Canadian Permanent Residency

[98brg2d]

Alberta spends far more on payroll for doctors and nurses than any other province. Hard for regular citizens to get on board with the complaints when you see the salaries across the country. Nobody wants to have salaries reduced but sometimes those are the facts of life.

[garyfromterrace]

Alberta would be a good fit for you, and as someone said get your permanent residency then move to BC. Terrace to be exact.

Calgary is fine but lots of places in BC are better. And, Terrace is the best. Stay away from Smithers at all cost. There are angry Asian men there.

[riser4]

Some smack talking about Alberta health care here. Please tell me more.

Wife and I are Physician Assistants in the states and there aren’t a lot of places where we can work outside of the US. Manitoba, New Brunswick, Ontario and Alberta will let us practice, but not the rest of the great white north. My wife is super sub specialized, but I can do orthopedics, emergency medicine or primary care. The center in Toronto would love to have her, but it is Toronto. F Toronto. We need sun and mountains. Calgary fits the bill, but you kooks speak poorly of Alberta’s health care system.

So, thanks in advance for perspective on health care in Calgary.

I am not in healthcare, so I am not in your shoes. I would happily go to any of those places, with Alberta only ahead of the GTA, but behind everywhere else. I don't ski a lot anymore. I don't MTB. Some XC skiing would be nice. I'm from VT so rolling hills are preferable over prairie flat. However I need water. Lake or ocean, don't matter. And I don't care for sun all that much. My company has an office in NB, but won't do any international transfers for American gringos.

[bennymac]

I am not in healthcare, so I am not in your shoes. I would happily go to any of those places, with Alberta only ahead of the GTA, but behind everywhere else. I don't ski a lot anymore. I don't MTB. Some XC skiing would be nice. I'm from VT so rolling hills are preferable over prairie flat. However I need water. Lake or ocean, don't matter. And I don't care for sun all that much. My company has an office in NB, but won't do any international transfers for American gringos.

Is your kid(s) in school on the other side of the border or is it all video classes from home? The border closure must be messing with lots of students in that situation

[riser4]

Is your kid(s) in school on the other side of the border or is it all video classes from home? The border closure must be messing with lots of students in that situation

Daughter goes to UNB Fredericton. We live in VT. They designated classes as either in person or remote based on the actual need to be physically present (lab classes) and then said you can only set foot on campus including live on campus if you have the former. Her classes are all remote. She was going to live on campus. She's stuck at our house doing remote classes. She's a dual citizen so she could go if she was interested in a 14 day quarantine. However she has no real reason to go there right now and no place to stay. She has heard that they are turning away US citizens with student visas.

[XXX-er]

Some smack talking about Alberta health care here. Please tell me more.

Wife and I are Physician Assistants in the states and there aren’t a lot of places where we can work outside of the US. Manitoba, New Brunswick, Ontario and Alberta will let us practice, but not the rest of the great white north. My wife is super sub specialized, but I can do orthopedics, emergency medicine or primary care. The center in Toronto would love to have her, but it is Toronto. F Toronto. We need sun and mountains. Calgary fits the bill, but you kooks speak poorly of Alberta’s health care system.

So, thanks in advance for perspective on health care in Calgary.

well the health minister in Alberta is trying to fuck them over so doctors are withdrawing services & some are leaving

In any case BC has more mountains, this comes up on my FB page every couple of days

https://www.healthmatchbc.org/?campa...SAAEgJv9PD_BwE

[XXX-er]

Alberta spends far more on payroll for doctors and nurses than any other province. Hard for regular citizens to get on board with the complaints when you see the salaries across the country. Nobody wants to have salaries reduced but sometimes those are the facts of life.

I think it goes much deeper than that, on his own or prodded by Jason Kenny Shandro is trying to break them, to fuck them in the ass,

My MD buddy who follows this kindof shit tells me the last guy to fuck with the nurses in Alberta did not have a good time of it

[XXX-er]

Alberta spends far more on payroll for doctors and nurses than any other province. Hard for regular citizens to get on board with the complaints when you see the salaries across the country. Nobody wants to have salaries reduced but sometimes those are the facts of life.

I think it goes much deeper than that, on his own or prodded by Jason Kenny Shandro is trying to break them, to fuck them in the ass,
Sure the costs are higher, in a lot of cases they have to pay for an office & staff out of that but in any case if you fuck people around and they just leave what good is that, oil workrs aree dime a dozen, a highly trained MD ... good luck ?

