What have you bought/upgraded today.

[alpinevibes]

Stem is even better in person…. Like tie dye early 90’s awesomeness.


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Checking in with a step brother, my town bike: the 90/91 Continuum, still with original SunTour XCE and obscure 700D wheel size (650B in 1990??). Stem is indeed intense

[Sandbox]

Checking in with a step brother, my town bike: the 90/91 Continuum, still with original SunTour XCE and obscure 700D wheel size (650B in 1990??). Stem is indeed intense

Solid…. Such cool looking bikes, at least I think so. Great for running around town and shit like that.


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[beaterdit]

FINALLY got my new ride built up!

Sat in the Garage since last fall till I finished the Lady's new ride. Wasn't in a hurry because I was riding it's little brother the Tilt until a month ago when I got the fork extended to 170. Been on my hardtail since then which, while cool and all, was getting old.

This one looks deadly!

[BigHerm]

Looks sick. I wanted a Canfield so bad after demoing a Revel Rail a few years back. Bottle in the front triangle is a requirement for me though...

[volklpowdermaniac]

put some friction tape on ends of brake levers. Pretty pumped.

[beaterdit]

Looks sick. I wanted a Canfield so bad after demoing a Revel Rail a few years back. Bottle in the front triangle is a requirement for me though...

It is kind of a bummer. Figured it out for myself three bikes ago and now I don't mind. Those Revels look pretty sweet, and fit a bottle. The CBF is magical.

[BigHerm]

I am far too reckless and it is too rocky here for me to be riding carbon anything. Just scraped my seatstay yesterday, don't care.

Enjoy your CBF!

[XXX-er]

I have been wrapping my last 3 bikes with a 25$ roll of 3M film, so what I have found happens on my Bullit is the 3M film will get scraped off but the paint is not touched

[Robik]

Finally built it the way I wanted. Started as pre-owned Gnarvana size 4. I swapped suspension for Mezzer Pro/Mara Pro, brakes for Dominion A4, 5dev cranks with Absolute Black Oval 30t chainring (also have the same in black and 34t). I9 wheels are still fine but might grab some WAO's. The stem/bar is WAO Da Package combo, not sure how I feel about it but it's light and pretty. For those with Dominions, Wolftooth finally made a dropper lever with Hayes specific clamp. Might replace shifter/derailleur with AXS stuff.

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[SkiLyft]

Finally built it the way I wanted. Started as pre-owned Gnarvana size 4. I swapped suspension for Mezzer Pro/Mara Pro, brakes for Dominion A4, 5dev cranks with Absolute Black Oval 30t chainring (also have the same in black and 34t). I9 wheels are still fine but might grab some WAO's. The stem/bar is WAO Da Package combo, not sure how I feel about it but it's light and pretty. For those with Dominions, Wolftooth finally made a dropper lever with Hayes specific clamp. Might replace shifter/derailleur with AXS stuff.

Sick sled,

Can confirm; despite i9 305s being a nice wheel. WAOs are so much more laterally rigid and just blow away the 305s when tracking through chunk. That said I f you’re hoping to save weight. They are basically the same.



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[carlh]

I bought Marshall’s s4 gnarvana and never road the 305s but I think they were lighter than my wao unions.
How do you like the mara on the back? I have an x2 but planning for it to blow up since it seems like they all do. Was leaning coil but it’s nice to have a light bike for a change after my v1 allow sentinel.

Finally built it the way I wanted. Started as pre-owned Gnarvana size 4. I swapped suspension for Mezzer Pro/Mara Pro, brakes for Dominion A4, 5dev cranks with Absolute Black Oval 30t chainring (also have the same in black and 34t). I9 wheels are still fine but might grab some WAO's. The stem/bar is WAO Da Package combo, not sure how I feel about it but it's light and pretty. For those with Dominions, Wolftooth finally made a dropper lever with Hayes specific clamp. Might replace shifter/derailleur with AXS stuff.

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[Robik]

I bought Marshall’s s4 gnarvana and never road the 305s but I think they were lighter than my wao unions.
How do you like the mara on the back? I have an x2 but planning for it to blow up since it seems like they all do. Was leaning coil but it’s nice to have a light bike for a change after my v1 allow sentinel.

