Official ATK Binding Thread

[flatland]

Cross-posting from the big-guy touring thread to get a few more eyes on it:

Anyone have a proper big guy comparison on ATK Freeraiders/Moment Voyagers vs. CAST? Obviously very, very different setups but I'm intrigued by the idea of having at least one lighter touring ski with ATK's as opposed to running my current multiple skis with CAST.

I've been generally happy with CAST after coming from dukes (bad at everything) and shifts (pre-release issues), but would love to get away from the CAST changeover faff, brakes popping down, carrying toe pieces, etc. - particularly on longer days without a lift or sled assist.

I'm looking specifically for any experiences from bigger guys skiing more aggressively and/or hucking. I'm ~215lbs and a typical day of touring does usually include a few consequential pillow lines and/or a few 20'-30' hucks (albeit with soft landings). I've run pivots on DIN 12 for a decade plus with zero issues but it's not like I need to run 16+, so I'm well aware that I'm not that rad. Am I going to be sorely disappointed going to ATKs, pre-release everywhere, and brake my shit in a season or do I just need to accept that I'm slowly wearing down and don't actually need pivots everywhere?

[Westcoaster]

Cross-posting from the big-guy touring thread to get a few more eyes on it:

Anyone have a proper big guy comparison on ATK Freeraiders/Moment Voyagers vs. CAST? Obviously very, very different setups but I'm intrigued by the idea of having at least one lighter touring ski with ATK's as opposed to running my current multiple skis with CAST.

I've been generally happy with CAST after coming from dukes (bad at everything) and shifts (pre-release issues), but would love to get away from the CAST changeover faff, brakes popping down, carrying toe pieces, etc. - particularly on longer days without a lift or sled assist.

I'm looking specifically for any experiences from bigger guys skiing more aggressively and/or hucking. I'm ~215lbs and a typical day of touring does usually include a few consequential pillow lines and/or a few 20'-30' hucks (albeit with soft landings). I've run pivots on DIN 12 for a decade plus with zero issues but it's not like I need to run 16+, so I'm well aware that I'm not that rad. Am I going to be sorely disappointed going to ATKs, pre-release everywhere, and brake my shit in a season or do I just need to accept that I'm slowly wearing down and don't actually need pivots everywhere?

You'll break yourself or a binding skiing pin bindings like that at 215#.

[flatland]

You'll break yourself or a binding skiing pin bindings like that at 215#.

This is actually the exact answer I needed from the internet this morning to save me $1000.

[AlpiNord]

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Yes:

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When making the ATK SlideWright Binding Layout Tool, I combined multiple ATK templates to generate the layout for the above ATK flavors (bottom of image). If you'd like the basis template for the layout tool, let me know and I'll clean it up.

[Irlts]

FR 14 still available for about $440. This is the previous model with the push button brake release. The new Evo model does away with the button.

https://www.oliunid.com/atk-fr14-ski...34=11238&92=28

Is the evo without the brake release button worth it? I must admit seeing that brake button feature in a YouTube video was less than appealing.

[Benneke10]

Is the evo without the brake release button worth it? I must admit seeing that brake button feature in a YouTube video was less than appealing.

If you care about the brakes you should get the new version. The button version that all ATK bindings had until the new Evos came out this year are super light but can be annoying to use.

[dub_xion]

… would love to get away from the CAST changeover faff, brakes popping down, carrying toe pieces, etc. - particularly on longer days without a lift or sled assist.

Start touring with splitboarders and that frustration will be mitigated /s

[Jason4]

Start touring with splitboarders and that frustration will be mitigated /s

I've had less problems with my Phantom bindings in 8 years of use than I've had with skiers transitions with CAST or Shifts in a season. I'm always ready to help my partners finish fiddling with their tech bindings after I'm done with my split transition.

The only problem I've had with ATK with the previous version of Raider brakes was forgetting to release the brakes when I'm skiing. Without the freeride pads I could whack the button with my pole but I haven't been able to get it with the pads in place.

[dcpnz]

If you care about the brakes you should get the new version. The button version that all ATK bindings had until the new Evos came out this year are super light but can be annoying to use.

Anyone know details on the new AP version of the Raider and C-Raider?
Looks like old bindings with some variation of new brakes without the button
Little bit lighter than EVO (comparing 12 vs 13)

[kamtron]

This is actually the exact answer I needed from the internet this morning to save me $1000.

On actually soft snow, you should be able to get away with some pretty big airs on a heavier-duty pin setup (like the Freeraider or Alpinist, Plum Yak, ). Maybe get yourself one for when you want to go for a long walk, and save the CAST for the huck fests. Pin bindings are quite strong. Just my 2 cents.

Breaking yourself is another question....

[kamtron]

This is actually the exact answer I needed from the internet this morning to save me $1000.

Oh I'd also add that the Dynafit Rotation binding, while heavy and fiddly, worked for me quite well for a few seasons. Good retention in all conditions let me ski without ever locking the toe, elastic, probably safer than other pin bindings. You might like that one. I'm 6'1" and 180 lbs, so not super heavy, but still skied these pretty darn hard.

