Pow ski question

[Shorty_J]

You should pick up the Head Carlos Shorty J posted in altacoup's for sale thread.
Best bigger dude 125(146-125-135) uf ski out there(as far as versatility,imo). No pintail. No tip taper, just a long straight forbody and long mellow tip rocker. Layem over and you can engage the full edge. Slight tail rocker( really just and upturned tail) that is way easy to release but has plenty of backbone. GOATS!

Looks like the carlos aren't up anymore but I saw these today...

Head Turbine 125 - 191 cm,
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-ski/calgary/...nt=app_android

Price: $ 350

That's canadian dollars and looks like it includes pivots. I don't know anything about this ski, FWIW.

I have a box and can try to arrange to get them to someone if needed.

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[tuco]

Looks like the carlos aren't up anymore but I saw these today...

Head Turbine 125 - 191 cm,
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-ski/calgary/...nt=app_android

Price: $ 350

That's canadian dollars and looks like it includes pivots. I don't know anything about this ski, FWIW.

I have a box and can try to arrange to get them to someone if needed.

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Not the same. Turbine has tapered tips

[Self Jupiter]

Shiros semi-replaced the BMX 115 as my grab if in doubt ski. They have been my go to pow ski in the 193 and 203 length for almost 5 years, and are the tried and proven. They are damp and stable, but lack any pop, which is fine because they are predictable, but sort of boring. I also don’t really like how wide the tips are. My perfect pow ski would be to keep the flex of the Shiro, keep the rocker profile, and move the widest part of the tip back 3-4 inches. I’m hoping the stiffened up ARV JJs are what I described, but I don’t think the tails of the JJs will be what the Shiros tails are.




What do you guys suggest checking out?


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193 Moment Chipotle Banana? My 186 CBs have a more flat profile and they have better rebound out of the turn and grip on hard stuff than similar offerings from other companies that I’ve tried out (renegades+Hojis+devs, Volkl ones which I’d recommend if they were longer than 186, etc).

193 EHP, with flat camber has more rebound (duh) and feels like more of a big mountain ski, total rocketships. 186 EHP would likely feel too short for you IMO. The 186 shape in a slightly longer length would be a really cool ski

[XXX-er]

YMMV but i think all you need is a fat and a superfat,

quit looking for whatever you havent found

maybe add a Mono board ?

[skibrd]

Out of curiosity, how many unhinged, insulting PM's have you gotten from ON3P fanbois after posting this? That crew gets riled up so easily if you mention that they make mediocre skis.

This one, none yet... but the hate was STRONG a few years back when I first public ally stated I didn’t like how ON3Ps feel on hard pack, even to the point where the owner of ON3P chimed in.


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[skibrd]

Pow skis just boils down to what shape you want at mount point and how you want to drive the skis, or if you want a pow specific shape or a wider am ski that does well in deeper snow (aka difference between say Noctas and Animas).

BG/C&Ds are great if you ski from a centered stance and want to be able to shut down speed effortlessly. BGs crushes variable, while C&Ds slay pow with aplomb. Both are super loose and a pure joy to ski in all forms of soft snow. Neither are good options if you like to drive through your tips aggressively - the tails will wash out. I guess the same goes for SuperGoats, in spite of the tails having slightly less splay, them being slightly wider and stiffer. Dynastar M-Free 118s seems like a ski that kinda bridges the gap between BGs and C&Ds a bit while loosing a bit of performance in variable, but also does better on harder surfaces.

Revolt121s are super interesting, especially mounted two centimeters behind recommended for us more directional peeps. Their flex pattern of stiffer front part and softer mid/aft part together with deep rocker lines and tons of splay should make them a lot more versatile than their -3 mount point suggests, at least for riders who prefer to ski from a bit more centered stance, while still slaying pow with aplomb (in deep snow they will probably ski more or less like a reverse camber ski). I will probably pick up a pair.

I am guessing that 190 Wildcats and 194 Animas are somewhat similar - playful skis that also chargers well. I would perhaps opt for the Wildcat of the two due to their slightly narrower shovels, longer sidecut radius and proven design. The BCs are too expensive for their construction too imho, but oh well marketing eh. Rustler11s should be a tad bit more directional than either, but still fairly loose and easy to pivot. They are not terribly heavy no, but skis surprisingly well across a lof of conditions - I really, really like them - though I have not tried the big boy size.

For Noctas - the general consensus is to go up in length. I have not tried them, but lots of folks seem to enjoy them for playing around in pow. Def not the ski to get if you want to rage through variable though - though they probably do that tolerably well for their weight/shape.

