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[The SnowShow]

Loveland just announced no indoor eating of any kind. Just bathrooms.

[Name Redacted]

Loveland just announced no indoor eating of any kind. Just bathrooms.

They are code red just like Summit, so none of that allowed. But start time got pushed back to Sunday at 5pm. At least the state mandate did.

[Jax]

Loveland just announced no indoor eating of any kind. Just bathrooms.

For personal reasons I do, however, approve of this.

[LongShortLong]

JONGSLAUGHTER to the white courtesy phone. Like a buncha m-series in here lately. C'mon I know the snow is thin, and liftserved is looking iffy, but keep it together, eh? Last few pages all shitposts. This is the main skiing forum

Take the shit to another thread
Take Covid shit to the PR thread "rat flu" or something. Link/refer to it if needed.
Take the polyass to polyass, or don't post that shit

Opening, closing, post it here. Skiing pics, ok here too. County alert levels and health orders affecting ski resorts, maybe ok too. All the other shit - NOT OK!

Complaining about Bunny and mods - PR threads for that too

[2FUNKY]

((((Golf clap))))

[brutah]

JONGSLAUGHTER to the white courtesy phone. Like a buncha m-series in here lately. C'mon I know the snow is thin, and liftserved is looking iffy, but keep it together, eh? Last few pages all shitposts. This is the main skiing forum

Take the shit to another thread
Take Covid shit to the PR thread "rat flu" or something. Link/refer to it if needed.
Take the polyass to polyass, or don't post that shit

Opening, closing, post it here. Skiing pics, ok here too. County alert levels and health orders affecting ski resorts, maybe ok too. All the other shit - NOT OK!

Complaining about Bunny and mods - PR threads for that too

I have an idea if you want to stick your head in the sand then do it.

Don't want to read this thread then don't.

This thread should be in the main skiing forum as it's main premise is how covid will effect this ski season and the different approaches ski resorts and states are taking to mitigate those dangers.

Sorry not sorry if you are so easily offended by reality.

[muted]

Loveland just announced no indoor eating of any kind. Just bathrooms.

Well, I wouldn't want to eat in a bathroom but I guess this is the #newnormal.

[powdork]

I'm all for being safe the way I have been all summer. I'm just trying to say at least let them continue running, even at the 25% where we are today. The people going out to eat are the least bit concerned about the virus or know and understand the risks. Let them spend their money and keep the local economy somewhat more afloat and keep good people employed.

Maybe you didn't notice, but what we did this summer wasn't as safe as we thought.

[Jax]

Maybe you didn't notice, but what we did this summer wasn't as safe as we thought.

Look, I'm a hippy, totally to the left. I just think there's a certain risk that many employees are willing to take to keep income flowing while staying safe and sanitary as can be. A walking dichotomy, if you will. I still think the restaurants should be allowed to be open at a meager 25%. It's a compromise and one that will not affect those who chose to stay at home, but will absolutely be a lifeline to those establishments that are already on the brink.

If they're not going to shut down resorts or short term rentals, there is already an inherent risk built in to those decisions. It makes no sense to close restaurants when we are still inviting possibly infected tourists to town anyway. Having waited tables in a resort town in my past gives me a point of view that many of you do not understand just based on experience alone. I am not the only one who now thinks this way, just read some of the comments in the rags summit daily or vail daily, etc about the restaurants closing again. Many of these folks aren't the usual conspiracy nutters, but reasonable folks that are seeing their businesses being squashed. If you're gonna close the restaurants in the name of safety, then close the STRs, hotels and the ski resorts as well. Just shut it all down.

I'm also someone who is directly affected by suicide. Talk about handing more low morale to those locals who have scratched and clawed their way through summer and fall, only to be cut off less than two weeks before Thanksgiving and likely leading up to the other holidays. Unemployment benefits are likely tapped out for most FOH staff at this point. There is literally no more lifeline for them. Nobody talks about that. And doing take-out only gives money to owners and kitchen staff, it doesn't put cash directly in the pockets of servers in most cases.

It's been my experience that most, though certainly not all, servers, bartenders, and restaurant owners in resort towns are pretty passionate about skiing or riding, which is why they've chosen that career path in the first place, be it temporary or forever. It gives them the accessibility they need to be on the hill to fulfill their ski bum lifestyle as time permits. I'm not one to judge.

