The Official Argue About Where Upstate NY Is Thread

[Brownski]

y'all know more about the Upstates than I but I still stick to the truism," it aint upstate if you can commute into the city"

I was reminded of this last weekend when I was riding Plattekill with my buddy I worked with in Aspen in the 90s who lives in Nyack now, but grew up in Monroe. His dad was 20+ years NYPD and everyone in his neighborhood was either FDNY or NYPD. They all bought in Monroe so they could commute to those jobs.

He always said he was from New York, people would say "the city?" nah..
"Upstate? "Nah in between"
So that was ingrained into me for the 30 years we been friends

We discussed this a bit on the drive to and fro and I asked him his Upstate boundary and he said " ya know, up past Ulster County..."

Benny proposed the commuter rule early on in this discussion but I don’t buy it. I lived in Orange County from ‘76 to ‘81 and several times we awoke to find escaped dairy cows in the front yard. Seems pretty upstate to me.

[Woodsy]

Cow loose at the Woodbury Commons doesn't make it feel upstate...

[riser4]

Cow loose at the Woodbury Commons doesn't make it feel upstate...

What about if you step in cowshit?

[Brownski]

Cow loose at the Woodbury Commons doesn't make it feel upstate...

How about Goshen with an RD mailing address and a cow field on the other side of the road? Of course, it’s not a cow field now. I drove through a few years ago and the fields are all cul de sacs full of big houses now.

[heckacali]

Let me show you how wrong that is using a West Coast example:

Stockton, Manteca, Modesto and Merced are Bay Area cities because lots of people bought out there to commute to Bay Area jobs.

Nope.

[RShea]

y'all know more about the Upstates than I but I still stick to the truism," it aint upstate if you can commute into the city"

I was reminded of this last weekend when I was riding Plattekill with my buddy I worked with in Aspen in the 90s who lives in Nyack now, but grew up in Monroe. His dad was 20+ years NYPD and everyone in his neighborhood was either FDNY or NYPD. They all bought in Monroe so they could commute to those jobs.

He always said he was from New York, people would say "the city?" nah..
"Upstate? "Nah in between"
So that was ingrained into me for the 30 years we been friends

We discussed this a bit on the drive to and fro and I asked him his Upstate boundary and he said " ya know, up past Ulster County..."

That may even put a good part of Northern New Jersey, small part of PA, and Connecticut unless you specify the commuting to NYC from any of the NY counties.

[Woodsy]

Let me show you how wrong that is using a West Coast example:

Stockton, Manteca, Modesto and Merced are Bay Area cities because lots of people bought out there to commute to Bay Area jobs.

Nope.

why dont you go ahead and start a thread about "Bay Area Cities" and see if it gets too 4 digit pages....

[Woodsy]

That may even put a good part of Northern New Jersey, small part of PA, and Connecticut unless you specify the commuting to NYC from any of the NY counties.

that makes no sense, I do not live in the Upsates, noone has ever put forth that any part of PA, NJ or CT is part of UPSTATE NEW YORK

[Brownski]

that makes no sense, I do not live in the Upsates, noone has ever put forth that any part of PA, NJ or CT is part of UPSTATE NEW YORK

Yeah, some of those areas are part of the NYC metro area but not necessarily. I think the point is that there are people commuting from central Jersey, the Poconos and even further away in PA, some from areas that you would expect to be more a part of the Philly metro area rather than NYC. It’s not that upstate reaches into PA but that some people commute from insane distances so the commuter rule is undermined definitionally.

[BmillsSkier]

Let's not forget that once upon an otherwise mundane day here at the TRGs, Benny Profane declared in all seriousness that Washington D.C. was part of the NYC Metro, and then leaned into that statement in the face of any opposition.

[grskier]

Let's not forget that once upon an otherwise mundane day here at the TRGs, Benny Profane declared in all seriousness that Washington D.C. was part of the NYC Metro, and then leaned into that statement in the face of any opposition.

