Resort boot to replace Dalbello KR2 Pro

[Sashko]

Hi guys. What boot can you recommend to replace dalbello kr2. I'm looking for around 120-130 flex, boot will be used for freesking and off piste riding most of the time.

Narrow foot, skinny calf and low volume ankle and heel. Average instep. And boot should be available in 24.X size. I'm 178cm and 65kg.
My crossover boot is Hawx Ultra XTD 130

My skis are:
1 Volkl revolt 104 + salomon shift
2 Salomon qst 118 + salomon shift
3 Armada arv 96 + tyrolia attack 13
4 Fischer nightsticks + tyrolia attack 13

[Merlyn]

Narrow foot, skinny calf and low volume ankle and heel. Average instep. And boot should be available in 24.X size. I'm 178cm and 65kg.

I’m your twin. I used to use a KR2 Pro in a 24.5. The fit was great but something never felt quite right when I skied them. Flex, forward lean, ramp angle - dunno.

Now using a Tecnica Mach 1 130 LV which have been great. No modifications except adding the spoiler to add some volume to the calf area and increase forward lean.

Also, I’ve tried on the Hawx XTD and they’re a pretty good fit for me.

[mntlion]

if you like the fit/fell of the dalbello then stick with it? or a Lupo and you can use tech or alpine bindings?

but important point:

3 vs 2 part boots will always feel different (might be what Meryln felt?)

If you are OK with a 2 prt boot, then lots of options for mid to low volume, and mid to high flex

most are made in a 24, shops might not carry them, but CAN order.

http://nordicaskioutlet.com/product....duct=*05155201

[axebiker]

I'm with mntlion - why fix it if it ain't broke? I've been in a KR series of some sort for about 12 years. Every time I try something else, I just end up disappointed, and buy another pair of KR's or Lupo's. They work for me, and I haven't found anything better in fit or to work with the way I ski.

[Sashko]

if you like the fit/fell of the dalbello then stick with it? or a Lupo and you can use tech or alpine bindings?

but important point:

3 vs 2 part boots will always feel different (might be what Meryln felt?)

If you are OK with a 2 prt boot, then lots of options for mid to low volume, and mid to high flex

most are made in a 24, shops might not carry them, but CAN order.

http://nordicaskioutlet.com/product....duct=*05155201

I just want to try something new - I’m bored to ski dalbello for last 5 years. And I’m fine with overlap boots)

Thanks for this sexy Dobermanns)

[volklpowdermaniac]

Full Tilt.

I was a long time krypton pro guy, same exact type of fit as you, narrow feet, skinny ankles. The full tilt has become my new dream, on my third pair, love volume, not a lot of excess material that makes other boots I’ve tried ski vague, adjustable forward lean, tons of flex options (eager to try new 12 tongue, but 10 has been fine for me for years). Yea it’s not much different then what you have, but for low volume/skinny folks, it’s a great direction for that type of boot.

Oh and stock with intuition.

Try first chair 10 if you can find one, or new 120 and 130 and swap the liner if you want the wrap style (not sure what in the fuck they were thinking going back to a tongue style for 2021, but whatever)

[burrito]

I'll 2nd the Full Tilt comment (I have very similar feet) with an important caveat - the Original and Soul shells (First Chair, Classic, Drop Kick) are very different from the Evolution shell (Ascendant, Descendant, B&E Pro.) Different fit. Drastically different shell height. I've only ever ridden the Original shell and hated the Evolution any time I've tried it on. It's really wide, and the lowwwwww cuff height completely changes the feel of the boot IMO.

That said I was in Kryptons before my Full Tilts, I'm in Lupo 130Cs now, and the Lupos feel great. They have different last widths across the line too, though, so for a narrow foot I'd stick with the Factory, 130C, or the Pro HD and avoid the entire AX series which are much wider.