Last but not least, have you considered DPS Koala119s in 190? They ski somewhat like a more centered BG, but have more support in the tails. They are super loose and easy to ski in soft snow, they crush variable and I think they will be strong on edge for heavier / stronger riders on harder snow. You can def get on the shovels, at least more so than BGs. I really liked my pair of 184s, but sold them since I figured their overall stiffness would make them more of a chore in anything but soft for me being a smaller dude at 175cm/65kg w/o gear. I am not positive that that was the right call, but too late now Yeah, they are DPSs, but still - they rip.

Thanks for the thoughts on the BG, and C&D compared to the Proto/M Free 118. I’ve been told my skiing style is a bit of a combination of old school -9cm mounts where you drive a ski hard, and the more modern -2 mounts where you are more upright, so finding a good balance is key.

The Koala is interesting and I get they sent a traditional DPS dentist ski, but my slightly bias against Doctor Performance Skis will probably keep me off them. Maybe I need to get over myself there.

I’ve read good and bad things about the older Head pow skis. The fat Kore (117?) seems interesting, just a bit short and light for how big I am. Not saying I’d break it, but that it wouldn’t be as stable as I’d like.

The Rustler 11 just seems like more of an every day ski then a pow ski for me, and that spot is currently filled by the Rossi Black Ops Sender Squad. If the BOSS (just realized that was the acronym) doesn’t work out I’ll give the R11 another shot. I really do like the R9s and have a pair to R10s to try this year.

I thought for a second about the Candide 4.0 and 5.0, but again I’d have to mount them back from the suggested line, and I can’t find enough info on them. They seem interesting.

I think it’s a coin flip between then Nocta and the Revolt 121 at this point. All the Moment options seem interesting, but like Praxis and ON3P I just haven’t gotten along with them in the past. I tend to like Austrian, German, or French skis. Both the Nocta and the 121 seem to check most of the boxes for what I’m looking for, and I don’t mind mounting them at -6 from center then on the recommended line. It will probably come down to price, which means the Nocta will probably win with how cheap they are on Telemark Pyrenees currently.


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[beeeom]

What do you guys suggest checking out?

Get a billy goat or super goat, or maybe a "soft" flex super goat

[skibrd]

Get a billy goat or super goat, or maybe a "soft" flex super goat

Why? I think all three of those options were covered previously


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I think some of you guys could use a therapist more than another pow ski, talk about neurotic.


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[skibrd]

I think some of you guys could use a therapist more than another pow ski, talk about neurotic.


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Or we are just really really bored 🤷♂️


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[gregL]

I think it’s a coin flip between then Nocta and the Revolt 121 at this point.

My two favorites . . . will be trying a Season Eqpt Forma this year, but it doesn't come long enough for you.

[old goat]

Who here thinks that when all is said and done skibird will have a 16 ski quiver, not a smaller one?

[skibrd]

My two favorites . . . will be trying a Season Eqpt Forma this year, but it doesn't come long enough for you.

What did you think of this years Nordica 115 Free? A buddy reminded me I really liked it the two days I got on it in January, but it did snow 30 inches those two days and we had tram lap refills.


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[rudy]

15 pairs? Do what you want. It seems like a lot of ya'll enjoy the equipment quest. Its like just an opinion man but maybe consider a different quest. Simplify the quiver and just resist the shoulda woulda coulda about your chosen equipment for a given day.

Why? Because you might find it more fun. You get to talk about chicks and parties and farts and make fun of people skiing under the lift instead of mount points and lense choices and next years gear.

I mean how do you even get out of the house in the morning? The decision matrix must be brutal. You about need a Cray Supercomputer to figure out what socks to wear. And then what happens when the inputs change?

I mean if the pick your 22F ambient 4" new 10% density ski Tram Laps with Bobby set up but on the way to the hill Bobby flakes and Hottie Hanna calls and wants to go ski Granite but the sun comes out, its 27F the wind filled it in to 8" of cream cheese, what do you do?

Not sure how this got passed up but it's pure GOLD!!!

[detrusor]

Love love love my supergoats in the original “1” flex. Great pie ski and destroy the crud. Would not say they rail the groomed. Ski it ok but not a carving ski


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[gregL]

What did you think of this years Nordica 115 Free? A buddy reminded me I really liked it the two days I got on it in January, but it did snow 30 inches those two days and we had tram lap refills.


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Haven't skied it, the widest Nordica I've been on is the 110.

[XavierD]

121 Revolt in a 19whatever is up there in my list. Like Greg I'm gonna give the Season Forma a try this year for the exact same reason he will....

192 Rustler 11 deserves another look from you IMO. I have advocated to various people at K2 for a MB116 with the 108Ti construction, and visversa, but its not here yet.