My MD buddy who follows this kindof shit tells me the last guy to fuck with the nurses in Alberta did not have a good time of it

[Dromond]

Some smack talking about Alberta health care here. Please tell me more.

Wife and I are Physician Assistants in the states and there aren’t a lot of places where we can work outside of the US. Manitoba, New Brunswick, Ontario and Alberta will let us practice, but not the rest of the great white north. My wife is super sub specialized, but I can do orthopedics, emergency medicine or primary care. The center in Toronto would love to have her, but it is Toronto. F Toronto. We need sun and mountains. Calgary fits the bill, but you kooks speak poorly of Alberta’s health care system.

So, thanks in advance for perspective on health care in Calgary.

This is theoretically interesting to me because my wife is a PA as well. Canada without B.C....... questionable options IMHO.

Has anyone in this thread compared pay/lifestyle for physicians or PAs in the US vs. Canada? I haven't met someone who has worked both places.

Almost certainly a moot point as living in WA is similar to western B.C. in a lot of ways, but I'm always curious....

[XXX-er]

My ski bro said he got an MD's # which he used to bill the HC system directly so no dealing with insurance companies, MD has to pay all expenses from those billings so it was better to be/ do something that uses the hospital facitlites as oposed to a GP running their own office, something he told me sitting on a chair I'm greatly simplifying of course

[98brg2d]

I think it goes much deeper than that, on his own or prodded by Jason Kenny Shandro is trying to break them, to fuck them in the ass,
Sure the costs are higher, in a lot of cases they have to pay for an office & staff out of that but in any case if you fuck people around and they just leave what good is that, oil workrs aree dime a dozen, a highly trained MD ... good luck ?

My MD buddy who follows this kindof shit tells me the last guy to fuck with the nurses in Alberta did not have a good time of it

There is definitely some stupid stuff going on but its not like these people have a hostile work environment (there are multiple layers of separation, especially when talking about GPs) like you would in a similar situation in any private industry so "trying to break them"? Hard to do without an in-person psychological component. This is really no different than my company having a difficult client. Only difference is one GP makes >50% of my company with 4.5 full time people. Two GPs in one office, the same size as my office, would have about the same revenue and expenses (we are professionals as well with professional dues across Canada, not just AB, clients that struggle to pay in under 120 days etc. etc. etc.) GPs are in essence small business owners, and you know what? Small business in Canada is hard at times. Especially when the provincial or federal government is anything other than conservative. The NDP years made it significantly more difficult and risky, thus, significantly less appealing to be a small business owner in AB. Most doctors have been shielded from the realities of being a small business owner in most respects.

Thinking doctors will leave the province also discounts the fact that many doctors would be here even if they were the lowest paid in Canada, since AB generally is a great place to live for many reasons, as is BC. For the past 6 years lots of businesses have been hurting but it is better to live here, with hard economic times than many other places even if they are in good economic times. Virtually every industry but health care has seen significant financial hardship but leaving AB would really be cutting off your nose to spite your face unless the only reason for being in AB is work.

[bennymac]

Daughter goes to UNB Fredericton. We live in VT. They designated classes as either in person or remote based on the actual need to be physically present (lab classes) and then said you can only set foot on campus including live on campus if you have the former. Her classes are all remote. She was going to live on campus. She's stuck at our house doing remote classes. She's a dual citizen so she could go if she was interested in a 14 day quarantine. However she has no real reason to go there right now and no place to stay. She has heard that they are turning away US citizens with student visas.

Gotcha. What a weird time to be a college/university student. Hope she is taking it in stride. Parents get an extra year of kids at home before they leave the nearby

[bennymac]

There is definitely some stupid stuff going on but its not like these people have a hostile work environment (

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/check-up-on-alberta-healthcare-how-healthy-is-our-medical-system

My understanding: the government signed a multi year contract with the doctors (something they do every 4-5 years that determines how much doctors get paid - and something that takes up to a year to plan and agree upon) and then a couple months later the government tore up the contract and said “nope - we are not going to honor that contract”

Then the doctors, despite being fucked over like that, offered a different contract with across the board reductions. Government said “nope”

The health minister even accosted a doctor on the front lawn of his house because that doctor said something critical about the situation on the internet. The health minister checked the spare first though.

That sounds fairly hostile to me.

Would you accept this if your company had signed a contract with the government and then they tore it up?

[XXX-er]

exactly ^^ what bennymac is sayin

but none of it matters cuz an MD is really an independent private business person ( they incoprorate and ever thing ) with a whole lot of training and so if they decide to move they are gone in a newyawk minute and its a real loss for Alberta

and so hopefully

they come west