Sobriety, V2.

[skaredshtles]

For those that can't get a handle on their buzz of choice, my heartfelt condolences. I had a funny conversation with my Dr. at the annual check up. "How many drinks do you average a day"? "Maybe 4, sometimes more". Dr. Seriously? A couple of beers during the day and 2 glasses of wine at night just keeps me tranquil, not sloppy drunk. Anyways, I am told I have to seriously curtail my drinking, so I responded; "fine, I will stop for 30 days, once done with that you can write my a script for Valium or I will be back to drinking". Should I of requested something else to keep my chill on? Not a big THC user.

Man... showing up and cunting up the sobriety thread like this is poor form. You should realize that. Even if it's in jest.

[MTT]

I was just sitting here listening to a boring meeting thinking back

My first job after the Airforce was in a hospital working with all the people who maintain the place. Electricians plumbers electronics

There were several men who would stop at a bar down the street that opened every morning at 6 am
Then come to work an hour early to play domino’s

You could not tell they had to start the day drunk

At the time I was young and could not comprehend it

Now I understand and it makes me sad

[liv2ski]

Huh? Told I have to curtail my drinking (which I have done for the last 10 days) and you are mad cuz I would like something other than weed to take the edge off. No worries, the question was answered elsewhere, so go fuck yourself.

[SumJongGuy]

Huh? Told I have to curtail my drinking (which I have done for the last 10 days) and you are mad cuz I would like something other than weed to take the edge off. No worries, the question was answered elsewhere, so go fuck yourself.

Who said anything about weed? Weed use is not considered sobriety in most circles. IFWIW, as mentioned above, it doesn't appear you are ready for sobriety yet. Keep coming back ;-)

[MTT]

Yea. We need to take it easy on each other. Consider a person’s frame of mind when they type. A cut each other a bunch of slack

Pitty the internet and this place are so heavy monitored that you can’t really be honest about anything

The past few months I have lived the cleanest sober rigid life I have ever lived

But not good enough I’m in some minor trouble again

No big deal just more shit I have to drag around

[RootSkier]

Huh? Told I have to curtail my drinking (which I have done for the last 10 days) and you are mad cuz I would like something other than weed to take the edge off. No worries, the question was answered elsewhere, so go fuck yourself.

The fact that you talking about limiting (not even eliminating) booze in exchange for Xanax means you obviously in the wrong thread, my man.

[MTT]

Who said anything about weed? Weed use is not considered sobriety in most circles. IFWIW, as mentioned above, it doesn't appear you are ready for sobriety yet. Keep coming back ;-)

You keep telling yourself that. Weed is a serious problem for many people

[~mikey b]

that’s the spirit!

[SumJongGuy]

You keep telling yourself that. Weed is a serious problem for many people

You read it wrong. Smoking weed isn't "sobriety" It's the opposite of sobriety. MJ maintenance is doomed to fail if you're really an alcoholic.

[MTT]

I just learned about Xanax. Last week. I never tried it

I was told it’s the same buzz as alcohol

Funny all the treatment professionals trying to get people off of whatever it is
Have no problem talking you into antidepressants.

How fucked up is that?

[SoVT Joey]

I just learned about Xanax. Last week. I never tried it

I was told it’s the same buzz as alcohol

Funny all the treatment professionals trying to get people off of whatever it is
Have no problem talking you into antidepressants.

How fucked up is that?

same as suboxone or methadone when coming off H or opiates. It’s fucked. They offer it like it’s some great thing, all it is is a crutch and keeps you hooked to the same feeling. It has its purpose for detox for sure, but beyond that, it’s not a permanent maintenance program or at least shouldn’t be. You have to learn to live all over again, but it’s really fun, and life is pretty fucking great not waking up sick and shitty feeling everyday.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

There's a time and a place for prescriptions drugs. Limited use of benzos (aka Xanax and similar family of drugs) for medically supervised detox. Yes, that's standard practice when treating those with serious alcohol dependence trying to get clean. Anti-depressants have a place too. Personally, I think they are effective during early sobriety but (again....my experience) they should not be a long term solution. Perhaps in conjunction with rigorous self improvement, program, therapy, tremendous amounts of exercise, etc....but not in lieu of the self work.