This post went a lot deeper than I wanted to try to explain my reasoning and reassure others that I'm not a nutter. But my opinion is reasonable and hopefully provides more context. There are many folk in the restaurant industry (and retail as well), who have been willing to work and taking that risk all summer and fall to serve others and be the grease in the cogs that keep small businesses afloat. Why we are letting them suffer while bowing down to the resorts and lodging is asinine.

This post is entirely related to skiing during covid in a resort town with a shutdown looming so ShortDong- you can suck it.

[ASmileyFace]

There was a MIT professor who spoke at the latest town of Alta council. He flatly stated that there’s no way to safely operate a restaurant during the winter season, even with reduced capacity. The issue is the amount of time people are inside with their mask off. Even with hvac systems and hepa filters he claimed there’s no way to cycle the air enough to prevent cases. Despite knowing this the ski resorts in LCC will still open their restaurants. And despite what many think the revenue stream from food and beverage is a very very small percentage of their revenue. From what I’ve heard they think it’s their duty to give people a place to warm up and eat. Which is incredibly foolish as it risk their shutting down their main revenue stream, skiing.


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As someone who has worked in one these places; the idea of Alf's, Watson, or Albion (or any major ski area on-mountain indoor dining hall) being able to run without incident seems ludicrous. Those buildings were already infested cesspools during normal years, let alone now. I sincerely hope that the people working in those places make it through the season without catching this thing or being the reason for a major ski hill shut down.

To anyone working at the resorts this season, best of luck. I really hope you are able to pull off what seems impossible to me right now.

[skaredshtles]

<snip> If you're gonna close the restaurants in the name of safety, then close the STRs, hotels and the ski resorts as well. Just shut it all down.

This.

It won't happen. But it should.

[LongShortLong]

This post is entirely related to skiing during covid in a resort town with a shutdown looming so ShortDong- you can suck it.

I agree, your post is fine. All posts on this page are fine (my page starts at #376). The last few pages had a bit too much Trump whining, mask stupidity, etc, and those important issues seem better discussed / analyzed / trolled in other threads.

Thanks for bringing honest discussion.

[Lone Star]

As someone who has worked in one these places; the idea of Alf's, Watson, or Albion (or well any major ski area on mountain indoor dining hall) being able to run without incident seems ludicrous. Those buildings were already infested cesspools during normal years, let alone now. I sincerely hope that the people working in those places make it through the season without catching this thing or being the reason for a major ski hill shut down.

They are banking on the incubation period being long enough that people will have already traveled back to their home states by the time they get symptoms or test positive. Why leave money on the table?

[eldereldo]

Look, I'm a hippy, totally to the left. I just think there's a certain risk that many employees are willing to take to keep income flowing while staying safe and sanitary as can be. A walking dichotomy, if you will. I still think the restaurants should be allowed to be open at a meager 25%. It's a compromise and one that will not affect those who chose to stay at home, but will absolutely be a lifeline to those establishments that are already on the brink.

If they're not going to shut down resorts or short term rentals, there is already an inherent risk built in to those decisions. It makes no sense to close restaurants when we are still inviting possibly infected tourists to town anyway. Having waited tables in a resort town in my past gives me a point of view that many of you do not understand just based on experience alone. I am not the only one who now thinks this way, just read some of the comments in the rags summit daily or vail daily, etc about the restaurants closing again. Many of these folks aren't the usual conspiracy nutters, but reasonable folks that are seeing their businesses being squashed. If you're gonna close the restaurants in the name of safety, then close the STRs, hotels and the ski resorts as well. Just shut it all down.

I'm also someone who is directly affected by suicide. Talk about handing more low morale to those locals who have scratched and clawed their way through summer and fall, only to be cut off less than two weeks before Thanksgiving and likely leading up to the other holidays. Unemployment benefits are likely tapped out for most FOH staff at this point. There is literally no more lifeline for them. Nobody talks about that. And doing take-out only gives money to owners and kitchen staff, it doesn't put cash directly in the pockets of servers in most cases.

It's been my experience that most, though certainly not all, servers, bartenders, and restaurant owners in resort towns are pretty passionate about skiing or riding, which is why they've chosen that career path in the first place, be it temporary or forever. It gives them the accessibility they need to be on the hill to fulfill their ski bum lifestyle as time permits. I'm not one to judge.

This post went a lot deeper than I wanted to try to explain my reasoning and reassure others that I'm not a nutter. But my opinion is reasonable and hopefully provides more context. There are many folk in the restaurant industry (and retail as well), who have been willing to work and taking that risk all summer and fall to serve others and be the grease in the cogs that keep small businesses afloat. Why we are letting them suffer while bowing down to the resorts and lodging is asinine.

