I've heard an experianced armorer with many years in the business say on radio that he would check a weapon for live rounds, then he would show the user as he pulled the trigger at least 6 times to show there were no live rounds in a revolver
Obviously the armorer didnt do his job in this case, didn't check for live rounds, just handed the actor a weapon, the actor trusted that the armorer did their job, this speaks to dealing with experianced people you know & trust
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
So what happens when someone has the responsibility for something but not the authority to carry it out?
If we all quit every time something objectionable happened at work it would make the Great Resignation look trivial. Being adult means being morally compromised. That's why Peter Pan refused to grow up.
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Some one getting killed on a movie set is not just objectionable its a tradgedy, keep in mind it could be bad wiring or unsafe stunts not necessarily poor control of weapons
there were apparently 3 instances of gun safety infractions on that set if you were the person in charge of gun safety and you either lack the expertise to control the situ or people arent listening would you soldier OR quit ?
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
The armor is supposed to demonstrate that the gun barrel is clear and that the chambers are empty to the assistant director. At that point it is up to the Assistant Director to declare the gun “cold“.
Clearly multiple people did not do their jobs properly. If either of these two had followed their proper safety checks, none of this could’ve occurred.
You sure about that?
Both amusing and frustrating...
At the airline level, each person is responsible for what they've received training for. Cross-checks are expected only within the parameters of said training. Beyond that, there are company operations manuals and specific job category manuals that outline exactly what the duties of any given position are. So the pilots don't know how to fix the airplane, the flight attendants don't know how to fly it, etc.
So in that sense, Baldwin (the actor) is theoretically only responsible for what he's been directed to do.
BUT, the pilots do review the maintenance log, and perform preflight inspections that include walk arounds, and might come across something that isn't technically something they've been trained for, nor defined by a company manual as a responsibly specific to their position, but just doesn't seem right. In that instance 'good airmanship' should be applied.
So had Baldwin exercised 'good gunmanship' maybe this tragedy could have be averted. And going forward, the industry's SOPs definitely need to change, but as it stands I'm still of the opinion that it's a "but you're not as confused as Nigel. It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel!" situation.
No, but I used to use that line all the time " Does the jet pilot fix his own airplane ? no I don't know how to operate that computer but i can fix it " so all that was really required is that the the customer bought the line and they always did
I don't think an actor should be required to know gun safety, instead they should be handed an unloaded weapon
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
and then violate the 101 rules they learned because that's what the script demands? if you go bungee jumping at a commercial outfit, and they put a harness on you, make sure it is sized correctly and is tight, they rig the bungees and connect you, are you supposed to know "climbing 101" to know how to inspect the harness for proper fit, the rigging for the correct knots, etc, or are you entitled to rely on the people paid to correctly do those exact things?
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
So, is this then the passengers fault for not double checking on the pilot?
The term pilot applied somewhat loosely. smh
Hope he got a refund.
I just want to say how impressed I am that Y'all figured out the causes and blame without the help of pure/antigravity
Carry on
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
So who would be better flying a prop plane on a movie set without killing anyone... Alec Baldwin or Harrison Ford? Same question on a treadmill
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
Who do you want dead? Just the actor, or some bystanders as well?
Whoa whoa whoa, stay in your lane bro.
We take gun safety advice from MTT.
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She says she did speak up about unsafe practices, repeatedly. Or did you not bother to read the link?
Obviously someone getting killed was a tragedy. I never said it wasn't. But unsafe practices on the set are not by themselves a tragedy and that is what I am talking about.
If there is anyone here who quit every time they saw something unsafe, unethical, or illegal at work--every time--then they should be canonized. If that is only what they expect of others they are pontificating hypocrites.
Until it is determined how real ammo wound up on the set and how it wound up in the gun there is no way to know if the armorer was wholly or partly responsible.
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