I'm going to ride it tomorrow but from my initial shake down lap around the block it feels very active in party mode. Work mode should be nice on a techy climbs since it doesn't completely lock out but makes a good firm platform.

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[Boissal]

Finally built it the way I wanted. Started as pre-owned Gnarvana size 4. I swapped suspension for Mezzer Pro/Mara Pro, brakes for Dominion A4, 5dev cranks with Absolute Black Oval 30t chainring (also have the same in black and 34t). I9 wheels are still fine but might grab some WAO's. The stem/bar is WAO Da Package combo, not sure how I feel about it but it's light and pretty. For those with Dominions, Wolftooth finally made a dropper lever with Hayes specific clamp. Might replace shifter/derailleur with AXS stuff.

Sweet build, pretty close to what I'm running except for the shock (I do have a MaraPro for the bike but have been running it with the coil) and wheels. I had the adapter for the remote and ended up going back to a bar clamp as I couldn't get the paddle where I wanted it. Same for the shifter. I now have 4 clamps on my bar and fully expect people to pass out at the sight of my hideously cluttered cockpit, especially when combined with the fat-looking heatube that comes from running the bike in the short position.
Re: MaraPro, I honestly never touch the lockout on the one I was running on my previous bike. The shock is plenty supportive wide open and I end up feeling like I lose traction more often when it's locked.

More to the point of this thread, I got this 2019 Diverge off byates1' hands a couple months ago when he was clearing his storage unit:



Bought it mostly to putz around the neighborhood and tow the kid in her trailer as I gave up road biking 5 or 6 years ago and am not super interested in gravel. As fate would have it, I destroyed my shoulder not long after the bike arrived and have to be off the MTB for a while. I hoped on the little bike out of desperation and have been enjoying the shit out of it, forgot how fun it is to cover lots of miles at speed. There are some plush gravel roads to explore in the Uintas (the one in the pic above not included) and it's helped me keep my sanity so far, although descending anything on that rig is shit-your-pants scary!

[jackstraw]

I didn't realize how much faster a bike could be. Well, I guess I never really cared to think about it. I've been riding Bronsons '19 & '22mx and a Hightower '16. I have a Blur Trail now.

My two Blur rides are my two fastest by 10sec on a 2 minute long .33 mile segment. It's a trail I built and I have 46 rides according to Strava. I'm not biking as much as typical, so I'm not as bike fit. It's crazy how efficient this bike is.

[jackattack]

There are some plush gravel roads to explore in the Uintas (the one in the pic above not included) and it's helped me keep my sanity so far, although descending anything on that rig is shit-your-pants scary!

S&M? Spent a lot of time up the Weber in Holliday Park as a kid.

[Boissal]

S&M? Spent a lot of time up the Weber in Holliday Park as a kid.

Indeed. SM and the road that goes through 1000Peaks ranch. Way nice up that way, much quieter that the rest of the Uintas.

[Tailwind]

Got some used We Are One Unions today. It’s silly how smooth they are.

Compared to the old aluminum wheels the whole bike feels more composed, quieter, smoother and like you let 5 psi out of the tires.

I have not had this experience with other carbon wheels.

Fully sold. Already shopping sets for my other bikes.

[climberevan]

Before you get too excited, verify that the other (much more important) variables are kept constant. Are the rims the same internal width? Same tires? Same pressure?

I like carbon wheels and we have 5 sets of them, but they are not "damp" and do not flex vertically. If a mtb wheel flexed enough to feel it would buckle. Even enough movement to fully detension a spoke (less than 1mm) would quickly result in a fatigue failure of the spoke or nipple.

If you're not convinced by the above, please explain how the mechanics of your felt imoressions work. Remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.

[Roxtar]

Before you get too excited, verify that the other (much more important) variables are kept constant. Are the rims the same internal width? Same tires? Same pressure?

I like carbon wheels and we have 5 sets of them, but they are not "damp" and do not flex vertically. If a mtb wheel flexed enough to feel it would buckle. Even enough movement to fully detension a spoke (less than 1mm) would quickly result in a fatigue failure of the spoke or nipple.

If you're not convinced by the above, please explain how the mechanics of your felt impressions work. Remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.