[volklpowdermaniac]

I'll 2nd the Full Tilt comment (I have very similar feet) with an important caveat - the Original and Soul shells (First Chair, Classic, Drop Kick) are very different from the Evolution shell (Ascendant, Descendant, B&E Pro.) Different fit. Drastically different shell height. I've only ever ridden the Original shell and hated the Evolution any time I've tried it on. It's really wide, and the lowwwwww cuff height completely changes the feel of the boot IMO.

That said I was in Kryptons before my Full Tilts, I'm in Lupo 130Cs now, and the Lupos feel great. They have different last widths across the line too, though, so for a narrow foot I'd stick with the Factory, 130C, or the Pro HD and avoid the entire AX series which are much wider.

Good point on the evolution shells. F that noise.

[SkierPanier]

What you guys can say about the new Tecnica Mach 1 MV 2021? I saw the video review on youtube and they have this T-drive plate for more calf support. Anyone using this already?

[margotron]

Dalbello KR2

[Sashko]

Thanx everyone.

Full Tilt.

I owned Tom Wallish model 7 years ago and I have bad impressions. First of all, I didn’t like their buckle system. Every time I closed a buckle, I thought - I would break it. By the end of a day there was a lot of ice inside of the buckles and they were hard to open and loosen. Like really hard. Also it’s the only boot that fell apart during skiing — I landed big jump without inside cuff plate and forward lean insert on one of my boot. Ski day was ruined, I could find the parts by that day. And I decided that was the time to sell those boots.

[onenerdykid]

We made the Hawx Ultra and Hawx Ultra XTD boots with the same fit and geometry for this very purpose. So, if you like your Ultra XTD and you want a resort boot with the same fit, then you should add the Hawx Ultra 130 S to your list of boots to try on.

-full PU construction
-heat moldable shell & cuff
-new Mimic liner has a completely moldable ankle/heel area, moldable plastic tongue, and moldable plastic cuff
-adjustable forward lean (13°-15°-17°) + additional liner spoiler
-cantable grip pads (ships with ISO 5355 pads, GripWalk available aftermarket)

[kootenayskier]

I'll 2nd the Full Tilt comment (I have very similar feet) with an important caveat - the Original and Soul shells (First Chair, Classic, Drop Kick) are very different from the Evolution shell (Ascendant, Descendant, B&E Pro.) Different fit. Drastically different shell height. I've only ever ridden the Original shell and hated the Evolution any time I've tried it on. It's really wide, and the lowwwwww cuff height completely changes the feel of the boot IMO.

That said I was in Kryptons before my Full Tilts, I'm in Lupo 130Cs now, and the Lupos feel great. They have different last widths across the line too, though, so for a narrow foot I'd stick with the Factory, 130C, or the Pro HD and avoid the entire AX series which are much wider.

Note that the Full Tilt Original and Full Tilt Soul are also substantially different from each other, with the Original being the lowest volume fit (especially in the instep) and with slightly more forward lean. The advantage of this cabrio design (compared to overlap) is the particular quality of forward flex and rebound you get from the tongue, which depending on your technique may be a revelation, or completely wasted. Adding a walk mode, more convenient buckles, and most (but for Intuition Wrap liners which seem a perfect match) other perversions from the original Raichle design might help sales, but are eschewed by true aficionados, who are focus on the quality of the fit and flex.

[volklpowdermaniac]

Note that the Full Tilt Original and Full Tilt Soul are also substantially different from each other, with the Original being the lowest volume fit (especially in the instep) and with slightly more forward lean. The advantage of this cabrio design (compared to overlap) is the particular quality of forward flex and rebound you get from the tongue, which depending on your technique may be a revelation, or completely wasted. Adding a walk mode, more convenient buckles, and most (but for Intuition Wrap liners which seem a perfect match) other perversions from the original Raichle design might help sales, but are eschewed by true aficionados, who are focus on the quality of the fit and flex.

