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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    If the scene called for you to put the gun to your head and pull the trigger, would you check that the chamber was clear first or just depend on an armorer to tell you that?
    when you get on a plane that’s about to put you 30000 feet up in the air and the pilot makes the announcement that you’re clear for takeoff, do you run up to the cockpit and re-do the pre-flight checklist, or do you just sit back and enjoy the view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    If the scene called for you to put the gun to your head and pull the trigger, would you check that the chamber was clear first or just depend on an armorer to tell you that?
    I've heard an experianced armorer with many years in the business say on radio that he would check a weapon for live rounds, then he would show the user as he pulled the trigger at least 6 times to show there were no live rounds in a revolver

    Obviously the armorer didnt do his job in this case, didn't check for live rounds, just handed the actor a weapon, the actor trusted that the armorer did their job, this speaks to dealing with experianced people you know & trust
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    Quote Originally Posted by TG View Post
    when you get on a plane that’s about to put you 30000 feet up in the air and the pilot makes the announcement that you’re clear for takeoff, do you run up to the cockpit and re-do the pre-flight checklist, or do you just sit back and enjoy the view?
    Works for the spectators/passengers. not so much for the film crew.. Pretty sure the co pilot also double checks with air traffic control and looks at the gauges too before the pilot hits the throttle on the runway..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skistack View Post
    Don’t think it matters. A live round was in a gun that was her responsibility to insure was safe.


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    So what happens when someone has the responsibility for something but not the authority to carry it out?

    If we all quit every time something objectionable happened at work it would make the Great Resignation look trivial. Being adult means being morally compromised. That's why Peter Pan refused to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TG View Post
    when you get on a plane that’s about to put you 30000 feet up in the air and the pilot makes the announcement that you’re clear for takeoff, do you run up to the cockpit and re-do the pre-flight checklist, or do you just sit back and enjoy the view?
    I don't think you're allowed to run up to the cockpit anymore but I'll defer to Ted Striker on this. But I think it would be ok with most people if you checked the gun a second time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    So what happens when someone has the responsibility for something but not the authority to carry it out?

    If we all quit every time something objectionable happened at work it would make the Great Resignation look trivial. Being adult means being morally compromised. That's why Peter Pan refused to grow up.
    No, being adult means being responsible, and hence a loss of innocence, ala Peter Pan. She could have spoke up if things were going wrong, but she didn't assume the responsibility for control. Now she, through her lawyer, is claiming innocence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    So what happens when someone has the responsibility for something but not the authority to carry it out?

    If we all quit every time something objectionable happened at work it would make the Great Resignation look trivial. Being adult means being morally compromised. That's why Peter Pan refused to grow up.
    Some one getting killed on a movie set is not just objectionable its a tradgedy, keep in mind it could be bad wiring or unsafe stunts not necessarily poor control of weapons

    there were apparently 3 instances of gun safety infractions on that set if you were the person in charge of gun safety and you either lack the expertise to control the situ or people arent listening would you soldier OR quit ?
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    The armor is supposed to demonstrate that the gun barrel is clear and that the chambers are empty to the assistant director. At that point it is up to the Assistant Director to declare the gun “cold“.



    Clearly multiple people did not do their jobs properly. If either of these two had followed their proper safety checks, none of this could’ve occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    A pilot does a walk around but doesn’t climb into the fuel tanks or crawl through the holds inspecting wiring.
    You sure about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TG View Post
    when you get on a plane that’s about to put you 30000 feet up in the air and the pilot makes the announcement that you’re clear for takeoff, do you run up to the cockpit and re-do the pre-flight checklist, or do you just sit back and enjoy the view?
    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Works for the spectators/passengers. not so much for the film crew.. Pretty sure the co pilot also double checks with air traffic control and looks at the gauges too before the pilot hits the throttle on the runway..
    Both amusing and frustrating...

    At the airline level, each person is responsible for what they've received training for. Cross-checks are expected only within the parameters of said training. Beyond that, there are company operations manuals and specific job category manuals that outline exactly what the duties of any given position are. So the pilots don't know how to fix the airplane, the flight attendants don't know how to fly it, etc.

    So in that sense, Baldwin (the actor) is theoretically only responsible for what he's been directed to do.

