Official ATK Binding Thread

[snowaddict91]

I picked up a pair of the older front brake Hagan Cores this fall off another mag. I haven't exactly put them through the ringer yet, but I have 10 days or so on then so far and I dig them. Sure you have to lock the brakes up, but its way easier than dealing with a Dynafit rad heel brake.

[Spyderjon]

Toe shim for the Raider 10/12, C-Raider 12 and the Freeraider 14/16 models coming in 21/22. Don't know the exact thickness yet or if there'll be a choice of thicknesses.

[Spyderjon]

Pic of the 21/22 Freeraider 14 showing the new non patent infringing toe mounting pattern on the new Freeraider 16, the Freeraider 14, the C-Raider 12, the various Raider 12's, the Raider 10, the Release 10, the Candy 5, the Front 12 and the Front 9.

[CaliBrit]

Pic of the 21/22 Freeraider 14 showing the new non patent infringing toe mounting pattern on the new Freeraider 16, the Freeraider 14, the C-Raider 12, the various Raider 12's, the Raider 10, the Front 12 and the Front 9.

So the M06 jig, new last year will no longer mount any of these? Or do they use a different hole set? If the former this is a truly Italian state of affairs.

[Spyderjon]

So the M06 jig, new last year will no longer mount any of these? Or do they use a different hole set? If the former this is a truly Italian state of affairs.

As detailed in my post #551: The rear toe holes and the heel holes are unchanged. This means that the new toes will use the P1-P1-H1-H1 locations on the M06 jig. The new models will have an X prefix on the model number to identify them plus a large warning sticker on the box. Anyone that has an M07 jig won't have these new holes so they can return their jig to their distributor and exchange it for the latest M06 jig for only a small upcharge charge.

[tgapp]

As detailed in my post #551: The rear toe holes and the heel holes are unchanged. This means that the new toes will use the P1-P1-H1-H1 locations on the M06 jig. The new models will have an X prefix on the model number to identify them plus a large warning sticker on the box. Anyone that has an M07 jig won't have these new holes so they can return their jig to their distributor and exchange it for the latest M06 jig for only a small upcharge charge.

Thanks SJ. Your knowledge is always super appreciated.

Any chance that you still have some of the old toe piece bindings kicking around? I feel like I should hoard a couple release10s now that they have gone the way of the discman.

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[CaliBrit]

As detailed in my post #551: The rear toe holes and the heel holes are unchanged. This means that the new toes will use the P1-P1-H1-H1 locations on the M06 jig. The new models will have an X prefix on the model number to identify them plus a large warning sticker on the box. Anyone that has an M07 jig won't have these new holes so they can return their jig to their distributor and exchange it for the latest M06 jig for only a small upcharge charge.

Ohhh so the BRAND new jig is obsolete....

Thanks Jon!!

Can’t believe someone enforced a hole pattern patent.

[Spyderjon]

........Any chance that you still have some of the old toe piece bindings kicking around? I feel like I should hoard a couple release10s now that they have gone the way of the discman.

tgapp, Here's a pic of the toe plate on the M06 mounting jig:



Your current pattern is P3 for the front holes and H1 for the rear. The new pattern will be P1 for the front (ie the front holes from the Crest model) and H1 for the rear.

I don't have any spare toes for any of the affected models. ATK will supply individual toes (I've a number of customers who carry a spare when doing remote/expedition stuff) but I'd have to ask ATK re the availability of what will soon be the 'old' pattern toe.

However, as you can see, I've dimensioned the separation of the holes (mm) so assuming that your skis don't have any previous mounts that'd conflict then I think I'd recommend that if a replacement toe was required to simply plug the old front two holes and then go with the two new locations. It'd depend upon the construction of the ski but the old locations would still be well under the base of the binding etc. And that'd save you the $ for a toe binding that (hopefully) you'd never use.

[timmaio]

New for 21/22 - ATK Freeraider 16 (9-16 din)

What other models? I heard they are making a very low RV binding. Any beta on that? Any catalogs out there yet?

