Official ATK Binding Thread

[galibier_numero_un]

Question for Thom but perhaps anyone else. I searched but can't find an answer. Why is the ATK toe called a "DIN' toe? The only tech binding with DIN is Shift.

Is it ATKs own documents? I can't find a ref

That's my understanding as well, Lee, although I can't recall if the Vipec/Tecton is responsible for yet another new standard.

I've been searching for references as well. It seems rather odd that they'd use the term 'DIN'.

I thought they should use RV so as to not convey the level of release reliability that an alpine binder has.

I'll bet @gregL knows ;-)

... Thom

[cat in january]

I think a good number of alpine touring bindings meet a different standard from alpine bindings.

See TUV certified in the following link
https://www.switchbacktravel.com/bes...bindings#table

[skt07]

I don't see "DIN" mentioned anywhere on ATK's page for the FR15 Evo. They only mention "adjustable release values".

https://atkbindings.com/en/products/freeraider-15

"The adjustable settings of the heel release are now available for the toe piece! The new toes by ATK Bindings feature the adjustable release values that, combined with the heel piece adjustment, delivers top class stability and a more precise release."

EDIT: I mentioned Tectons in my post which might have confused things. Tectons do claim to have valid and testable DIN values.

[twoturn]

Agreed! I have the 16's though and have them set either at 11 for daily or 16 for rowdy. I'm 210# and strong. no heel issues ever. Buddy skis the 12's and he is 180# and has them on 10 with no issues.

[galibier_numero_un]

I don't see "DIN" mentioned anywhere on ATK's page for the FR15 Evo. They only mention "adjustable release values".

https://atkbindings.com/en/products/freeraider-15

"The adjustable settings of the heel release are now available for the toe piece! The new toes by ATK Bindings feature the adjustable release values that, combined with the heel piece adjustment, delivers top class stability and a more precise release."

EDIT: I mentioned Tectons in my post which might have confused things. Tectons do claim to have valid and testable DIN values.

I could swear I saw "DIN" and not "RV" on their website, when I rechecked a few weeks ago. In any case, they still make this unclear as evidenced by the number of questions and misconceptions by people who think there's a toe release with these binders.

Yes, I also recalled that there's some sort of recent, alternate DIN standard for Vipecs & Tectons.

... Thom

[frorider]

Got some C Raider 12s, and wondered why the heelpiece screws only extend 6 mm below baseplate ? Most AT bindings I’ve used penetrate into ski at least 8 or 9 mm and are bomber.

Edit: shop confirmed that Yes, ATK uses 11 mm screws (6 mm penetration) for the rear. Kinda weird decision by ATK. For peace of mind I may source longer ones.

[Westcoaster]

Got some C Raider 12s, and wondered why the heelpiece screws only extend 6 mm below baseplate ? Most AT bindings I’ve used penetrate into ski at least 8 or 9 mm and are bomber.

Edit: shop confirmed that Yes, ATK uses 11 mm screws (6 mm penetration) for the rear. Kinda weird decision by ATK. For peace of mind I may source longer ones.

That's odd, since atk standard screws are 13 and 11mm. You can order 13s easily from Europe and skimo.

[Lord Thomas]

Alright, which ATK, or branded ATK's, have the same hole pattern as an FR16? Would search this thread cept for I'm too lazy to do it and lack lot's of them search'n skillz. Enlighten me

[CaliBrit]

Alright, which ATK, or branded ATK's, have the same hole pattern as an FR16? Would search this thread cept for I'm too lazy to do it and lack lot's of them search'n skillz. Enlighten me

FR14. Or R12. Or Fgbg7947 and the new FugYahBallz18.

[frorider]

That's odd, since atk standard screws are 13 and 11mm. You can order 13s easily from Europe and skimo.

Yes the CR toe came with 13 mm screws but is a bit thicker than the heel so the penetration ain’t great there either. Skimoco confirmed that their raiders/craiders use 11 mm rear screws in the box but hopefully will always get mounted to robust topsheet skis to help counteract ATKs mysterious decision to supply short screws.

Beautifully designed bindings, nice engineering, not sure why ATK fucked up the screw length decision. There is no downside to having AT bindings securely mounted.

[AlpiNord]

On the bright side, using 2mm shorter screws sheds 2 grams of excess weight. ;-)

[Adrgha]

Am I blind, or has ATK removed the mounting template downloads from their website?

[snowseeker777]

Curious what others say here - I haven’t been able to locate templates directly from ATK either.


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[ey_allen]

ATK experienced mags: I'm looking for advice on navigating my options.

I'm grabbing a pair of Hojis for deeper BC days that will also see resort use on days with more than 6". I'd hit the resort for a bit and then skin out. I'm also expecting I'll grab these for a hut trip coming up in march that could have bigger 6k or more vert days, but most outings are usually in the 3-4k range. I'm thinking something in the 300-350 gram range to be about the max I'd want on these.

I found a good deal on C-Raiders that seem light enough but also burley. I'd run these without brakes to eliminate the fiddle factor and add the freeride spacer.

Are there other models I should consider or am I thinking of this clearly?

[stuntmanbo]

Am I blind, or has ATK removed the mounting template downloads from their website?