Sometimes I miss BS like this... but those thoughts are pretty fleeting.

[riser4]

Let's not forget that once upon an otherwise mundane day here at the TRGs, Benny Profane declared in all seriousness that Washington D.C. was part of the NYC Metro, and then leaned into that statement in the face of any opposition.

Well, he was probably confusing Northeast Megalopolis with NYC Metro Area. DC is definitely part of the former.

[m2711c]

As a worldwide local, benny doesn’t get confused. Google maps checks with him for directions.



fact.

[riser4]

As a worldwide local, benny doesn’t get confused. Google maps checks with him for directions.



factology.

Fifu

[Stu Gotz]

Last night I had to go into the city for a dinner with one of our suppliers. I was out of my element- lots of managers and executives from both companies in a restaurant so nice that I would never enter the place under any other circumstances. Just too nice, too fancy, too expensive. Anyway, I was happy to grab a seat next to my division manager who I get along with but didn’t really get to know until last night. Turns out she is in the process of fixing up a family camp in Downsville. I explained my connection to the area, chatted about Roscoe and Belleayre and Plattekill. So I eventually got around to asking where the line is and she said the Hudson River which I found funny since it totally ignores the east side of the Hudson Valley. I said I had a hard time seeing Rockland as upstate because native Rocklanders are more like Long Islanders or Jerseyites than the upstaters I grew up with. Nobody disputed that but she was like, well Bear Mountain is upstate and route 17 (future I86) is upstate so it’s there someplace. Which is more or less where me and GL put it so, you know, I was right.

LOL. Future I-86. I don't think anyone in Sullivan, Ulster or Duchess counties would consider themselves Upstate. But north of that is the Southern Tier and the Capital District. I think we are all pinpointing the same area within a few miles N/S. I always thought I was Upstate when I couldn't get NYC radio stations (which was usually a few miles past Middletown.)

[Aldo]

We need a math wiz to write an equation factoring in Stewart’s shops dispersion, utica club availability and blue tarp density - Therein lies the mystical border..

[RShea]

LOL. Future I-86. I don't think anyone in Sullivan, Ulster or Duchess counties would consider themselves Upstate. But north of that is the Southern Tier and the Capital District. I think we are all pinpointing the same area within a few miles N/S. I always thought I was Upstate when I couldn't get NYC radio stations (which was usually a few miles past Middletown.)

FM Stations, maybe but NYC AM Radio stations is again WAY too large of an area...

[gravitylover]

that makes no sense, I do not live in the Upsates, noone has ever put forth that any part of PA, NJ or CT is part of UPSTATE NEW YORK

Umm, well, sorta. Western CT (and western VT) share many aspects and could easily be wrapped into the Upstate zone. Someday riser will accept it.

[riser4]

Umm, well, sorta. Western CT (and western VT) share many aspects and could easily be wrapped into the Upstate zone. Someday riser will accept it.

That day will be called the day after never.

[BmillsSkier]

Future I-86, lol.

I always enjoyed seeing the future on the way to E’ville.

[gravitylover]

That day will be called the day after never.

Hahaha

Young Padawan must learn to accept his fate

Future I-86, lol.

I always enjoyed seeing the future on the way to E’ville.

Salamanca is the future! Or not. Jamestown maybe? Hmm, nah.

[BmillsSkier]

Hahaha

Young Padawan must learn to accept his fate



Salamanca is the future! Or not. Jamestown maybe? Hmm, nah.

Many before me saw their future at the Seneca Casino.

And then it was gone.

[Woodsy]

Umm, well, sorta. Western CT (and western VT) share many aspects and could easily be wrapped into the Upstate zone. Someday riser will accept it.

But maaaan, its called Upstate New York and y'all cant even agree about huge swaths of New York state upstate of the Northern most PA & CT border. Lets settle that before you start annexing other regions

[m2711c]

[m2711c]