Official ATK Binding Thread

[Benneke10]

In stock and already on sale at Oliunid https://www.oliunid.com/atk-raider-1...-bindings.html

Wow, Oliunid always delivers! I reached out to ATK a few months ago and they said they wouldn't be available till February so cool to see they're ahead of schedule. Lame that the brakes look integrated.

[dcpnz]

Isn’t it kind of weird that ATK stock images of the EVO models show brakes up but heel pins forward - I thought the whole thing with new brake design was it worked like everyone else’s and relied on heel rotation to lock up brake in touring mode.

But then again maybe I just dont understand what this means and what is innovative about a system used on tech bindings for decades

AUTOMATIC BRAKE SYSTEM: an extraordinarily innovative system that eliminates any action for activating the rear skibrake. The mechanism is set fully automatically and, when switching from uphill to downhill mode, the skibrake is activated without the need for any additional activity.

I thought the front brake was innovative but apparently didn’t catch on. This … not so much.

[Pins and Skins]

And also, auto/integrated brakes mean more moving parts --> generally not good for tech bindings. You can see a scenario where something freezes over or breaks, and as a result, the brakes don't retract or release

Isn’t it kind of weird that ATK stock images of the EVO models show brakes up but heel pins forward - I thought the whole thing with new brake design was it worked like everyone else’s and relied on heel rotation to lock up brake in touring mode.

But then again maybe I just dont understand what this means and what is innovative about a system used on tech bindings for decades



I thought the front brake was innovative but apparently didn’t catch on. This … not so much.

[flip]

Search didn't turn up "gapless" in this thread so apologies if this is a repeat question. Has anyone tried running their ATKs, specifically the raider heel with no gap or sub 1mm? Seems like the heel has the travel to do it, so I'm wondering why ATK still specs a 4mm gap and what the consequences of ignoring that?

[Benneke10]

Search didn't turn up "gapless" in this thread so apologies if this is a repeat question. Has anyone tried running their ATKs, specifically the raider heel with no gap or sub 1mm? Seems like the heel has the travel to do it, so I'm wondering why ATK still specs a 4mm gap and what the consequences of ignoring that?

ATK says that the Cam system - which has parallel pins that move perpendicularly - eliminates the need for gapless with comparable performance. I wouldn't run them gapless, it would probably be much more difficult to release than intented.

[grinch]

Ill gladly exept the extra travel before you hit the brick. Seems like a design feature

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[Pins and Skins]

Bob's Leisure is now carrying the entire EVO line

https://www.bobleisure.com/listing/m...pplier/295?p=1

[iac27]

Do free ride spacers al09 work on Rt10 s? I know it says it doesn’t but the DPS r10 looks like it does work with the spacer. These look like rt10’s hence my question.
https://escaperoute.ca/products/dps-r10-bindings

[Pins and Skins]

ATK's own website says AL09s do not work with the normal RT10s, but your link says otherwise! Maybe best to email DPS?

For the new RT10 EVO, you would need the new AL13 spacer: https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo...spacer-al13-3/

Do free ride spacers al09 work on Rt10 s? I know it says it doesn’t but the DPS r10 looks like it does work with the spacer. These look like rt10’s hence my question.
https://escaperoute.ca/products/dps-r10-bindings

[dcpnz]

ATK's own website says AL09s do not work with the normal RT10s, but your link says otherwise! Maybe best to email DPS?

For the new RT10 EVO, you would need the new AL13 spacer: https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo...spacer-al13-3/

DPS RT10 =/= RT10 EVO

Unless I’m mistaken aren’t they more like Haute Route 10 with the old push button brake. In that case maybe they do work with the old spacer not the new one.
Gawd ATK’s line up is confusing

[Pins and Skins]

The DPS RT10 is equivalent to the original RT10 from ATK (https://www.atkbindings.com/en/prodo...g-en/rt-10-en/)

The RT10 EVO is different due to its new riser design and auto brakes.

It seems the AL09 brakes will work with the original RT10s (DPS or ATK) per iac27's link.

DPS RT10 =/= RT10 EVO

Unless I’m mistaken aren’t they more like Haute Route 10 with the old push button brake. In that case maybe they do work with the old spacer not the new one.
Gawd ATK’s line up is confusing

[Westcoaster]

DPS RT10 =/= RT10 EVO

Unless I’m mistaken aren’t they more like Haute Route 10 with the old push button brake. In that case maybe they do work with the old spacer not the new one.
Gawd ATK’s line up is confusing

They really need to consolidate the product line, it makes zero sense.

[Jongle]

I'm pretty sure the AL09 spacers don't work with the regular (non-EVO, non-DPS) R10s. I was fiddling with a pair of R10s and AL09 spacers a few weeks back, and I'm 99% sure they were incompatible.