This post is entirely related to skiing during covid in a resort town with a shutdown looming so ShortDong- you can suck it.

If the people who are willing to take the risk of dining out then stayed away from anyone else it might not be an issue, but you are effectively grouping a set of people who aren’t especially concerned, and probably are NOT taking precautions about who else they interact with, in an environment where the transmission risk is at a higher level. Seems that is not a viable scenario if you are trying to control transmissions.

[ASmileyFace]

They are banking on the incubation period being long enough that people will have already traveled back to their home states by the time they get symptoms or test positive. Why leave money on the table?

I completely understand their intention. It would be very unusual for the ski industry to leave any money on the table, especially on food/alcohol sales.

But, my main concern is for the people who work these establishments. What is going to happen when the first major super spreader event occurs at a big indoor cafeteria style spot? The restaurant closes down and, not only do some of the employees get sick with COVID, will all of them be out of a job/housing for the rest of the season? Will the resorts actually compensate them if the whole thing shuts down again? Will a big super spreader event at a restaurant close the whole resort down?

Just so many question marks and what-ifs. I wish these ski areas would have said fuck it on food/beverage sales, make everything to-go with limited interaction, and know you've got a better chance of keeping all these poor seasonal workers employed instead of just risking their (and the customers) health for the bottom line. If we see a total shut down and end of season type event, so many friends and good people are going to be completely fucked for a long, long time.

But, after reading everything I just wrote, I'm reminded that the vast majority of the industry couldn't give a fly fuck about any of the people who work for them. It's all about that dolla dolla bill ya'll

[Jax]

If the people who are willing to take the risk of dining out then stayed away from anyone else it might not be an issue, but you are effectively grouping a set of people who aren’t especially concerned, and probably are NOT taking precautions about who else they interact with, in an environment where the transmission risk is at a higher level. Seems that is not a viable scenario if you are trying to control transmissions.

You are talking about the resort and lodging patrons. Same damned people. See my point?

[Benny Profane]

25% dining capacity makes no sense. It flies in the face of 90% of the business models of any restaraunt, pre Covid. So, in effect, the Alta and most ski town restaraunts are either closed or takeout. Are restaraunts preparing for that transition? In the Alta lodges, could be somewhat easy, since nobody has to go outside in the process. Room cleanup is a whole other story with all that waste. Are they prepared for that? But how about other ski towns? Are restaraunts prepared for outside delivery in ten degree blizzard conditions? Will the food delivery app people move in and attract a large enough work force to fill that need? In ten degree blizzard conditions?
The summer/fall lulled a lot of people into a state where they think, hey, it'll work out. I don't know about all that in January.

[steadieflow]

Look, I'm a hippy, totally to the left. I just think there's a certain risk that many employees are willing to take to keep income flowing while staying safe and sanitary as can be. A walking dichotomy, if you will. I still think the restaurants should be allowed to be open at a meager 25%. It's a compromise and one that will not affect those who chose to stay at home, but will absolutely be a lifeline to those establishments that are already on the brink.

If they're not going to shut down resorts or short term rentals, there is already an inherent risk built in to those decisions. It makes no sense to close restaurants when we are still inviting possibly infected tourists to town anyway. Having waited tables in a resort town in my past gives me a point of view that many of you do not understand just based on experience alone. I am not the only one who now thinks this way, just read some of the comments in the rags summit daily or vail daily, etc about the restaurants closing again. Many of these folks aren't the usual conspiracy nutters, but reasonable folks that are seeing their businesses being squashed. If you're gonna close the restaurants in the name of safety, then close the STRs, hotels and the ski resorts as well. Just shut it all down.

I'm also someone who is directly affected by suicide. Talk about handing more low morale to those locals who have scratched and clawed their way through summer and fall, only to be cut off less than two weeks before Thanksgiving and likely leading up to the other holidays. Unemployment benefits are likely tapped out for most FOH staff at this point. There is literally no more lifeline for them. Nobody talks about that. And doing take-out only gives money to owners and kitchen staff, it doesn't put cash directly in the pockets of servers in most cases.

It's been my experience that most, though certainly not all, servers, bartenders, and restaurant owners in resort towns are pretty passionate about skiing or riding, which is why they've chosen that career path in the first place, be it temporary or forever. It gives them the accessibility they need to be on the hill to fulfill their ski bum lifestyle as time permits. I'm not one to judge.