Problem with the state of western medicine today is that so many people just get pilled up for years and then don't actually do any of the work needed to heal their brain chemistry, build new neural pathways, repair the damaged ones, learn new tools to live life and deal with anxiety/depression etc........

Just bump up the script and don't do anything else to actually change your life.

I've seen far too many people get dependent on Xanax in particular. It's pretty sad.

Drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness are brutal. I just had a family member call me just now (after I ignored their phone calls all night long) to tell me about how the secret service has been following them for years. A grown adult with children that is utterly lost due to their addictions and unwillingness to get help.

[MTT]

The fact that you talking about limiting (not even eliminating) booze in exchange for Xanax means you obviously in the wrong thread, my man.

No, respectfully your wrong. This is exactly the right place. Right here where everyone knows the story and understands

[liv2ski]

Long story short from a thread elsewhere, there is nothing on the market that comes close to a alcohol buzz, so I won't be pursuing any prescription drugs. If ludes were still around they would be closest, but doing those daily like a few glasses of wine would be disastrous.
I will humor the doc and stay dry for awhile, do a new blood test in April and see where we are at then. To those that struggle with drugs and alcohol, no disrespect was meant by my comments.
I am out.

[detrusor]

Couple things.

Benzodiazepines act at the same receptor as alcohol….not a good substitute if stopping alcohol is your end goal.

Next, no fucking way I could leave half a drink on the table or half a bottle.

Marijuana use is not sober.


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[byates1]

Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization https://g.co/kgs/PQVdJr

I liked this, an objective historical take on alcohol. Basically everything humans have built and done is, in part, bc of drinking.

I've had my share and stoked to have put it down. Was a long time coming for me. Life is clear, peaceful and serene.

[SumJongGuy]

Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization https://g.co/kgs/PQVdJr

I liked this, an objective historical take on alcohol. Basically everything humans have built and done is, in part, bc of drinking.

I've had my share and stoked to have put it down. Was a long time coming for me. Life is clear, peaceful and serene.

The majority of the non drinking periods of my drinking days life (school, work, etc) was spent trying to parlay a lifestyle that allowed more drinking/partying time.

[Angle Parking]

Yea. We need to take it easy on each other. Consider a person’s frame of mind when they type. A cut each other a bunch of slack

This ^^^ and thank you for mentioning it

[MTT]

Taking it all in.
After few months of dealing with an unfair world I decided to freerun for a couple days. I’m ready to re engage

What a world.
I will sleep like a baby tonight. knowing that drinking and my future do not fit in the same sentence

It is what it is

[~mikey b]

Marijuana use is not sober.


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nope

I don’t give a shit if I’m sober. I give a shit that I don’t drink. Weed doesn’t really “help” me not drink per se, but I don’t think it hurts me either. I certainly don’t smoke near as much as I did when I was drinking too much. Weed doesn’t make me want to drink, though. Depression, anxiety, loneliness, isolation? Those make me want to drink. And drinking makes those worse.

So don’t drink muthafuckers.

[RootSkier]

Taking it all in.
After few months of dealing with an unfair world I decided to freerun for a couple days. I’m ready to re engage

What a world.
I will sleep like a baby tonight. knowing that drinking and my future do not fit in the same sentence

It is what it is

I have given you plenty of shit over the years but I wish you the absolute best.

You can do it. We are rooting for you.

[caulfield]

Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced, and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization https://g.co/kgs/PQVdJr

I liked this, an objective historical take on alcohol. Basically everything humans have built and done is, in part, bc of drinking.

I've had my share and stoked to have put it down. Was a long time coming for me. Life is clear, peaceful and serene.

I read that book too--I think I got the rec from an atlantic article someone posted in this thread. I'm glad I read it but I wouldn't give it to someone early in recovery. 80% of the book is about why alcohol is helpful, seems too easy to use it for justifying unhealthy behavior. "Science says..."

Appreciate all of you and your various journeys, thanks for sharing.

[MTT]

Fuck. Drank too much coffee and let too much of the world in my head

2am lights are out except the phone in my hand

Don’t you just hate it when you can’t sleep!

Meeting at 7am. Got to be on my game

Couple of stuff drinks would put me down

No longer an option

[buttahflake]

Atta boy, MTT. Give kitty a scritch on her head for me.

[SumJongGuy]

Stay strong MTT. That's why we call it "thirty days of a thousand nights".. It does get better, I promise.