I propose that in any place where there is open season on Wolves, there should also be open season on range-cattle. Seems fair.
I propose that in any place where there is open season on Wolves, there should also be open season on range-cattle. Seems fair.
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The vandemics are eating the animals.
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Happy 30th anniversary of wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone NP
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I still call it The Jake.
Unfortunately we lost the Queen recently. She had a good run.
https://mountainjournal.org/legendar...ith-rival-pack
Anyone encountered wolves or coyotes in the alpine in the dead of winter?
Heard some howling and whooping that was clearly canids at several points, and I actually saw one canid atop an alpine rock pile at ~11,900ft on the west face of the divide. I spend a lot of time in this drainage and had never seen this before, much less on a sub-zero day in the winter. It struck me as very odd for either coyotes or wolves as there is limited prey up there and the weather is harsh.
Originally Posted by blurred
I saw four wolves last summer in the alpine, ~11,000 feet which is high for Montana and far above treeline. They were going after some bighorn sheep, chasing them into cliffbands where the sheep seemed to have a big advantage. Seemed odd to me to see them that high chasing that game, but what do I know. The deer and elk in the lowlands would seem like much easier prey.
"They don't think it be like it is, but it do."
I saw one on a ridge at about 7500 feet in February 2 years ago. Not exactly alpine but above treeline and about 1500 feet above the valley floor.
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swing your fucking sword.
I've seen coyotes at Kirkwood. 7800' One allegedly ate a ski bum's crock pot contents. Sugar Bowl had trouble with ropes getting cut into 6 inch lengths. Forget whether it was foxes or coyotes. 6900'
If "alpine" is above treeline, then technically no. Also rarely sub-zero in freedom units. As for harshness, the Donner Party left vivid notes in their diaries. They camped and died 1000' lower. If Sugar Bowl had been built a century earlier, they'd have found the lodge and escaped the history books.
They got better places to be.
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/post/coy...dzie/15797022/
The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.
It might have been 11,700 but either way it was above treeline on that particular slope by a few hundred feet.
Originally Posted by blurred
I've seen coyotes well above treeline, but perhaps it was more of the later winter/ early spring season. Hibernating marmots and pikas would potentially be a tasty treat? Or winter kill, I've seen plenty of elk carcasses on the snow near and above treeline in my travels.
If you're ever curious to read what a large segment of the population thinks about wolves and wolf reintroduction (which from the comments most believe wolves are exactly as portrayed in movies and that livestock "were there first") have a go at this rousing FB "discussion". I don't follow Joe Rogan and the last time I heard him say anything of value it was on News Radio, so I'm not sure how this ended up on my feed but here we are and now it's on yours. Sorry in advance.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1E7CMdVP7c/
I still call it The Jake.
respectfully, I believe most are in a silent majority and dont comment to things like wolf reintroduction on places like Facebook - There was a comment ( it may even be in Rogans post) that decision like wolf reintroduction dont belong on the ballot - that I agree with, but this is the system that we have come to, and it is my understanding the voters in CO approved a measure to reintroduce wolves. I am not persuaded that this is going to cause any hardship for Joes friend thirty minutes from Aspen nor that these wolves were released on Joes friends ranch ; wolves are predators, I will agree to that ; but the idea that they are the threat they could be in the nineteenth century, ,,, defies Reason. As a species, ,,,, we seem to needs to control or kill anything that we perceive as a threat. perceive-d threat. [coexist] is the bumper sticker I would add to my [change for a nickel, eh! ] window sticker... Joe is a highly effective influencer. But I dont believe he speaks for the real [most] - no do I. There is a place for wolves in a healthy ecosystem - it has been shown repeatedly over the last forty years and sixty years... https://cpw.state.co.us/news/0111202...15-gray-wolves peace, my friends skiJ
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SkiJ--congratulations on a readable post.
Oh… who the hell knows what killed that elk. We have legs like that from mule deer in and around our property every season. Dogs find them, carry them to the house, and I stick them in the deck rafters.
Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
In my experience, wolves are like a lot of things in the wilderness--if you think it *might* be a wolf, it's most likely not. But when you actually hear one or see one, you will definitely know it. Call it primordial intuition or something to that effect. They are unmistakable and really cool.
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Joe might be over his skis. If I were a rancher with cattle grazing I'd be glad other grazers were being culled therefore protecting feed knowing that if my cattle were killed by wolves I'd be compensated. But being being over your skis apparently keeps your subscriber and follower numbers up.
This guy obviously respects wolves and thinks they're rad too. "Be the solution."
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Trophy hunter. Neat, can’t wait to hear how he’s the paragon of environmental stewardship through his snuff addiction.
I still call it The Jake.
Thank you, Bmills-
skiJ
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