shell with them on, I think I would still be using them).


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Had another conversation with the Zipfit people today and ordered the Workhorse. I’ll let you know how it backseats.

I’m really tall and skinny, and the bulky part of my calf muscles are fully above a boot cuff. They said it should work just as well for me, as anyone else, just to keep in mind that it is not geared specifically to the aggressive skier. I guess I’m about to find out!


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[enginerd]

Congrats!! Take pics and report back! The workhorse looks awesome.


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[kootenayskier]

Looking for an alternative to Intuitions that pack out every few years, my wife chatted with Zipfit customer service (very helpful) and they recommended the Workhorse. She ordered them, and from what I can tell they could have worked well for taking up volume around her super low volume feet, while only just accommodating her wider calves, but the geometry of the instep is way too high and (with her foot laced into them) there’s just no way (perhaps with a heat gun and shoe horns) to get them into her Nordica Aggressor WC130s. Another long chat with Zipfit concluded that there isn’t a model that’s going to work for her, and that she should send them back for a full refund. Bummer. I guess it’s time to stock up on Intuition FX Race liners, now that they’ve been discontinued.

[SnowMachine]

Looking for an alternative to Intuitions that pack out every few years, my wife chatted with Zipfit customer service (very helpful) and they recommended the Workhorse. She ordered them, and from what I can tell they could have worked well for taking up volume around her super low volume feet, while only just accommodating her wider calves, but the geometry of the instep is way too high and (with her foot laced into them) there’s just no way (perhaps with a heat gun and shoe horns) to get them into her Nordica Aggressor WC130s. Another long chat with Zipfit concluded that there isn’t a model that’s going to work for her, and that she should send them back for a full refund. Bummer. I guess it’s time to stock up on Intuition FX Race liners, now that they’ve been discontinued.

Interesting. I guess I would be opposite. My calves are skinny and use the Gara HV to fill up my Lange RX LV. I need to look at the workhorse, but I don't really see how a ZF would take up volume around the foot. It's mostly a neoprene sock up to the ankle. I wonder if it's just the geometry of that boot. What about a foam liner?

[GoldenBC]

Looking for an alternative to Intuitions that pack out every few years, my wife chatted with Zipfit customer service (very helpful) and they recommended the Workhorse. She ordered them, and from what I can tell they could have worked well for taking up volume around her super low volume feet, while only just accommodating her wider calves, but the geometry of the instep is way too high and (with her foot laced into them) there’s just no way (perhaps with a heat gun and shoe horns) to get them into her Nordica Aggressor WC130s. Another long chat with Zipfit concluded that there isn’t a model that’s going to work for her, and that she should send them back for a full refund. Bummer. I guess it’s time to stock up on Intuition FX Race liners, now that they’ve been discontinued.

Did she try taking off the liner strap and laces and using a boot horn to step in traditionally?

[kootenayskier]

Did she try taking off the liner strap and laces and using a boot horn to step in traditionally?

Just from looking at the liner in the shell, it just wasn’t even within the realm of possibility. She swears like sailor getting into them even with her (much less substantial) FX Race liners. The instep on those Nordica Aggressor shells is deep and solid, but they fit her low volume, low instep feet like nothing else.

[carlh]

Are the laces on the gara worth keeping? I’ve been wearing mine at home since the lifts aren’t open yet and thinking I should just take them out. I can get into the boot with the liner in about the same as my stock liners so planning to just do that, maybe adding a shoehorn for less wear as noted above.

[Skeeze]

I personally like the laces as I think they help wrap the liner around my skinny lower legs, but I moved the laces up one eyelet from the bottom and that created noticeably more space over my instep.

[mr_pretzel]

Just from looking at the liner in the shell, it just wasn’t even within the realm of possibility. She swears like sailor getting into them even with her (much less substantial) FX Race liners. The instep on those Nordica Aggressor shells is deep and solid, but they fit her low volume, low instep feet like nothing else.

Has she tried to put them on and then slide into the shell?
The throat of my plugs is wide open before buckling up.

[waxman]

Has she tried to put them on and then slide into the shell?
The throat of my plugs is wide open before buckling up.

look up zipfits video on youtube called "world cupping your boots on" or something like that

[pfluffenmeister]

It takes practice.
And a boothorn (I use a Lupo tongue turned backwards).
And lube; seriously get some silicone spray.

The video alluded to above is very helpful.

[Pinned]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUli9WRIh0A

I've always put my ZipFits on the way this guy does it. There is no way I could step into the boots with the liners already in 'em. Just wouldn't work.

[GoldenBC]

Tuct tape does wonders for making it slip in.