Wolves are rad.

[plugboots]

While not wolves (today) Montana seems like a really shitty place to be if you’re a cool animal with all these limp dicks running around shooting shit.

https://www.cleveland.com/nation/202...ment-says.html

J.
F.
C.
No words. 3,600 birds killed.

[zion zig zag]

While not wolves (today) Montana seems like a really shitty place to be if you’re a cool animal with all these limp dicks running around shooting shit.

https://www.cleveland.com/nation/202...ment-says.html

While totally shitty, I’m not sure what that has to do with wolves. Maybe you were looking for the shitty human thread?

[BmillsSkier]

While totally shitty, I’m not sure what that has to do with wolves. Maybe you were looking for the shitty human thread?

It reminded me of the fatwa the MT Governor put on wolves a year or so ago mentioned a page or two back.

And on principle alone I don’t go into the shitty humans thread.


But on topic, here's an update on the Colorado Cattlemen's Assoc. arguing before a judge today to enjoin CPW and the USFW from reintroducing grey wolves to the state by the statutory deadline of 12/31 passed in 2020.

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/12/1...s-association/

According to Googles there are 2.8MM head of cattle in CO. These must be some kind of mutant killer wolves if they're afraid that they're going to put a dent in that kind of a cattle population (that the CPW reimburses the ranchers for any confirmed wolf kills), or they could just really hate wolves; that too.

[TBS]

On a positive note, there’s a pair living about 15 miles from me.

https://www.nuggetnews.com/story/202...ves/35528.html

Pretty sure I saw one of them early one morning in September near headwaters of the Metolius.

[BmillsSkier]

On a positive note, there’s a pair living about 15 miles from me.

https://www.nuggetnews.com/story/202...ves/35528.html

Pretty sure I saw one of them early one morning in September near headwaters of the Metolius.

Very cool indeed.

[liv2ski]

God Damn it, I hate seeing this thread pop up. Fucking ranchers.

[The Reverend Floater]

If I shot every rando large dog that ran up to me and or my dogs, I'd have shot a shit load of dogs. But I haven't, and, by some slim chance I guess, none of those were wolves either.

Seems like homie may have used poor judgement here... Not a whole lot of solo wolves roaming around campgrounds where multiple vehicles, families and dogs are present, IME.

Not advocating for shooting strange dogs but a wolf was shot in a campsite I was at in the sawtooth valley this fall. It was shot maybe 30 yards from a tent, and the shooter said the pack had run through the campsite. F&G showed up very quickly and confirmed the legality. The LE guy said that they'd had a handful of incidents (non lethal until this one) in campgrounds in the late summer and fall.

Again, not advocating for shooting them but they have been getting bolder, especially after the elk population in that area had a brutal winter. I noticed it archery hunting this fall...they typically keep their distance to the point of invisibility but this fall they did not and were quite prominent.

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[yeahman]

God Damn it, I hate seeing this thread pop up. Fucking ranchers.

Yeah, farmers, ranchers, fuck them, who needs 'em. What we need are more wild dogs.

[liv2ski]

Right? I don't eat mammals so fuck those guys

[The Reverend Floater]

Yeah, farmers, ranchers, fuck them, who needs 'em. What we need are more wild dogs.

Heh.

It's all those farmers shooting wolves to protect their....uhhh...crops!

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[TBS]

^^^Didnt you have a llama to protect your stock from wolves? Janet Reno?

[dunfree]

^^^Didnt you have a llama to protect your stock from wolves? Janet Reno?

seen those viscous fuckers to protect from yotes

[The Reverend Floater]

^^^Didnt you have a llama to protect your stock from wolves? Janet Reno?

That is correct, but not so much wolves as coyotes.

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[Conundrum]

Maybe a bigger, cuntier Janet Reno in llama form is in order.

[This End Up]

Why can’t we release the wolves into major metropolitan areas? The wolves would displace the coyotes and maybe even help with the homeless situation. Most importantly the people who support wolf reintroduction would actually get to see the wolves.

[liv2ski]

Kind of early for me to answer this as well as it deserves, but my take is we need so much more protected wilderness than we have for the critters all to live without human intervention.
If you choose to live close to these areas then you are accepting the occasional inconvenience that may occur.
If you don't want to deal with that, move to a city you fucking idiots.