Think you may be confusing some stuff, the soul shell is just the classic with a wider toe box...I think. I went from FTO to FTS (Konflict to to camo Seth) and felt almost zero difference. Sure you’re nothing thinking of evolution she’ll or the Ascendeng/Descendenf stuff?

[volklpowdermaniac]

Thanx everyone.


I owned Tom Wallish model 7 years ago and I have bad impressions. First of all, I didn’t like their buckle system. Every time I closed a buckle, I thought - I would break it. By the end of a day there was a lot of ice inside of the buckles and they were hard to open and loosen. Like really hard. Also it’s the only boot that fell apart during skiing — I landed big jump without inside cuff plate and forward lean insert on one of my boot. Ski day was ruined, I could find the parts by that day. And I decided that was the time to sell those boots.

Yeah, give it another shot, especially the higher end stuff. Now we have rubber souls, pro wrap liners and importantly Metal buckles. The first chair series from last couple years or this year won’t dissapoint. That is, IF you want another cabrio.

[Sashko]

We made the Hawx Ultra and Hawx Ultra XTD boots with the same fit and geometry for this very purpose. So, if you like your Ultra XTD and you want a resort boot with the same fit, then you should add the Hawx Ultra 130 S to your list of boots to try on.

-full PU construction
-heat moldable shell & cuff
-new Mimic liner has a completely moldable ankle/heel area, moldable plastic tongue, and moldable plastic cuff
-adjustable forward lean (13°-15°-17°) + additional liner spoiler
-cantable grip pads (ships with ISO 5355 pads, GripWalk available aftermarket)

I’m afraid that Hawx Ultra is too light for constant resort usage - it’s marginally heavier than my Ultra XTD. I like when boot provides good suspension on hard resort snow - something that I miss when skiing in my XTD boots on resort. I’m afraid that regular Hawx Ultra is closer to XTD than to Krypton in terms of suspension. And I’m more interested in Redster Club Sport 110 or 130 because of aforementioned issue. May be I’m wrong.

But to be honest I thought about Ultras. As I understand if Hawx Ultra XTD fits me good right of the box - it would be the same case with regular non-touring Ultra? And I could skip entire boot fitting process with these boots, which isn’t a case with Redster Club Sport.

[counterfeitfake]

You're BORED with a boot that works? WTF.

[Sashko]

You're BORED with a boot that works? WTF.

I'm not perfect, sorry.

[burrito]

I'm not perfect, sorry.

I know the feeling well. You're just out there thinking, "I like this boot, and I'd be happy to use it again...but what if there's something better? Why not find out?" I get it.

[iriponsnow]

Lupo HD Pro

[onenerdykid]

I’m afraid that Hawx Ultra is too light for constant resort usage - it’s marginally heavier than my Ultra XTD. I like when boot provides good suspension on hard resort snow - something that I miss when skiing in my XTD boots on resort. I’m afraid that regular Hawx Ultra is closer to XTD than to Krypton in terms of suspension. And I’m more interested in Redster Club Sport 110 or 130 because of aforementioned issue. May be I’m wrong.

But to be honest I thought about Ultras. As I understand if Hawx Ultra XTD fits me good right of the box - it would be the same case with regular non-touring Ultra? And I could skip entire boot fitting process with these boots, which isn’t a case with Redster Club Sport.

Your Ultra XTD 130 is a Grilamid boot and that's where a lot of its weight savings & springy feel come from. A normal Ultra 130 has a heavier shell & cuff and uses PU so it will be more damp, but nothing will be as damp and freight trainey as a Club Sport 130. That boot will blow any heavy "all mountain" boot out of the water in terms of damping, suspension, and plow factor.

Going from Ultra XTD to Ultra will be a walk in the park in terms of fitting it to you. The Club Sport will need a grind and punch but nothing drastic. My 27.5cm foot can ski a 26.5 Ultra with zero boot work but I need to grind the navicular a bit in my CS 130 then I'm good.

