K2 Reckoner 102 112 122 Thread

[Velomayniac]

The longest length freestyle K2s only ever worked for me in the Pettitor 120 and Obsethed, which were just solid enough (I guess because they were the athlete versions?) to actually be stable enough to charge fairly confidently, and then also super playful K2 flex so they added a to to my quiver in terms of tight tree skiing or technical chutes whatever.

In the Kung Fujas, Shreditor 102, and Shreditor 112, the longest lengths weren't stable enough to charge like some other competitor skis (Moment Bibby/PBJ/Wildcat), and they were a tad too long for me to actually mess around on like 180s, 360s, grabs and park laps with rails and half-pipe. Too long to try new jibs, for me anyways. They felt meh all around, whereas the middle lengths (179-184) were super jibby and made me try new tricks around the whole mountain, that the stiffer 184 PbJ and Bibby/Wildcat don't truly allow a lot of creativity (butters and such). I also found the shorter length K2s chattered significantly less for some reason (they were same stiffness as long K2s) which also translated to a slightly higher speed limit as long as I skied super centered.

Idk if that makes sense. I know the Reckoner is a completely different ski to those, but this is all in the back of my mind. I would buy the 184 over the 191 still, and I am 6'2", 195-235lbs depending on the year.

[PeachesNCream]

The longest length freestyle K2s only ever worked for me in the Pettitor 120 and Obsethed, which were just solid enough (I guess because they were the athlete versions?) to actually be stable enough to charge fairly confidently, and then also super playful K2 flex so they added a to to my quiver in terms of tight tree skiing or technical chutes whatever.

In the Kung Fujas, Shreditor 102, and Shreditor 112, the longest lengths weren't stable enough to charge like some other competitor skis (Moment Bibby/PBJ/Wildcat), and they were a tad too long for me to actually mess around on like 180s, 360s, grabs and park laps with rails and half-pipe. Too long to try new jibs, for me anyways. They felt meh all around, whereas the middle lengths (179-184) were super jibby and made me try new tricks around the whole mountain, that the stiffer 184 PbJ and Bibby/Wildcat don't truly allow a lot of creativity (butters and such). I also found the shorter length K2s chattered significantly less for some reason (they were same stiffness as long K2s) which also translated to a slightly higher speed limit as long as I skied super centered.

Idk if that makes sense. I know the Reckoner is a completely different ski to those, but this is all in the back of my mind. I would buy the 184 over the 191 still, and I am 6'2", 195-235lbs depending on the year.

Interesting. In my head I’m rooting for the 184 as lighter for touring and more playful sound fun so I like your take. I don’t flip or spin so the jibby part is less applicable but still have a pretty playful approach to skiing. The shorter sticks being less chattery is really interesting tho, esp coming from a fellow 200 pounder.


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[CHAIR_97]

Interesting. In my head I’m rooting for the 184 as lighter for touring and more playful sound fun so I like your take. I don’t flip or spin so the jibby part is less applicable but still have a pretty playful approach to skiing. The shorter sticks being less chattery is really interesting tho, esp coming from a fellow 200 pounder.


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191 ... everything he mentioned about 10 to 15 year old skis is inapplicable.

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[Velomayniac]

Interesting. In my head I’m rooting for the 184 as lighter for touring and more playful sound fun so I like your take. I don’t flip or spin so the jibby part is less applicable but still have a pretty playful approach to skiing. The shorter sticks being less chattery is really interesting tho, esp coming from a fellow 200 pounder.


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He's right, the new skis are completely different. I'd still go 184 as a jib ski myself, but I'd like to try the larger length too it sounds like. Cy Whitling was telling me specifically that the Reckoner 112 is more stable than the old Shreditor 112, even though it is lighter weight. So the larger version could be more in line with the stability on a 190 Wildcat 108 or something, and still nimble.

Certain versions of those old k2s were basically the only skis I ever felt more confidence in the 179s than 189s (shreditor 102 and 112), mainly because they were such noodles and the longer noodle just got more noodley.

[tuco]

Well, people using slightly shorter and lighter skis for touring or shorter skis for tighter terrain hasn't changed much

[PeachesNCream]

Grabbed myself a pair, little worse condition than I was expecting (bought on eBay with poor lighting pics) but whatever, I’m stoked. They feel a little heavier than I expected but nice and poppy. Now which bindings? Kind of thinking forza 2.0


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[CHAIR_97]

Grabbed myself a pair, little worse condition than I was expecting (bought on eBay with poor lighting pics) but whatever, I’m stoked. They feel a little heavier than I expected but nice and poppy. Now which bindings? Kind of thinking forza 2.0


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Navy pivots look sweet on those
My rec for mount would be on the team line .
Don't expect them to finish the turn for you when carving groomers just point and slash point and slash. Really important to have the tune or rather detune right on those skis you should be able to throw them sideways at full speed and not slow down at all unless you want to. Enjoy

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[carterhudson]

Just picked up last years 112’s in a 191 shipped to my house for $360 CAD from sport chek. They have an additional 25% off code right now (CESEP).

[CHAIR_97]

That's a hell of a deal

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[altacoup]

Tried to buy some Salomon Qst from the sportchek website but they don’t seem to ship to the US.


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[waveshello]

A seller on Geartrade listed a bunch of lengths and widths of these new for $350, pretty good deal. Brand new Reckoner 102 184 for $299.

https://www.geartrade.com/search/sel...ort=new&page=1

[PeachesNCream]

Getting ready to mount them up. I like mounts around minus 5, more progressive but not a park guy. I liked the deathwish on the line and the Jeffery at minus 1. For the reckoner I’m thinking of splitting the difference between team and midsole lines. Thoughts?