    BUT, the pilots do review the maintenance log, and perform preflight inspections that include walk arounds, and might come across something that isn't technically something they've been trained for, nor defined by a company manual as a responsibly specific to their position, but just doesn't seem right. In that instance 'good airmanship' should be applied.

    So had Baldwin exercised 'good gunmanship' maybe this tragedy could have be averted. And going forward, the industry's SOPs definitely need to change, but as it stands I'm still of the opinion that it's a "but you're not as confused as Nigel. It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel!" situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    You sure about that? . So the pilots don't know how to fix the airplane, the flight attendants don't know how to fly it, etc.d..
    No, but I used to use that line all the time " Does the jet pilot fix his own airplane ? no I don't know how to operate that computer but i can fix it " so all that was really required is that the the customer bought the line and they always did

    I don't think an actor should be required to know gun safety, instead they should be handed an unloaded weapon
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I don't think an actor should be required to know gun safety, instead they should be handed an unloaded weapon
    Shouldn't anyone using a gun know gun safety 101?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    Shouldn't anyone using a gun know gun safety 101?
    and then violate the 101 rules they learned because that's what the script demands? if you go bungee jumping at a commercial outfit, and they put a harness on you, make sure it is sized correctly and is tight, they rig the bungees and connect you, are you supposed to know "climbing 101" to know how to inspect the harness for proper fit, the rigging for the correct knots, etc, or are you entitled to rely on the people paid to correctly do those exact things?
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    So, is this then the passengers fault for not double checking on the pilot?


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    The term pilot applied somewhat loosely. smh

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    Hope he got a refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    and then violate the 101 rules they learned because that's what the script demands? if you go bungee jumping at a commercial outfit, and they put a harness on you, make sure it is sized correctly and is tight, they rig the bungees and connect you, are you supposed to know "climbing 101" to know how to inspect the harness for proper fit, the rigging for the correct knots, etc, or are you entitled to rely on the people paid to correctly do those exact things?
    You're not probably gonna kill anyone but yourself bungee jumping, or is that subtle difference lost on you?

    If you ever handle a gun with that mentality, please make sure nobody is anywhere near you.
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    I just want to say how impressed I am that Y'all figured out the causes and blame without the help of pure/antigravity

    Carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    Shouldn't anyone using a gun know gun safety 101?
    are you using it as " a gun " or " a movie prop " i think there is a difference

    as a gun you wana hit what you intend to hit and don't hit what you don't wana hit

    as a movie prop you are most likely trying to look like you are killing something
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    I just want to say how impressed I am that Y'all figured out the causes and blame without the help of pure/antigravity

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    So who would be better flying a prop plane on a movie set without killing anyone... Alec Baldwin or Harrison Ford? Same question on a treadmill
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    Who do you want dead? Just the actor, or some bystanders as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    are you using it as " a gun " or " a movie prop " i think there is a difference

    as a gun you wana hit what you intend to hit and don't hit what you don't wana hit

    as a movie prop you are most likely trying to look like you are killing something
    Whoa whoa whoa, stay in your lane bro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa, stay in your lane bro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    No, being adult means being responsible, and hence a loss of innocence, ala Peter Pan. She could have spoke up if things were going wrong, but she didn't assume the responsibility for control. Now she, through her lawyer, is claiming innocence.
    She says she did speak up about unsafe practices, repeatedly. Or did you not bother to read the link?

    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Some one getting killed on a movie set is not just objectionable its a tradgedy, keep in mind it could be bad wiring or unsafe stunts not necessarily poor control of weapons

    there were apparently 3 instances of gun safety infractions on that set if you were the person in charge of gun safety and you either lack the expertise to control the situ or people arent listening would you soldier OR quit ?
    Obviously someone getting killed was a tragedy. I never said it wasn't. But unsafe practices on the set are not by themselves a tragedy and that is what I am talking about.

    If there is anyone here who quit every time they saw something unsafe, unethical, or illegal at work--every time--then they should be canonized. If that is only what they expect of others they are pontificating hypocrites.

    Until it is determined how real ammo wound up on the set and how it wound up in the gun there is no way to know if the armorer was wholly or partly responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa, stay in your lane bro.


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    I dunno, I came in 48th place out of 53 last Saturday
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