This post went a lot deeper than I wanted to try to explain my reasoning and reassure others that I'm not a nutter. But my opinion is reasonable and hopefully provides more context. There are many folk in the restaurant industry (and retail as well), who have been willing to work and taking that risk all summer and fall to serve others and be the grease in the cogs that keep small businesses afloat. Why we are letting them suffer while bowing down to the resorts and lodging is asinine.

This post is entirely related to skiing during covid in a resort town with a shutdown looming so ShortDong- you can suck it.

I agree and we are directly impacted by the virus. My wife is an MICU nurse and she is defeated, depressed and burnt out. It sucks.

Unfortunately with all these businesses closed and the holidays coming up I think even more people will get together and we will still see an explosion in cases. There is too much virus in the community right now.

So we will get no benefit and we are going to put so many establishments out of business. If we want to be serious about it we have to do a full shutdown and pay people to stay home if they are unable to work from home.

Doing this half way is not going to have an impact now. Would love to be wrong.

[Name Redacted]

I agree and we are directly impacted by the virus. My wife is an MICU nurse and she is defeated, depressed and burnt out. It sucks.

Unfortunately with all these businesses closed and the holidays coming up I think even more people will get together and we will still see an explosion in cases. There is too much virus in the community right now.

So we will get no benefit and we are going to put so many establishments out of business. If we want to be serious about it we have to do a full shutdown and pay people to stay home if they are unable to work from home.

Doing this half way is not going to have an impact now. Would love to be wrong.

From what I understand, right now, if you quarantine/isolate due to contact or symptoms you are paid under the Family Medical Leave Act.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dhr/FMLA

[snowaddict91]

From what I understand, right now, if you quarantine/isolate due to contact or symptoms you are paid under the Family Medical Leave Act.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dhr/FMLA

FMLA is unpaid leave/job protection. Colorado DID pass a paid FMLA on the ballot, but that won't start for several years.

Plenty of us in healthcare will be fully bent over in the coming months if we haven't been already. My employer finally instituted 40 hours of paid leave if you are sick with COVID, but my wife (who sees patients in their homes daily) gets nothing but her PTO.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Pretty sure FMLA is unpaid. I think at this point, if you are not working due to COVID unemployment is your best option. Government is in a tough spot, they want to control the spread but they have limited tools. I heard on the news yesterday that air travel is only down 10% for Thanksgiving. That gives me a pretty good idea of the sacrifices people are willing to make. I do have empathy for the waitstaff and bartenders but I'm not sure that is reason enough to keep the restaurants open.

[Name Redacted]

My bad, it was the FFCRA. Not the FMLA. Doesn't apply to all employers, but a lot.

https://ogletree.com/insights/the-fa...f-the-new-law/

[powdork]

If the people who are willing to take the risk of dining out then stayed away from anyone else it might not be an issue, but you are effectively grouping a set of people who aren’t especially concerned, and probably are NOT taking precautions about who else they interact with, in an environment where the transmission risk is at a higher level. Seems that is not a viable scenario if you are trying to control transmissions.

Are you saying we should let all the people that aren't taking it seriously go to restaurants so the service staff can make sure they don't infect anyone???

I'm not okay with that.

[MakersTeleMark]

Locally, I know of a theme house party occurring at this very moment. Ridiculous.

Also, Vail has integrated into their app restaurant reservations so you can ski without waiting.

On instagram, there are tons of stories of huge throw down DJ parties with a couple hundred people drinking and dancing without masks, from TX to SFO.

A certain generation gives no fucks about Covid, and I don't see that changing without a stay at home order. The local school district even uncancelled the big rivalry game the night before today. Also unbelievable.

https://www.vaildaily.com/sports/gam...skies-tonight/

[Snow Dog]

Are you saying we should let all the people that aren't taking it seriously go to restaurants so the service staff can make sure they don't infect anyone???

I'm not okay with that.

In BC today they pulled the trigger with province wide restrictions:
No social gatherings of any size with anyone other than your household or core bubble. For most people, their core bubble is their immediate household.
...
The order does not impact restaurants and bars. Restaurants and bars can continue to operate as long as they have a COVID-19 Safety Plan and employee protocols in place.

I've been to a few restaurants and there are plexiglass or glass panels everywhere, limited seating, traffic management and a safety plan. It's a lot more structured than a house party. After the province shut down banquet halls the weddings and other celebrations moved to people's houses and that become a significant vector for the spread of COVID.