The only place I would, not really disagree, but suggest more discussion would be the use of fusion fiber rims. They seem to have a softer, damper, more vertically compliant feeling. At least so I'm told.
That said, We Are One doesn't use fusion fiber.

[Tailwind]

Wait I thought this thread was for being stoked on new gear?

Joking aside:
Rim width = same

Tires = almost the same. Assegai front for both. Swapped to a dissector rear from the aggressor on the old wheels.

Pressure = same. Using the same handheld gauge. Checked when I was done with the ride to confirm I hadn’t lost pressure.

Trails = my standard 3x per week loop I know well.

I went from some cheap dt swiss m1900’s to Unions with Cx Ray spokes. I do think there is a ride feel difference that I wasn’t expecting so I don’t think it’s full placebo. I’ve had other carbon wheels but none that made the bike feel this quiet/smooth. Often they feel stiff and a bit ‘pingy’. I’d guess this is similar to what people talk about with the revel wheel and it’s likely a combination of the rim/spokes. Riding desert chunk/chunder so it’s likely extra evident.

Regarding your question of mechanics… my theory would be the wheel / spoke combo is transmitting less feedback in the form of vibrations / small bump chatter. My understanding is that carbon can be tuned a lot of different ways and fancy spokes have slightly different ride properties.

Before you get too excited, verify that the other (much more important) variables are kept constant. Are the rims the same internal width? Same tires? Same pressure?

I like carbon wheels and we have 5 sets of them, but they are not "damp" and do not flex vertically. If a mtb wheel flexed enough to feel it would buckle. Even enough movement to fully detension a spoke (less than 1mm) would quickly result in a fatigue failure of the spoke or nipple.

If you're not convinced by the above, please explain how the mechanics of your felt imoressions work. Remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.

[Eluder]

The parts bin was too full of new shit so I built a new kid puller and town bike. Only bought spokes, rims and the frameset… I mean I guess I paid for the other shit one way or another

[Roxtar]

Wait I thought this thread was for being stoked on new gear?

We did kinda harsh your buzz, didn't we.
Sorry, our bad.
Congrats on the new wheels.

[jackstraw]

Before you get too excited, verify that the other (much more important) variables are kept constant. Are the rims the same internal width? Same tires? Same pressure?

I like carbon wheels and we have 5 sets of them, but they are not "damp" and do not flex vertically. If a mtb wheel flexed enough to feel it would buckle. Even enough movement to fully detension a spoke (less than 1mm) would quickly result in a fatigue failure of the spoke or nipple.

If you're not convinced by the above, please explain how the mechanics of your felt imoressions work. Remember, the plural of anecdote is not data.

5 sets of what brand(s). All carbon wheels are not created equally now are they...especially 10 yr old models.

Quick article on the WAOU's sound pretty nice. And they're Canadian! That's a win right there!

And shit, upgrading your wheelset/hub is the best upgrade you can make. Hats off to anyone who spends the $$$ to do so.

[beaterdit]

WAO rims they have vertical compliance engineered into them and that's one of the selling points. Same with their bars. Both are very comfy for this guy. I'm sure I can feel that in the wheels compared to the Reynolds Black Labels on my last bike. They feel a lot more damp, even before I got the bars, which kind of sold me on those too. They've got data to back it up and plenty of reviews out there agree.

It isn't new, Spank's been doing it on their alloy rims for a bit. Prolly others too.

[climberevan]

WAO rims they have vertical compliance engineered into them and that's one of the selling points. {Blah blah they feel compliant etc...} They've got data to back it up and plenty of reviews out there agree.

It isn't new, Spank's been doing it on their alloy rims for a bit. Prolly others too.

I looked a bit and couldn't find any actual data or real testing to support the lack of radial stiffness claimed by WAO and others. There are myriad videos showing an anvil hitting a rim and deflecting it quite a bit without breakage (great for occasional huge impacts). These videos also demonstrate how the spokes are completely de-tensioned, which WILL result in spoke or nipple failure if it happens often.

Please feel free to link to real engineering data that supports the manufacturers' claims. If WAO has "data to back it up" it must be pretty hidden on their website.

Again, for those in the back, I like carbon wheels and recommend that people buy them. But that's because one can build a nice wide rim that is also light and durable out of carbon, not because of anecdotes about stiffness or lack thereof.