[Foggy_Goggles]

I'm always a bit conflicted on ranching. It is not the best us of resources but steaks are delicious, ranchers tend to be good peeps and i like wide open spaces.

Like many issues, it creates friction when you just discount people's ways of life. In North Park (Colorado) wolves from the Yellowstone pack have been killing dogs and cattle. Just across the border, it's shoot, shovel and shut up. But not here.

The introduction has been messing in Colorado. We had a statewide vote, the areas where the wolves were to be reintroduced votes no. The urban areas voted yes. It is not as simple as it sounds.

https://coloradosun.com/2022/01/30/w...come!%E2%80%9D

[summit]

After the CO DOW wildlife biologists said wolves shouldn't be reintroduced, activists made it a ballot issue and the voters overruled the scientists. But it was largely the cities telling the rural/mountain communities what they should endure:



Yea, there are a few yes exceptions in the mtns where relocated wealthy former-city dwelling liberals dominate like Aspen, Telluride, and just barely Summit. But almost all of the numerical weight of the yes vote (which was only 50.91% in favor) comes from metro Denver and Boulder. 51 of 64 counties opposed it, many adamantly.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I'm always a bit conflicted on ranching. It is not the best us of resources but steaks are delicious, ranchers tend to be good peeps and i like wide open spaces.

Like many issues, it creates friction when you just discount people's ways of life. In North Park (Colorado) wolves from the Yellowstone pack have been killing dogs and cattle. Just across the border, it's shoot, shovel and shut up. But not here.

The introduction has been messing in Colorado. We had a statewide vote, the areas where the wolves were to be reintroduced votes no. The urban areas voted yes. It is not as simple as it sounds.

https://coloradosun.com/2022/01/30/w...come!%E2%80%9D

Most of the beef you love doesn’t come from range cattle that interact with wolves.

I know it’s a way of life for the western ranchers but it’s unnecessary from a food necessity standpoint. What percentage of their beef falls to wolves?

I think most of the pushback to wolves is because of fear and ignorance about the real dangers of wolves.


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[fastfred]

ranchers have been living off government welfare for well over 100 years now
they don't even realize it since it's been non stop generational handouts since they settled the west
it's time for them to man up like they expect the rest of the country to do while they bash welfare and public housing they gladly lease public land for their own financial gain well below market value they purchase water rights that are all subsidized heavily and provided by the government if they are having a bad crop year they get a check to make up the loss from the gov't then if god forbid something happens to one of their poor little baseball gloves as they graze in a field the gov't will pay them for their loss

fuck ranchers fuck cattle steak is nasty hamburgers are foul go drive by a feed lot and guess why is smells so bad it's animals living in their own shit and piss pumped full of drugs to combat the constant disease they wallow in

[summit]

^what are you even talking about? Apart from your warped view that frankly sounds like the pork industry, not the cattle industry...

Very little cattle ranching, maybe 5% of beef cattle, occurs on public land.

Most cattle ranching happens on privately owned marginal land that is only useful for grazing.

Wolves don't know the difference between public and private land.

You then went into farming subsidies... farming isn't ranching. Most farmers are not ranchers and vice versa although some ranchers may have some fields for haying for winter and growing feed corn for the winter or if they do their own finishing. There are advantages to price stability in farming, even if farm subsidies could use a revamp.

[muted reborn]

About 2 million cows on Public Land is not "very little" in any context. Unless you want to spin it in your favor as 'only 5%!' of all cattle in the US is on public lands.

[bodywhomper]

One of the new California packs was named. The Yowlumni Pack, lives in the Sequoia National Monument area, and is believed to have a breeding pair and 6 pups. The state partnered with the Tule River Tribe to name the pack after the Yowlumni band of the Tule River Yokuts. Yowlumni is the name of their language. https://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntim...-tulare-county

[MagnificentUnicorn]

That’s less than 10% of the 29.4 million beef cattle in the US if it makes you feel better. You could probably eliminate all of those and it wouldn’t amount to 5% of the beef brought to market because the cattle ranged on marginal public pasture land are smaller. Regardless it’s a small percentage of the total beef raised and sold.


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[fastfred]

Officially fuck ranchers and there government subsidized pulling myself up by my bootstraps way of all American life

Wolves are back

Fuck you homos

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