[plugboots]

Choice is bad? Most of us have figured out their line, it’s not difficult.

[Westcoaster]

Choice is bad? Most of us have figured out their line, it’s not difficult.

I'm very familiar with their product line, that doesn't change the fact that producing dozens of slightly different models doesn't serve anyone, least of which the consumer.

[plugboots]

I still don’t get your point. As a consumer I can stay within one brand and get an ultralight binding or a heavier free ride binding and anything in between, including color choices.
If that’s confusing just go to one of their private label lines like BD or whatever, as they have narrowed the product line for you.
It’s like Costco they don’t carry every single Sharp TV they just carry a couple, BD is like Costco.

[iac27]

I'm pretty sure the AL09 spacers don't work with the regular (non-EVO, non-DPS) R10s. I was fiddling with a pair of R10s and AL09 spacers a few weeks back, and I'm 99% sure they were incompatible.

Thanks for this!

[iac27]

I think I solved it. Last year's R10 didn't have the spacer but as per skimo.co "Update 2022/23: DPS is now including a toe shim to increase the toe height and an attachable stomp pad to reduce the space under the heel of the boot." which means they're the RT10 EVO. There was a review on last year's R10 (https://offpistemag.com/dps-r10-tech-binding/) that didn't mention anything about a stomp pad. Voila!

[Westcoaster]

I'm pretty sure the AL09 spacers don't work with the regular (non-EVO, non-DPS) R10s. I was fiddling with a pair of R10s and AL09 spacers a few weeks back, and I'm 99% sure they were incompatible.

This is my point. There is no need for it to be this in complicated. Besides, big varying BOMs do wonders for quality, don't they?

[cat in january]

Remember to lube your heels prior to the new season

[Jongle]

This is my point. There is no need for it to be this in complicated. Besides, big varying BOMs do wonders for quality, don't they?

100% agree, ATK’s lineup would benefit from some consolidation. I’m a gear nerd (like most people reading this), and I struggle to understand the difference between the feature sets and value propositions for the RT vs. Crest lines (for example). Any other company would collapse them into a single product line. Just my opinion as an armchair product manager…

[jacob_dbu]

Remember to lube your heels prior to the new season

Tell me about this, I'm only used to lubing something else

[kamtron]

A question that's probably been asked before:
I've got a pair of Trofeo Plus 10 sitting around that I was planning to mount on a volcano ski. Now I'm looking to put something on my new pow skis (Hyperchargers) that will probably get skied a bit harder with bigger boots, and am considering using the Trofeo rather than a binding with some heel flex compensation (Marker alpinist or Kuluar or something). The past couple years I've used Dynafit rotations and dug the smoothness of the kiss gap with flex, but the weight is overkill.

I don't get much air unless conditions are soft, and I'd say I only go "medium" fast when it's firm. I ski in the PNW and weight about 180 lbs. Do you think I'm going to blow up the Trofeos using them on my bigger skis?

From what I read, prerelease is not as bad as with Dynafits and durability is good except for a couple random toe pins falling out. Just wondering what the hive mind thinks.

[dub_xion]

Anyone know of a shop in NM (ABQ/SF, preferably) that mounts or otherwise has ATK/BD jigs?

[riff]

A question that's probably been asked before:
I've got a pair of Trofeo Plus 10 sitting around that I was planning to mount on a volcano ski. Now I'm looking to put something on my new pow skis (Hyperchargers) that will probably get skied a bit harder with bigger boots, and am considering using the Trofeo rather than a binding with some heel flex compensation (Marker alpinist or Kuluar or something). The past couple years I've used Dynafit rotations and dug the smoothness of the kiss gap with flex, but the weight is overkill.

I don't get much air unless conditions are soft, and I'd say I only go "medium" fast when it's firm. I ski in the PNW and weight about 180 lbs. Do you think I'm going to blow up the Trofeos using them on my bigger skis?

From what I read, prerelease is not as bad as with Dynafits and durability is good except for a couple random toe pins falling out. Just wondering what the hive mind thinks.

I’m 180, ski in the PNW medium fast, only catch air on pow days, and have Trofeos on a pair of 90mm and 108 skis- maybe i can help, maybe I’ll make the decision harder.

On the skinny skis I have no problems; on the wider ones I’ve had enough startling prereleases to ski with toes locked most of the time now. I think the toe spring pressure just isn’t very high, anecdotally. I also had a toe arm pivot pin walk loose a few times and had them fixed by BD under warranty. I’ve been debating finding a pair of MTNs for the big skis, as I’ve got a better track record with them.

In short, you may not physically damage the bindings, but you might lose confidence in skiing medium hard on a wider ski.


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