You can still use archive.org

https://web.archive.org/web/20230531...n/downloads-2/

[stuntmanbo]

Am I blind, or has ATK removed the mounting template downloads from their website?

You can still use archive.org

https://web.archive.org/web/20230531...n/downloads-2/

[Jason4]

ATK experienced mags: I'm looking for advice on navigating my options.

I'm grabbing a pair of Hojis for deeper BC days that will also see resort use on days with more than 6". I'd hit the resort for a bit and then skin out. I'm also expecting I'll grab these for a hut trip coming up in march that could have bigger 6k or more vert days, but most outings are usually in the 3-4k range. I'm thinking something in the 300-350 gram range to be about the max I'd want on these.

I found a good deal on C-Raiders that seem light enough but also burley. I'd run these without brakes to eliminate the fiddle factor and add the freeride spacer.

Are there other models I should consider or am I thinking of this clearly?

If you're sure you'll run them without brakes I'd check the euro shops for the Haute Route 10 Plus to see how it compares to your "good deal". For similar use in the PNW I have Raiders on my skis and bought my wife Raider Evos, I think the C-Raiders would do just as well.

[ey_allen]

If you're sure you'll run them without brakes I'd check the euro shops for the Haute Route 10 Plus to see how it compares to your "good deal". For similar use in the PNW I have Raiders on my skis and bought my wife Raider Evos, I think the C-Raiders would do just as well.

I scoured around, but didn't see any better deals for the feature set/weight. I grabbed a pair of C-Raider 12s from telemark-pyrenees.com for $390. Seemed too good to pass up. Plus they are orange so they'll be matchy matchy.

The Haute Route also looked good, but my main missing feature was the magnetic risers. For some reason that seems important since I'm coming from G3s with a tendency to develop floppy risers.

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

I scoured around, but didn't see any better deals for the feature set/weight. I grabbed a pair of C-Raider 12s from telemark-pyrenees.com for $390. Seemed too good to pass up. Plus they are orange so they'll be matchy matchy.

The Haute Route also looked good, but my main missing feature was the magnetic risers. For some reason that seems important since I'm coming from G3s with a tendency to develop floppy risers.

I have the Haute Route, and the risers are fine, once you know to push them down. That said, it is nowhere near the “level” of binding the Raider is: No heel elastic travel and the toes are different too. The Raiders do perform better in release testing.

Check the ramp angle before you mount, it’s pretty high, many people want shims for the Raider toes.

[ey_allen]

I have the Haute Route, and the risers are fine, once you know to push them down. That said, it is nowhere near the “level” of binding the Raider is: No heel elastic travel and the toes are different too. The Raiders do perform better in release testing.

Check the ramp angle before you mount, it’s pretty high, many people want shims for the Raider toes.

Thanks. Thats good to know. I'm still new to this whole ATK business, but the CR12s seemed like a decent option for the occasional use in the resort over the lighter weight options. They still clock in lighter than my G3s.

I didn't realize the ramp was so high. I'll likely mount as is as I'm not typically sensitive to this, but may play around with shims as needed. I actually added some forward lean to my boots with the G3s fairly flat mount, so maybe I will undo that for the ATKs.

[Adrgha]

You can still use archive.org

https://web.archive.org/web/20230531...n/downloads-2/

Thanks, but half of the download links don't work, including the one I need (C-raider). I did however find a template at Hagans website. Will check later if the holes line up.

Does anyone know why they pulled the plug on downloadable templates? I always found it cool that they offered that directly to the consumer.

[kid-kapow]

my bad if this a dumb question, but what release values to people ski with in the heels compared to their regular alpine setups?

I have a pair of R12 heels w/ Freeride spacers mounted on a pair of Rossi SenderFree 110s. I find that I can pop out of the heel when it is adjusted to my normal din at 8 while doing hard carves in the resort (to dial in the setup before taking them to the backcountry). I run them with Vario.2 toes that have yet to let me down.

I increased the settings to 9 without any significant change, and will try 10 today. Obviously going up is not ideal - the idea is not to book a round trip to the ER, yet I also need to be able to trust that I stay in the bindings at mach schnell doing big arcs.

It could of course be that the upright stance heel turning that the SF110 is so fond of is not ideally suited to tech heels, at least at the usual din.

[sb]

Are those very soft skis?

Sounds like you could be flexing the ski farther than the binding elasticity, 12mm if i recall correctly.

Seems unlikely tho.

I like to do hard carves on my alpine set ups.

Maybe inspect the mounts and how the boots fit?

Which boot are you using btw?

[ey_allen]

Thanks, but half of the download links don't work, including the one I need (C-raider). I did however find a template at Hagans website. Will check later if the holes line up.

Does anyone know why they pulled the plug on downloadable templates? I always found it cool that they offered that directly to the consumer.

Let me know what you find. I’ll be mounting some c-raiders up soon.

[Pins and Skins]

I'm not sure how legit Gear.com is, but they seem to sell Hagan stuff on behalf of Hagan itself. Right now, the website has 20% off which means you can get the rare ATK jig for 20% off! Per Hagan's website, there are 4 left, so I'm sure they'll all be gone soon...

https://gear.com/products/atk-m06-mo...c5310b36&_ss=r