Personally I think the DeclivityX and Moment WildCat are worth a look even if others disagree. I find the WC's fix the hard snow issues of the Billy Goat (FWIW, I'm probably #2 in the world when it comes to championing the BG) I love the ski but criticism of its hard snow performance is fair, I just don't need it to be good there.

All that said, I think the Koala is the ski you want. but try before you buy.

[skibrd]

15 pairs? Do what you want. It seems like a lot of ya'll enjoy the equipment quest. Its like just an opinion man but maybe consider a different quest. Simplify the quiver and just resist the shoulda woulda coulda about your chosen equipment for a given day.

Why? Because you might find it more fun. You get to talk about chicks and parties and farts and make fun of people skiing under the lift instead of mount points and lense choices and next years gear.

I mean how do you even get out of the house in the morning? The decision matrix must be brutal. You about need a Cray Supercomputer to figure out what socks to wear. And then what happens when the inputs change?

I mean if the pick your 22F ambient 4" new 10% density ski Tram Laps with Bobby set up but on the way to the hill Bobby flakes and Hottie Hanna calls and wants to go ski Granite but the sun comes out, its 27F the wind filled it in to 8" of cream cheese, what do you do?

Fucking send it is what you do!

But on a serious note, I’m over the whole debate on what to bring when, hence trying to find one Pow ski that works pretty good for everything. More goofing off less gear nerdery

And Bob doesn’t bail on Granite Laps and always lets me bring Hottie Hanna along, best wing man.


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[skibrd]

121 Revolt in a 19whatever is up there in my list. Like Greg I'm gonna give the Season Forma a try this year for the exact same reason he will....

192 Rustler 11 deserves another look from you IMO. I have advocated to various people at K2 for a MB116 with the 108Ti construction, and visversa, but its not here yet.

Personally I think the DeclivityX and Moment WildCat are worth a look even if others disagree. I find the WC's fix the hard snow issues of the Billy Goat (FWIW, I'm probably #2 in the world when it comes to championing the BG) I love the ski but criticism of its hard snow performance is fair, I just don't need it to be good there.

All that said, I think the Koala is the ski you want. but try before you buy.

All good ideas, that’s XD.

Season Forma, if it appears as a 19X will be high on my list. Until then I’ll take your guys word for it.

If the Black Ops Sender Squad doesn’t work, then I’ll go down the R11 road again, but they seem too similar.

I may have done the same thing to a buddy K2. The Mb116c with the 108ti build would be perfect. I also suggested doing the 108 but with the MB116c build, that to me would be a perfect pow touring ski, or just make the women’s 106c in 192...

I’ll probably end up in Tahoe this winter for a few days, so I’ll try to get a WC and Chipotle Banana to demo, maybe also the Commander 118. We will see.

DecalivityX seems in theory like it will work, same with the Koala. I can demo the DecalivityX, I’ll have to see about the Koala.


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[mr_pretzel]

Buy my koalas too

[beeeom]

Why? I think all three of those options were covered previously


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Because they slay the gnar bro!

But seriously, they meet your exact size criteria, are incredible in all conditions but ice (but you've got 15 skis so you're not gonna use them on ice), you'll get mad props on internet forums, and they are harbingers of death and destruction to all things covered in snow. They float, slash, turn on a dime, stomp, & under glow in the lift line.

[skibrd]

Because they slay the gnar bro!

But seriously, they meet your exact size criteria, are incredible in all conditions but ice (but you've got 15 skis so you're not gonna use them on ice), you'll get mad props on internet forums, and they are harbingers of death and destruction to all things covered in snow. They float, slash, turn on a dime, stomp, & under glow in the lift line.

[emoji52][emoji107]

Haha, but seriously, I haven’t really meshed with ON3Ps in the past. If I can find a pair to take for a spin on a soft day I’ll check them out.


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[Vitamin I]

...I liked the Quixote for a bit but the camber profile kept changing and made it frustrating to ski. One day my pair would have camber, two days later all rocker, made them too inconsistent...

What? Are you saying the Quixote's camber can both increase and decrease over time? Like it increases some days, yet decreases on other days??? Like its camber varies with temperature? Or do you just keep permanently bending it towards less and less camber with every big impact? Or what?

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[east bear fr]

Maybe a bit too short and light for you, but have you tried the Kore 117? Could check some boxes.

[skibrd]

Maybe a bit too short and light for you, but have you tried the Kore 117? Could check some boxes.

It’s a thought. I haven’t skied it yet, but am getting on the kore 105 this fall. If I like it I’ll look into the 117.


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