[jacob_dbu]

I can't believe you can patent a mounting pattern...

[stuntmanbo]

What other models? I heard they are making a very low RV binding. Any beta on that? Any catalogs out there yet?

This one is already available, 1.5 / 5
https://www.sport-conrad.com/en/prod...k/candy-5.html

Length adjustment of 50mm is a nice touch for growing up kids.

[stuntmanbo]

I can't believe you can patent a mounting pattern...

Yes it’s crazy, I wonder who attacked them ...

[Tjaardbreeuwer]

This one is already available, 1.5 / 5
https://www.sport-conrad.com/en/prod...k/candy-5.html

Length adjustment of 50mm is a nice touch for growing up kids.

That is awesome! I got my 10 year old the Crest 8 this season, it has been great for her. Plus, I figure, I won’t have to buy her new AT bindings ever..
But for smaller kids, it was still on the higher side, and the price on this one is great too.

The inclusion of the extra long adjustment plate I think would not be for growing kids so much (I think if they grow 5 boot sizes, you also need new skis...) but more for different kids, like resale or rental/club use.

How does the listed 50mm riser work? The heel looks just like the Crest heel, but no flaps.

[stuntmanbo]

How does the listed 50mm riser work? The heel looks just like the Crest heel, but no flaps.

Good question

[Westcoaster]

I dont know of any other company with that pattern. Anyone with some time want to figure out who had patented it? I want to steer clear of such litigious assholes.

[Melee]

I dont know of any other company with that pattern. Anyone with some time want to figure out who had patented it? I want to steer clear of such litigious assholes.

Dynafit.

[fleaches]

Dynafit.

Impeding progress in tech bindings since 1990...

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[tgapp]

Impeding progress in tech bindings since 1990...

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also about the same time dynafit made a binding i was actually interested in owning or skiing

[Spyderjon]

I can't believe you can patent a mounting pattern...

Unfortunately you can. I don't know how they managed it but they did. A friend visited Daimir Fritschi a number of years ago and apparently they said they were also restricted by an existing patent(s) on their mounting pattern. When you look at Amers solution for their height adjustable AFD on the Shift it wouldn't surprise me if it was a Marker Tour/ID patent workaround.

The patent that has caused the problem for ATK is only valid in some of their geographical markets (I don't know which ones) but for obvious reasons they only want to have one version of each model worldwide. ATK have been amking bindings since 2007 so they must've been aware of the patent so I'm presuming they were manufacturing under the assumption that some licensing agreement would be made which then fell through.

[retirwntm]

Dynafit has continued to disappoint since they lost the original patent and other companies have made much better products and better new technologies. Maybe this was part of Salewa since they are now the owners.


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[Benneke10]

Under Salewa ownership they appear to put more effort into brightly colored clothing than any kind of binding innovation

[retirwntm]

They also put way more effort into refusing to warranty lots of dynafit products in my experience. Part of why I moved on from dynafit years ago.


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[galibier_numero_un]

That patent claim would have been a perfect opportunity for other manufacturers to get together and establish a tech mount standard (at least for toes).

As @Spyderjon noted, folks on long trips may carry a spare binding and just like the old daze when Dynafiddle was the only game in town, a group would have a better chance of sharing the load, knowing that binder mounts were interchangeable.

Oh well ...

Thom

[jacob_dbu]

Will the Moment Voyager get the new mount pattern too I wonder?

[CaliBrit]

That patent claim would have been a perfect opportunity for other manufacturers to get together and establish a tech mount standard (at least for toes).

As @Spyderjon noted, folks on long trips may carry a spare binding and just like the old daze when Dynafiddle was the only game in town, a group would have a better chance of sharing the load, knowing that binder mounts were interchangeable.

Oh well ...

Thom

Really can’t believe a drill template standard hasn’t been established for both tech and alpine. 100% against the interests of the consumer.