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[CHAIR_97]

Getting ready to mount them up. I like mounts around minus 5, more progressive but not a park guy. I liked the deathwish on the line and the Jeffery at minus 1. For the reckoner I’m thinking of splitting the difference between team and midsole lines. Thoughts?


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Go team. I've tried all 3 ... all of the reckoners ski better the further fwd you go.

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[g_man80]

Found a new pair of 112s, 184cm with one of the few acceptable top sheets (IMO). I like the current 23/24 graphics but haven’t found any deals yet.

Mount point? Been following the thread and most recs are midsole with a few team votes. I’m leaning towards midsole or a smidge behind that (i.e., -6cm). Mounting black Attack 14, not very exciting, I know.

[PeachesNCream]

I went with team line per sirvicamashers rec. Only one early season day so far but I like them there but I like forward mounts


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[sk8rat6587]

I think either work. It's a big sweet spot so I don't think you are missing out a ton either way.

I went with midsole because I wanted a little more float and I tend to like skis with recommended mount points in the 5-6 cm range.

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[PeachesNCream]

I’ve have one shitty day on the reckoner 112 and was surprised by how versatile they were. Definitely a lot of similarities to the Jeffery but felt like better grip on groomers and more willing to do small turns. Curious to see how these will do in chop compared to the heavier bamboo Jeffery’s


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[MoeSnow]

I’ve have one shitty day on the reckoner 112 and was surprised by how versatile they were. Definitely a lot of similarities to the Jeffery but felt like better grip on groomers and more willing to do small turns. Curious to see how these will do in chop compared to the heavier bamboo Jeffery’s

I have been on both ON3P Jeffs (110 waist-width 181 length) and K2 Reckoners (112 waist-width 184 length).

Agree with the assessment that Reckoners are better regarding grip on groomers and smaller turns. They're softer overall which is probably what makes them easier to push into those smaller turns. Reckoners feel twitchier and less stable than Jeffs, but more maneuverable.

Jeffs were stiffer and more difficult for me to butter and play around on. I am far from the best at butters or playful-er skiing in general. Those who are better at newschool-style skiing probably won't have the same issues as me. If you're substantially heavier than me (175lbs) you should probably gravitate towards Jeffs more. Jeffs require an upright stance and cannot be skied through the shovels at all. Reckoners allow for you to drive the shovels a wee bit (at least from farthest-back line).

Not going to try Jeffs again but I am interested in the Woodsman/Billy Goat.

[Velomayniac]

I want to try a pair of the 112s, but I don't know if I should try 184 or 191.

Been loving the jibbiness of my 186 Blackops 118, but don't think the 184 Reckoner will have the same backbone when I want to open it up. Been really enjoying my 190 Moment Wildcat 108s too, however they aren't ridiculously jibby which keeps me on the hunt for something more noodley.

Thinking 191s would be best, but I need them to absolutely RIP big funky moguls and I'm not quite sure if they do That's the whole reason I'd be buying them, it's the only place I don't love Wildcat 108s, super tight stuff and buttering around

[PeachesNCream]

I have been on both ON3P Jeffs (110 waist-width 181 length) and K2 Reckoners (112 waist-width 184 length).

Agree with the assessment that Reckoners are better regarding grip on groomers and smaller turns. They're softer overall which is probably what makes them easier to push into those smaller turns. Reckoners feel twitchier and less stable than Jeffs, but more maneuverable.

Jeffs were stiffer and more difficult for me to butter and play around on. I am far from the best at butters or playful-er skiing in general. Those who are better at newschool-style skiing probably won't have the same issues as me. If you're substantially heavier than me (175lbs) you should probably gravitate towards Jeffs more. Jeffs require an upright stance and cannot be skied through the shovels at all. Reckoners allow for you to drive the shovels a wee bit (at least from farthest-back line).

Not going to try Jeffs again but I am interested in the Woodsman/Billy Goat.

I am heavier (205 lbs) and might drop the reckoner 112 and stick to a 2 ski quiver of dw104 and kartel 116. Buuut if I’m being real, I spend more time in the trees than I do charging where I might appreciate the more maneuverable reckoner. Time will tell


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[PeachesNCream]

I want to try a pair of the 112s, but I don't know if I should try 184 or 191.

Been loving the jibbiness of my 186 Blackops 118, but don't think the 184 Reckoner will have the same backbone when I want to open it up. Been really enjoying my 190 Moment Wildcat 108s too, however they aren't ridiculously jibby which keeps me on the hunt for something more noodley.

Thinking 191s would be best, but I need them to absolutely RIP big funky moguls and I'm not quite sure if they do That's the whole reason I'd be buying them, it's the only place I don't love Wildcat 108s, super tight stuff and buttering around

Reckoners might not be super stiff, but I wouldn’t call them noodley. I’ll let others chime in who have spent more time on them but I don’t think I’d pick a 112 waisted ski to rip moguls


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[Velomayniac]

Sometimes I like 112mm skis for do-it-all, but they need to rip bumps. I loved Shreditor 112s and Katana 112s

[Shorty_J]

Sometimes I like 112mm skis for do-it-all, but they need to rip bumps. I loved Shreditor 112s and Katana 112s

I don't remember if you already have reckoners or not? If you want to rip bumps on them I think it's possible but would be easier if you are on the larger side, and definitely give them an thorough detune.

They start out VERY sharp.

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[kc_7777]

Well dang this happened. Was randomly looking at Sport Chek’s website and saw Reckoners for $149 CDN. WTF?

PS I had sold my 177 Reckoner 122s (unskied).

Guess I was meant to have these skis. And free shipping. Not my fault?

[altacoup]

Man I’m glad they don’t have any longer lengths available. I own way too many powder skis.