[stuntmanbo]

Anyone know details on the new AP version of the Raider and C-Raider?
Looks like old bindings with some variation of new brakes without the button
Little bit lighter than EVO (comparing 12 vs 13)

Just asked them on IG about the difference between the AP and EVO brake system, FYI

On the AP models you need to hold down the rear pedal as you turn the head of the binding, as shown here. With the EVO Brake System there's no need for that. By rotating the head of the binding by 180 degrees, the ski brake activates. At that point, you simply step-in to lock the brake

Personally I'm fine with the old system.

Video here : https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3WHLQooEB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

xxx

[galibier_numero_un]

They continue in their effort to proliferate confusion. As I look back at post #1, and my attempt to "connect" the various mashups into some sort of logical scheme, I know why I never returned to that project. All hope is lost ;-)

Great binders, however.

... Thom

[sb]

These NG pin binders are quite capable, if you ski within reason. At 6’ and 215 lbs I have done rock hops, ie small jumps, in pow with zero issues. And this on older Dfit tech binders.

I really want to give the ATKs a try but have two sets of Dfit rotations in box waiting for skis.

[bobinch]

You'll break yourself or a binding skiing pin bindings like that at 215#.

I’m 200lbs and have the 105g World Cup binding on my matchsticks. I’ve skied those things hard on the verge of control and incredible how solid it is. I’m guessing the 400g Freeraider can take a lot of punishment!!!

[soul_skier]

Any concerns with using the freeride spacers without brakes? Looks like even when the brakes are attached the two pedestals on the outside take all the force from the boot, but wanted to check and see if I'm missing something.

[kevino]

Respectfully , that’s the point of the spacer.

[soul_skier]

Respectfully , that’s the point of the spacer.

No disrespect taken, this is my first foray into ATK bindings so the only thing i'm sure of is my ignorance. Thanks for the confirmation!

[frorider]

Ordered some freeraider 12s, curious if anyone does yo-yo pow laps without ever rotating the heel piece. I’ve grown accustomed to / spoiled by the easy pole-activated transition to flat tour mode with my Alpinists and Vipecs.

[Spyderjon]

ATK offer brake seat covers to fill the gap when the brakes are removed to stop it collecting snow/icing up.
https://www.thepisteoffice.com/index...t-cover-detail

[tang]

I'll start by admitting my soon certain death... But with a pair of Trofeo+'s in hand and a pile of BF inserts, I'm going to pull the trigger on adding Trofe heel inserts to two pairs of skis that I already have FR14 insert mounts on. The franken FR14 toe/Trofe+ heel has a reasonable 6.5mm ramp angle, wider toe pattern and only ~30 gr more than going full Trofeo+. Having both heels adds some nice optionality on weight, brakes, FR spacer. Anyway, nerdy pre-season stuff

[ASmileyFace]

I'll start by admitting my soon certain death... But with a pair of Trofeo+'s in hand and a pile of BF inserts, I'm going to pull the trigger on adding Trofe heel inserts to two pairs of skis that I already have FR14 insert mounts on. The franken FR14 toe/Trofe+ heel has a reasonable 6.5mm ramp angle, wider toe pattern and only ~30 gr more than going full Trofeo+. Having both heels adds some nice optionality on weight, brakes, FR spacer. Anyway, nerdy pre-season stuff

What two skis are you doing this on? Not to question the nerdy pre-season tinkering, but I wonder what the reasoning behind swapping heels on certain days and conditions. Wouldn't having the Trofeo on a lighter pair of sticks and FR14s on the more versatile skis be enough? How much do you save weight wise swapping heels? ~150g per ski? Is it all about having the spacer on the lighter skis some days? Or having the Raider toe with the Trofeo heel?

[tang]

Good questions!
First, it starts with just being an insert nerd and the cost just being time and $15/ski pair for inserts.

The trofeos are primarily for a pending pair of new lighter spring skis - hopefully m-vertical 88s if I can get hands on some.

I’ll be also adding the trofe heel inserts to a pair of down cd104Ls (1500 gr) and praxis gpo’s (2250 gr). The GPOs will have alpine binders and maybe just these frankens, not fr14 and Frankenstein. Haven’t actually mounted those yet.)
Reasoning is weight (yeah 150 ish per foot) and some travel versatility as these two skis is what I’ll bring on multi week bc lodge + resorts trips. GPOs for any backcountry is probably pow meadow skipping, so saving a little weight helps there, and wider toes helps on pretty wide ski.

The fr14 and trofeo are obviously pretty different but 90% of the diff is in the heels of course.

[ezgzy]

This is not atk, but i’ve been thinking about doing the same thing for kingpins and alpinists. Keep the toe the same, but have a much beefier heel available for harder skiing/occasional resort use


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[Adrgha]

Does anyone know if the AL12 toe shim fits the C-Raider 12? Or is it only for the ordinary R's and FR's? I see it has two different hole patterns.

Edit: Contacted ATK, and no, the AL12 does not fit the C-Raider. They do not have any shims that fit that toe piece.