[Sashko]

Your Ultra XTD 130 is a Grilamid boot and that's where a lot of its weight savings & springy feel come from. A normal Ultra 130 has a heavier shell & cuff and uses PU so it will be more damp, but nothing will be as damp and freight trainey as a Club Sport 130. That boot will blow any heavy "all mountain" boot out of the water in terms of damping, suspension, and plow factor.

Going from Ultra XTD to Ultra will be a walk in the park in terms of fitting it to you. The Club Sport will need a grind and punch but nothing drastic. My 27.5cm foot can ski a 26.5 Ultra with zero boot work but I need to grind the navicular a bit in my CS 130 then I'm good.

Redster CS 110 has following description on atomic's site - Lower sizes also come with a low cuff height. Is cuff height on CS 110 normal or low for 24.X size?
Also can I make CS130 softer/CS110 harder with simple modification? By simple modification I mean unscrew/add bolt to change flex, like on Head Raptor RS 140 for example

[kootenayskier]

Think you may be confusing some stuff, the soul shell is just the classic with a wider toe box...I think. I went from FTO to FTS (Konflict to to camo Seth) and felt almost zero difference. Sure you’re nothing thinking of evolution she’ll or the Ascendeng/Descendenf stuff?

Thread drift, but I always enjoy going down the Raichle /Fulltilt rabbit hole. Although it appeared to be the same, the Konflict didn’t necessarily use the original (another Sven Coomer masterpiece) Raichle molds. I’ve skied in the exact same (actually 8 successive) 318mm Raichle/Kneissel/Fulltilt shells for 36 seasons. Years back (~2013) I bought a pair of used Konflicts in my size, thinking they were the same (Fulltilt certainly gave that impression in their marketing), but the fit was instantly and noticeably more voluminous , and it wasn’t just the toe box. Looking closely, the subtle differences in the molding details were obvious. I queried this with Fulltilt, and was told that (at that time) only the Classic and Dropkick models used the original molds. Every time I’m due for a replacement, I have to check with Fulltilt, as they play fast and loose with molds and models. My current lowers (purchased directly from Fulltilt) are for some reason branded as B&Es, but all I care about is that they’re from the original molds.

[volklpowdermaniac]

Thread drift, but I always enjoy going down the Raichle /Fulltilt rabbit hole. Although it appeared to be the same, the Konflict didn’t necessarily use the original (another Sven Coomer masterpiece) Raichle molds. I’ve skied in the exact same (actually 8 successive) 318mm Raichle/Kneissel/Fulltilt shells for 36 seasons. Years back (~2013) I bought a pair of used Konflicts in my size, thinking they were the same (Fulltilt certainly gave that impression in their marketing), but the fit was instantly and noticeably more voluminous , and it wasn’t just the toe box. Looking closely, the subtle differences in the molding details were obvious. I queried this with Fulltilt, and was told that (at that time) only the Classic and Dropkick models used the original molds. Every time I’m due for a replacement, I have to check with Fulltilt, as they play fast and loose with molds and models. My current lowers (purchased directly from Fulltilt) are for some reason branded as B&Es, but all I care about is that they’re from the original molds.

Weird! But interesting for sure. I just listened to the podcast on blister with the guy from full tilt who’s been with them for a bit and seems well versed in the history, have some different impressions. But good to know!

[onenerdykid]

Redster CS 110 has following description on atomic's site - Lower sizes also come with a low cuff height. Is cuff height on CS 110 normal or low for 24.X size?
Also can I make CS130 softer/CS110 harder with simple modification? By simple modification I mean unscrew/add bolt to change flex, like on Head Raptor RS 140 for example

The CS 110 does a bit of double duty with low cuff in the more "women's" size range (21-24) and unisex cuff in the more "men's" size range (25-29).

Both the CS 110 and CS 130 come with one bolt installed in the cuff. To soften either boot, it would involved softening the lower shell, which for a competent boot-fitter is very easy to do.